[6bone] trace to 192.88.99.1; .au v6 connectivity

[Tom Lohdan]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2B701.50CB3460
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Dan,

There are some suppliers of IPv6 space with Australia, but considering
we still pay for bandwidth at very low traffic limits, not everyone is
willing to donated bandwidth to vanity host people. On the other hand,
people are willing to donate resources if they are going to develop
applications/services to the IPv6 community.

200ms ping times will never go away. Packets still are required to
travel large distances to EU/Asia or the USA. I'm lucky if I can break
100ms to NRT (Tokyo) from Sydney on a good day.

Domestic traffic is pretty much a waste of time, as most of the IPv6
traffic is generated out of EU/Asia.

If you would like to contact me off the list, we can discuss it further.

Thanks,
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Reeder [mailto:dan@reeder.name] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2003 10:59 PM
To: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu
Subject: [6bone] trace to 192.88.99.1; .au v6 connectivity


Hi people,
Unless I am under the wrong impression completely, it is my
understanding that 192.88.99.1 is the special 'anycast' address used for
finding the nearest 2002:: 6to4 routing gateway.

I've been doing some traces from various hosts here in .au and they all
either end up at a host in Swizerland or a host in Finland. The thing
is, I'm rather skeptical of the fact that these servers are the
'nearest' to Australia, BGP-speaking or otherwise.

Any assistance you good folks could lend me in relation to this issue
would be a great help. Is 6to4 connectivity even desired these days?

Secondly, and primarily addressed to Aussies/Kiwis/Asians, I've also got
a question with regards to the general IPv6 scene in Australia / Oceania
at the moment. As far as I am aware there are zero tunnel brokers in
this region, let alone commercial entities actively offering and
promoting customer v6 connectivity, although personally I probably
couldn't afford a netblock were it offered for a fee. I mean, as I see
it the nearest quality tunnel broker (in terms of latency) to me
(Brisbane) is he.net's pop at Los Angeles! I'm aware that Aarnet is on
it's way to developing a rather decent educationally-inclined ipv6
facility, and I can only hope they will open up a public tunnel
brokering service, however apart from them there seems to be nobody here
operating a relatively-domestic network yet, letalone an organisation
with decent trans-pacific connectivity.

So, how long do us aussies/oceanians have to put up with ordinarily
200ms+ first hops?

cheers and regards,
Dan Reeder
2001:470:1f00:510::/64
ircgate.org

_______________________________________________
6bone mailing list
6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone

------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2B701.50CB3460
Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature;
	name="smime.p7s"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename="smime.p7s"
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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2B701.50CB3460--