sTLA alloc policies [Re: [6bone] pTLA request NDSOFTWARE - review closes 23 October 2002]

[Pekka Savola]

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Carlos Morgado wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 05:36:10PM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Gert Doering wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 02:19:19PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> > > > [ RIPE rules for IPv6 address space ]
> > > > 
> > > > That's what I meant to express. They do have political reasons though.
> > > > And as most people know politics are not nice.
> > > 
> > > Partly political, but also partly technical - the multihoming issue
> > > isn't really solved yet, and have every end site have their own /32
> > > announced into the global table is not a scalable approach.
> > > 
> > > The political part is the "200 customer rule", which I personally did
> > > not like very much (it came from ARIN and APNIC), but hey, for a serious
> > > ISP that actually is connecting customers, it's not a major obstacle.
> > 
> > Speaking of which, I'd be really interested in knowing how Internet 
> > Software Consortium is going to fill the "200 customer rule":
> > 
> 
> CPR Marconi (PTComunicações now) routes about 80% of the portuguese commercial 
> internet traffic. We have an IPv4 /19 and are pretty much multihomed in
> IPv4 as any self respecting internet whole saler should be. However, after
> reading RIPE's IPv6 policies I came to the conclusion we can't request a
> block from them. "Get it from your upstream" is pretty much useless for 
> multihomed nets so we're pretty much stuck.

Looking at a looking glass, you do indeed seem to be as big as one can get 
in the country; pretty impressive.

Don't you really have (about) 200 customers, or do you only provide 
transit service?

The rules are a bit flexible..
 
> All our customers however can get /32s from RIPE as they can fill a plan
> saying "we have 250 PoPs". Soooo, our larger upstreams have IPv6 blocks,
> our *client* ISPs have IPv6 blocks but we, *their upstream*, can't get a
> block. 
> Pretty much laughable eh ?

PoP's are not important: one can have 200 customers (e.g. DSL users) in a 
single router.

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Pekka Savola                 "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
Netcore Oy                   not those you stumble over and fall"
Systems. Networks. Security.  -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords