about IPv6 PPPoE

[Christian Kuhtz]

there's a difference between a user's perspective and service
provider.  i was stating the service provider side.  bridged dsl is
grandfathered, being phased out, and all new deployment for the past
couple of years has been pppoe at the sp i'm most familiar with.  the
issues are around management and scalability of the service.

as to relevance, the issue was how you'd get native ipv6 dsl service.
you stated that bridged dsl was a great way to do it and i was trying
to tell you that it may be the case from an ipv6 perspective, but that
it is out of touch with most deployments i'm familiar with in the
industry.

anyone know how many lines of bbn are bridged dsl and are they still
actively deploying bridged dsl today?

thanks,
chris (ck@arch.bellsouth.net in my day job, but not speaking for the
company).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeroen Massar [mailto:jeroen@unfix.org]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:48 PM
> To: 'Christian Kuhtz'; 6bone@ISI.EDU
> Subject: RE: about IPv6 PPPoE
>
>
> Christian Kuhtz wrote:
>
> > bridged dsl is bad.  very bad, in fact.
> "I don't like to eat <random food>  because I don't like to
> eat it, it's
> a fact"
> And the biggest movie quote ever: "And then?" or what about
> "So what?"
>
> You could at least give some kind of hint what's so super
> bad about it.
> I only know of a _lot_ of happy users who realy are glad
> they don't have
> to use PPPoE ;)
> Fact because BBNed provides it to over 10.000 lines+,
> growing hard every
> day.
> (Nopes I don't have exact numbers, if you want them ask
> their PR people
> ;)
>
> > and the train left the station in the other direction a
> long time ago.
> "Nopes it went back and crashed into a mountain where they
> discovered
> gold"
> Any relevance please, you didn't even mention IPv6...
>
> Greets,
>  Jeroen
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-6bone@ISI.EDU
> [mailto:owner-6bone@ISI.EDU]On Behalf Of
> > > Jeroen Massar
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:00 AM
> > > To: 'Francis Dupont'; 'yjchu'
> > > Cc: 6bone@ISI.EDU
> > > Subject: RE: about IPv6 PPPoE
> > >
> > >
> > > Francis Dupont wrote:
> > >
> > > >  - IPv6 ADSL: wait for ADSL hardware vendors. It seems
> > > some complete
> > > >    solutions are already available (so someone can/would
> > > provide IPv6
> > > >    over ADSL to you).
> > >
> > > Some nice ADSL implementations use ATM bridging, thus
> > > giving you ADSL on
> > > the phoneside,
> > > and ethernet on the other, one does also see the MAC in the
> > > ARP table of
> > > the router...
> > > Hi-ho-native IPv6 ;)
> > > At least my Alcatel does this and many others are capable
> > > of doing it.
> > >
> > > Now all I have to do is convince my ADSL provider <grin>
> > >
> > > Greets,
> > >  Jeroen
>
>