[6bone] Getting ISPs to use IPv6

[Tim Chown]

Hi,

Although our university is single-homed for academic traffic, we also have
a single homed commercial link for non-academic traffic.   We have been 
fortunate that for 3-4 years since we ran this link we have had pretty much
100% uptime from the supplier.  Of course multihoming is like insurance
policies, you don't need them until you have a problem.  We would be quite
happy to pay 2,500 p.a. LIR fees if that meant we could gain an independent
block (/48, or /32 :) for IPv6 use (and IPv4).  For us, 2,500 is a small
fraction of even what we feel is a small ISP activity.   Anyone who can't
afford that must have quite a small operation(?) so I do kind of agree with
people who suggest limiting PI growth by attaching a fee.   But if that
happens we need a different solution for the small guys who can't afford
that money (but these won't be bigger than SME, single geography networks?).
And what was the count for IPv4 PI networks determined recently?  It wasn't
that large...

I'm not trying to be provocative here(!), just understand relationships,
operational sizes, etc that lead to the requirements.  

Tim

On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 01:21:05AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> Daniel Austin wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > We're in a similar position here.
> > Our company is not large enough to request a /32 from RIPE 
> > (we cant allocate 200 customers ipv6 in the next 12 months, 
> > nor can i lie to RIPE to let them believe it!)
> 
> And 200 customers is a really small figure.
> If you have 200 dailup/dsl/hosting users you are there.
> If you don't have 200 of such users you simply are not big enough.
> 
> There are some caveats though, but most RIR's won't make much fuss
> when you can explain your plans and your customerbase well enough.
> 
> Good example is NREN's who might have eg 50 universities as clients.
> But actually those 50 universities comprise of thousands of students,
> buildings, classrooms, dailup facilities etc. It's just how you
> formulate
> 'client' in this matter and the rules are not that strict at the moment.
> You might try to contact your RIR and ask them before thinking that it
> doesn't work out in the first place.
> 
> > We're not a RIPE LIR, so i cant even request it to be thrown out.
> > But we're fully multihomed on PI ipv4 space....
> > 
> > It seems there's no similar position for us in ipv6 land.
> > I have to rely on using static-routed IPv6 IP's from another 
> > provider which means i *CANT* offer a production service on ipv6....
> > but of course, this all goes back to the multihoming thread...
> 
> Who says that you can't setup private BGP peerings for 'your' /40 ?
> As long as it doesn't pop up in the global routing table that's
> perfectly fine.
> 
> Greets,
>  Jeroen
> 
> PS: before somebody starts thinking 'he is prolly big enough' well..
> I don't work for any ISP whatsoever and I am really not big enough on my
> own.
> So, just like everybody else I gotta have to rely on me paying a big ISP
> for
> some address space, but for that money they also make sure that I am
> multihomed, that they get out of bed at 05:00 to fix stuff etc ;)
> And actually that is fine with me.
> 
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