[6bone] 6bone phaseout planning announcement

[Dan Reeder]

"In other words, I don't think we should kill the 6bone before it has become
the experimental environment for mainstream ISPs, not only for the very
small set it represents today."

Originally I was going to say something along the lines of "Ah, but that is
the crux of the matter. My emails last week regarding the availability of
2002:: gateways yells at the fact that most ISPs in the world DON'T provide
any sort of v6 connectivity, commercial or otherwise, and as such the
greater their contact with v6 technologies the better."
 
But instead of coming to the conclusion that 3ffe should stay for
experimentation purposes and encouraging deployment, I then had the idea
that perhaps it is of a detriment to the adoption of v6 technologies on a
commercial basis; not only would ISPs have two protocols to deal with, but
one of those protocols would/should (that's debatable though) need to be
connected to two backbones. To me, being a young network admin yet trying to
imagine what someone in 2010 would think of today's occurrences, the thought
of having to deal with v6 at this point in time just reeks of an exercise in
needless complexity, not to mention a feeling of "let's leave it to the
university folk to sort it out".

Is there any point in having a space reserved for
experimentation/education?? Why should people be screaming bloody murder in
the near future, just because 3ffe is about to be decommissioned? Isn't it
all in the lead up to 2001:: connectivity anyway?
With regards to he 2001:: address space and operations of the v6 internet as
we know it at this point in time, I can't think of any harm that could come
about as a result of some ISP in "Neverland" having a go. Granted, the
circumstances are different, but the deployment of v4 and the operations of
the net over the last 20-odd years have been relatively fine, have they not?
Haven't we already got tools and administrative powers to curb any sort of
odd/abnormal/detrimental behaviour that may happen as a result of the world
+ dog joining up? (Feel free to debunk me on these points btw)

The sooner 3ffe:: is killed the better, I say. Force/encourage the RIRs to
offer netblocks *cheaply*.  Make the transition from v4 to v6 as simple as
possible, cheap as possible, and as logical as possible. Cowboy hats and
bandwagons aside, I know I speak for many people reading this list when I
say that I'll be damned if I have learnt (and continue to learn) what there
is to know about v6 only to have a few beers with some friends in 2010
reminiscing (read crying into my pint) about the flop that was IPv6.

Gratefully donating my AU$0.022 (inc. GST) to the conversation,
Dan Reeder

-----Original Message-----
From: 6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu] On
Behalf Of Michel Py
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2003 1:44 PM
To: Ronald van der Pol
Cc: 6bone@ISI.EDU
Subject: RE: [6bone] 6bone phaseout planning announcement

>> Michel Py wrote:
>> - I agree with Jordi here that 6 months before the sunset seems
>> a reasonable limit to me to allocate new pTLAs.

> Ronald van der Pol wrote:
> I like the phases in Bob's draft. We all know what will happen.
> On July 1, 2004 people will start screaming that 6bone allocations
> have "suddenly stopped". It will take some time before people
> start realizing that the 6bone is something that will end.
> Hopefully, with the 2004 phase it will be easier to completely end
> the 6bone in 2006.

There is some truth to that :-)

I will support the text with whatever date we come up with, but the
point I am trying to make is:

It's not because *we* might consider that we have learned all we
possibly could from the 6bone that we must generalize it. Most potential
ISPs or pTLAs have not even begun to look at IPv6 because there is no
money to make in it and no demand. Adoption of v6 is a lot longer than
anticipated 6 years ago, and the 6bone still is a niche same as IPv6.

In other words, I don't think we should kill the 6bone before it has
become the experimental environment for mainstream ISPs, not only for
the very small set it represents today.

Michel.

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