[6bone] draft minutes of the 6bone BOF at IETF-56

[Bob Fink]

Gavin.

Thanks for your note. I'll let others reply if they so choose.


Bob

At 09:29 PM 4/2/2003 +0800, Gav wrote:
>Hi Bob and all,
>
>| 6bone Folk,
>|
>| Minutes of the 6bone BOF from IETF-56 are at:
>|
>| 
><<http://6bone.net/ngtrans/minutes/index.htm>http://6bone.net/ngtrans/minutes/index.htm>
>|
>| Please send me any comments/corrections/additions.
>|
>
>I have been a list member here for a while now and every now and then pop 
>up with a question or a comment which probably shows my ignorance about 
>some of the things that are 6bone/IPv6. I will continue in that vain :0)
>
>I was just going to give my comments and be done with it, but ............ 
>a very brief background as I think it serves well not to just receive 
>comments from people, but to also know who they are coming from. You all 
>mostly know each other here but I expect you (Bob) would like comments 
>from us lesser mortals.
>     Those who want to skip the intro, page down to the arrows >>>>>>
>
>I am 32, Have been involved with computers since school days etc... My 
>last job was as a Software Technician for a group of colleges in England 
>but gave it up to move to Australia, I am now in Sales but in the process 
>of setting up my own Computer repair/upgrade/network/website etc Business. 
>I embarked on a part time study degree with the Open University (3 years 
>ago) aiming towards a named honours degree in 'IT & Computing' (obvious no 
>doubt) and have gained a diploma so far with another and the degree coming 
>next year with a bit of luck. I do have a life however and am not a geek, 
>script kiddie, techno fashion seeker or anything else you might come up 
>with, I am just interested.
>
>My interest in IPv6 was to begin with, one in which I could gain the 
>knowledge needed in order to go out and get a job with a Company that 
>provides/specializes/needs IPv6. I don't want to be a nTLA or any kind of 
>provider of IPv6 services to end users. So the issue is then - what is 
>there left in IPv6 that I can use, not a lot I think is the answer. There 
>is maybe a networking job out there from 2003 until 2007 (say) for 
>transition purposes with ISPs. Big deal, not a career prospect there, and 
>no doubt all the ISPs and Telco's/Cable providers have there own teams 
>working on it now anyway.
>
>So can someone please tell me , what is the point in my (and like) 
>learning all this stuff, I mean - I didn't need to know the ins and outs 
>of IPv4 (but I do). Is it too late for me already to participate properly 
>or is my only option to approach a nTLA/ISP.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Ok, so back to Comments on the Minutes of the Meeting . (Has a certain 
>poetic feel don't you think)
>
> >Bob said that he would paraphrase the single largest concern as 
> "…why >should the 6bone community get cheaper services than the dues 
> paying >members…?"
>
>Comment : Up to , including and for 1 year after the transition period 
>(until July 2007) I think that the participating members of the 6bone have 
>a right as collaborators on the technical issues involved to get the 
>necessary services at a reduced cost. The free time alone that members 
>have given up is evidence enough that some kind of reward should be given 
>back (never mind the voluntary costs of equipment etc).
>
> >Also, there is now the ability for the RIRs to temporarily 
> allocate >IPv6 addresses for Internet experiments.
>Comment : Who are these temporary IPv6 addresses for ?? Providers ,end 
>users or both?
>
> >Tim Chown asked why not use 06/06/06 for the kill date as it had a >nice 
> symmetry?
>
>Comment : It is also easy to remember. (And the Devil will rise from the 
>fires of Hell)
>
> >Bob Fink asked if it is better to shutdown in the summer rather 
> than  >(Xmas) holiday time? Comments seemed to say that summertime was >better.
>Comment : I don't agree . What would be the reasoning for this? 
>Considerations to think about would be for those that are still using the 
>6bone in their own spare time - so holiday times would be good for them.
>  Another consideration and perhaps the main one would be volume of 
> traffic over the internet. During holiday periods there would be a rise 
> in domestic use of the internet but should be of no concern as far as 
> IPv6 is concerned during the shutdown. During normal work time in the 
> summer there is likely to be more IPv6 traffic, will this have any 
> bearing on the shutdown, I'd have thought so. Holidays would be better IMHO.
> >Jordi Palet noted that you can get an experimental prefix from
> >RIRs, you just need an upstream provider to forward the request on >your 
> behalf.
>
>Comment : Again, please explain who is meant by 'you can'. On who's behalf 
>are we talking about here??
>
>The PowerPoint presentation from the link was good.
>
>I hope I didn't talk too much..
>
>Feedback appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Gav...
>
>(Gavin McDonald)