[6bone] draft minutes of the 6bone BOF at IETF-56
Gav
old_mc_donald@hotmail.com
Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:29:19 +0800
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Hi Bob and all,=20
| 6bone Folk,
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| Minutes of the 6bone BOF from IETF-56 are at:
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| <http://6bone.net/ngtrans/minutes/index.htm>
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| Please send me any comments/corrections/additions.
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I have been a list member here for a while now and every now and then =
pop up with a question or a comment which probably shows my ignorance =
about some of the things that are 6bone/IPv6. I will continue in that =
vain :0)
I was just going to give my comments and be done with it, but =
............ a very brief background as I think it serves well not to =
just receive comments from people, but to also know who they are coming =
from. You all mostly know each other here but I expect you (Bob) would =
like comments from us lesser mortals.=20
Those who want to skip the intro, page down to the arrows >>>>>>
I am 32, Have been involved with computers since school days etc... My =
last job was as a Software Technician for a group of colleges in England =
but gave it up to move to Australia, I am now in Sales but in the =
process of setting up my own Computer repair/upgrade/network/website etc =
Business. I embarked on a part time study degree with the Open =
University (3 years ago) aiming towards a named honours degree in 'IT & =
Computing' (obvious no doubt) and have gained a diploma so far with =
another and the degree coming next year with a bit of luck. I do have a =
life however and am not a geek, script kiddie, techno fashion seeker or =
anything else you might come up with, I am just interested.
My interest in IPv6 was to begin with, one in which I could gain the =
knowledge needed in order to go out and get a job with a Company that =
provides/specializes/needs IPv6. I don't want to be a nTLA or any kind =
of provider of IPv6 services to end users. So the issue is then - what =
is there left in IPv6 that I can use, not a lot I think is the answer. =
There is maybe a networking job out there from 2003 until 2007 (say) for =
transition purposes with ISPs. Big deal, not a career prospect there, =
and no doubt all the ISPs and Telco's/Cable providers have there own =
teams working on it now anyway.
So can someone please tell me , what is the point in my (and like) =
learning all this stuff, I mean - I didn't need to know the ins and outs =
of IPv4 (but I do). Is it too late for me already to participate =
properly or is my only option to approach a nTLA/ISP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=
>>>>
Ok, so back to Comments on the Minutes of the Meeting . (Has a certain =
poetic feel don't you think)
>Bob said that he would paraphrase the single largest concern as ".why =
>should the 6bone community get cheaper services than the dues paying =
>members.?"
Comment : Up to , including and for 1 year after the transition period =
(until July 2007) I think that the participating members of the 6bone =
have a right as collaborators on the technical issues involved to get =
the necessary services at a reduced cost. The free time alone that =
members have given up is evidence enough that some kind of reward should =
be given back (never mind the voluntary costs of equipment etc).
>Also, there is now the ability for the RIRs to temporarily allocate =
>IPv6 addresses for Internet experiments.
Comment : Who are these temporary IPv6 addresses for ?? Providers ,end =
users or both?
>Tim Chown asked why not use 06/06/06 for the kill date as it had a =
>nice symmetry?
Comment : It is also easy to remember. (And the Devil will rise from the =
fires of Hell)
>Bob Fink asked if it is better to shutdown in the summer rather than =
>(Xmas) holiday time? Comments seemed to say that summertime was =
>better.
Comment : I don't agree . What would be the reasoning for this? =
Considerations to think about would be for those that are still using =
the 6bone in their own spare time - so holiday times would be good for =
them.
Another consideration and perhaps the main one would be volume of =
traffic over the internet. During holiday periods there would be a rise =
in domestic use of the internet but should be of no concern as far as =
IPv6 is concerned during the shutdown. During normal work time in the =
summer there is likely to be more IPv6 traffic, will this have any =
bearing on the shutdown, I'd have thought so. Holidays would be better =
IMHO.
>Jordi Palet noted that you can get an experimental prefix from=20
>RIRs, you just need an upstream provider to forward the request on =
>your behalf.=20
Comment : Again, please explain who is meant by 'you can'. On who's =
behalf are we talking about here??
The PowerPoint presentation from the link was good.
I hope I didn't talk too much..
Feedback appreciated.
Thanks=20
Gav...
(Gavin McDonald)
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Hi Bob and all,=20
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<DIV><STRONG><BR><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>| 6bone Folk,<BR>| =
<BR>| Minutes=20
of the 6bone BOF from IETF-56 are at:<BR>| <BR>| <</FONT></STRONG><A=20
href=3D"http://6bone.net/ngtrans/minutes/index.htm"><STRONG><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
size=3D2>http://6bone.net/ngtrans/minutes/index.htm</FONT></STRONG></A><S=
TRONG><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>><BR>| <BR>| Please send me any=20
comments/corrections/additions.<BR>|</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I have been a list =
member here=20
for a while now and every now and then pop up with a question or a =
comment which=20
probably shows my ignorance about some of the things that are =
6bone/IPv6. I will=20
continue in that vain :0)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was just going to =
give my=20
comments and be done with it, but ............ a very brief background =
as I=20
think it serves well not to just receive comments from people, but to =
also know=20
who they are coming from. You all mostly know each other here but I =
expect you=20
(Bob) would like comments from us lesser mortals. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2> =
Those who want=20
to skip the intro, page down to the arrows=20
>>>>>></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I am 32, Have been =
involved with=20
computers since school days etc... My last job was as a Software =
Technician for=20
a group of colleges in England but gave it up to move to Australia, I am =
now in=20
Sales but in the process of setting up my own Computer=20
repair/upgrade/network/website etc Business. I embarked on a part time =
study=20
degree with the Open University (3 years ago) aiming towards a =
named=20
honours degree in 'IT & Computing' (obvious no doubt) and have =
gained a=20
diploma so far with another and the degree coming next year with a bit =
of luck.=20
I do have a life however and am not a geek, script kiddie, techno =
fashion seeker=20
or anything else you might come up with, I am just=20
interested.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>My interest in IPv6 =
was to begin=20
with, one in which I could gain the knowledge needed in order to go out =
and get=20
a job with a Company that provides/specializes/needs IPv6. I don't want =
to be a=20
nTLA or any kind of provider of IPv6 services to end users. So the issue =
is then=20
- what is there left in IPv6 that I can use, not a lot I think is the =
answer.=20
There is maybe a networking job out there from 2003 until 2007 (say) for =
transition purposes with ISPs. Big deal, not a career prospect there, =
and no=20
doubt all the ISPs and Telco's/Cable providers have there own teams =
working on=20
it now anyway.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>So can someone please =
tell me ,=20
what is the point in my (and like) learning all this stuff, I mean - I =
didn't=20
need to know the ins and outs of IPv4 (but I do). Is it too late for me =
already=20
to participate properly or is my only option to approach a=20
nTLA/ISP.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
size=3D2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&=
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&g=
t;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=
;>>>>>></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Ok, so back to =
Comments on the=20
Minutes of the Meeting . (Has a certain poetic feel don't you=20
think)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Courier New">>Bob said that he would =
paraphrase the=20
single largest concern as =93=85why >should the 6bone community get =
cheaper=20
services than the dues paying >members=85?=94</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Comment : Up to , =
including and=20
for 1 year after the transition period (until July 2007) I think that =
the=20
participating members of the 6bone have a right as collaborators on the=20
technical issues involved to get the necessary services at a reduced =
cost. The=20
free time alone that members have given up is evidence enough that some =
kind of=20
reward should be given back (never mind the voluntary costs of equipment =
etc).</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Courier New">>Also, there is now the =
ability for the=20
RIRs to temporarily allocate >IPv6 addresses for Internet=20
experiments.</FONT><BR></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Comment : Who are =
these temporary=20
IPv6 addresses for ?? Providers ,end users or =
both?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D3>>Tim=20
Chown asked why not use 06/06/06 for the kill date as it had a >nice=20
symmetry?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>Comment : It is also =
easy to=20
remember. (And the Devil will rise from the fires of =
Hell)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D3>>Bob=20
Fink asked if it is better to shutdown in the summer rather than =20
>(Xmas) holiday time? Comments seemed to say that summertime was=20
>better.</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Comment : I don't agree . What would be the reasoning for =
this?=20
Considerations to think about would be for those that are still =
using the=20
6bone in their own spare time - so holiday times would be good for=20
them.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> Another consideration and perhaps the main one would =
be=20
volume of traffic over the internet. During holiday periods there would =
be a=20
rise in domestic use of the internet but should be of no concern as far =
as IPv6=20
is concerned during the shutdown. During normal work time in the summer =
there is=20
likely to be more IPv6 traffic, will this have any bearing on the =
shutdown, I'd=20
have thought so. Holidays would be better =
IMHO.</STRONG><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New">>Jordi Palet noted that you can get =
an=20
experimental prefix from </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New">>RIRs, you just need an upstream =
provider to=20
forward the request on >your behalf. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Comment : Again, =
please explain=20
who is meant by 'you can'. On who's behalf are we talking about=20
here??</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>The PowerPoint =
presentation=20
from the link was good.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>I hope I didn't talk =
too=20
much..</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>Feedback=20
appreciated.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>Thanks =
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2><STRONG>Gav...</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><STRONG>(Gavin=20
McDonald)<BR></STRONG></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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