[6bone] Re: pTLA request NDSOFTWARE - review closes 23 October 2002

[Pim van Pelt]

Hoi Abdul,

May I ask what is your position at the 'NGC' or Wisconsin university
currently? Your signature leads to believe that you are a grad student.
Not that this matters at all, but I do think that an american university
(or students organisation therein) should be able to find connectivity
on that continent at least.

I agree that sometimes larger networks are not that willing to cooperate
with IPv6 deployments, but turning to a European
institute/company/private individual in that case, does not seem
appropriate.

Regarding your statement on offensiveness, most all replies to the pTLA
request did not have personal attacks. We (the general 6BONE population)
do have our doubts regarding the validity of the existance of NDSOFTWARE 
as a commercial entity. When somebody looked into the Chambers of
Commerce, they could not find any entry for that company.

Although DEFFAYET does seem to have a positive contribution on the
enduser side, helping institutes and individuals with IPv6 related
things, so do others. For example, IPng.nl (www.ipng.nl) has a nice
userbase and educational role. However, contrary to what some people
state, IPng.nl does not have a pTLA but simply a statically routed block
of addresses from an upstream, who in fact is a large dutch metropolitan
ISP in the Amsterdam region.

I do not feel that NDSOFTWARE has a valid userbase, I don't think they
are a 'real' company (although I cannot prove this statement), and I
don't think they are capable of being well-behaved on the 6BONE. Their
reputation from the past precedes them. 

groet,
Pim

On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:11:01PM -0500, Abdul Basit wrote:
| Hello folks@6bone ,
| 
|  I like to favour Mr Deffayet on his pTLA request, I am speaking on behalf
| of NextGenCollective (NGC), NGC is a reasearch organization that provides
| ipv6 tunnels to over 150 users , We have NDSOFTWARE as our ipv6
| upstream. NGC is housed at WSU (Wichita state university), USA, As a
| matter of fact, in very begining , we were unable to find any support
| of ipv6 , it was Mr Deffayet who helped us a lot, so its wrong to say that
| he is an offensive person, I see him working almost all the time
| supporting his customers.  and not to mention NDSOFTWARE does supports
| many research based ipv6 projects, NGC, and IPng are one of them.
| and NGC in turns plan to deploy IPv6 on whole WSU network infrastructure.
| We also plan to tunnel with KU and KSU in cojunction with HiPECC
| (http://www.hipecc.twsu.edu) Internet2 project at WSU. Even we are
| analyzing the feasibility of deploying IPv6 on laptops issued to students.
| NGC is also providing IPSec tunnels to those who wants with dynamic updates.
| We are also planning to look for feasbility for establishing a mobile
| cluster using ipv6.
| http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2002/view_txt.php?text=abstract&talk=36
| 
|  As a matter of fact, being on irc is fun, you meet nice persons
| and get help, it always the case with me.  On the other hand, persons
| working in cisco, motorolla, Nokia are of no real help, I tried to contact
| some persons in Nokia (listed at http://www.nokia.com/ipv6/ ) several
| times , no reply i got, but if i email Mr Deffayet for some question or
| ask for some support, i usually get reply on the same day. I give credit
| to Mr Deffayet of what is  currently being done under NGC as he is the one
| who is supporting that research work. I beleive NOKIA , cisco and other
| BIG giants don't support IPv6 work at universities that much that
| NDSOFTWARE is trying to do.
| 
|  My opinion is , if NDSOFTWARE's request is fully RFC2772 compliant,
| there should be no objection of approving its pTLA 's request, or
| ppl who are against it should provide strong reasons in terms of RFC2772
| to oppose the request. Its not ONLY the right of BIG organizations
| (like Nokia, Cisco etc) to become pTLA, other relatively small
| organization can serve as a pTLA 's also if they obey the rules
| stated in RFC. We should encourage all.
| 
| - basit
| Graduate Student
| MS Computer Science
| Wichita state university
| http://basit.cc
| http://ip6.basit.cc
| 
| 
| 
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