[6bone] RFC2772 rewrite -- bigger scope goals

[Nicolas DEFFAYET]

On Sun, 2002-11-17 at 13:57, Robert Kiessling wrote:

> What matters is what actually happens, i.e. what is *likely* to cause
> problems. And here we saw several instances of unmaintained and badly
> responsive 6bone site, and sites running two-year old copies of
> depricated BGP software.

There are badly responsive sTLA too.
A lot of ISP don't maintain their sTLA because they have too many work
with their IPv4 network.

> For example, all of the LIRs I have spoken to understand the problem
> with long-distance tunnels and are getting rid of them, while at the
> same time a 6bone site proudly announced to have more than 90 tunnels.

You can have a short-distance tunnel with a lot of packet loss...

We are open for native peering, but many ISP don't want establish native
peering with us because we don't have a sTLA.
6bone can have more native peering if this ISP are more open.

> > sTLA owner can don't have IPv6 experience because it's not a
> > requierement for get a sTLA.
> 
> Entities operating RIR allocations will have BGP experience, which is
> more relevent. And they have a view and sense of real network
> topology.

Yes, but i mean _IPv6 experience_.

> > I think that your solution is not good and will kill the 6bone.
> 
> It might be more productive if you explained concretely why you think
> it's a bad idea. I don't see any indication why this would "kill
> 6bone". What do you mean by this?

Why your solution is not good:

- If you cut 6bone and RIR, 6bone will have a very bad routing (i know,
it's not a problem for you because you have a sTLA).
- Many pTLA offer a real production quality service, why limit them ?
- A pTLA can offer better service than a sTLA.
- IPv6 world must have the same routing policy, why complicate IPv6
routing ?

=> Do a clean of 6bone and be more strict on RFC2772 is better.


Your solution will kill the 6bone because the 6bone will be too limited,
and all ISP will resquest a sTLA for do their tests.

> In other words, you operate it as a hobby, while LIRs operate
> professionally. And it's not just you, it's many other 6bone sites
> too.

We don't operate our pTLA as a hobby.
We operate our pTLA professionally.
We have a 24x7 contact and we reply within 24 hours.
We provide to ours users a production quality service and we have a good
routing (we use filtering, MED,...).

A lot of sTLA don't operate their sTLA professionally.
A lot of sTLA don't have a 24x7 contact and don't reply within 24 hours.
A lot of sTLA don't have a good routing (they don't use filtering,
MED,...)


Best Regards,

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Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware
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