about IPv6 PPPoE

[Michael Richardson]

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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Baker <lucifer@lightbearer.com> writes:
    Joel> Bandwidth subscription rates typically go at *least* 20:1 for residential
    Joel> DSL; sometimes 30:1. This is not, actually, a problem for most situations,
    Joel> if combined with proper monitoring of the circuit and engineers who
  
  *bandwidth* subscription rates are not as bad or relevant. 

  Being unable to terminate every layer-2 from every homeowner, who now, having
address space, has his fridge, TV, home alarm system, etc. online *IS* a
problem. You do not get any space for oversubscribing the local loop when you
have things that are just online all the time.
  
  Remember that this is 6bone@isi.edu. A major thing about IPv6 is that it
restores end-to-end. That means that I don't necessarily care how
oversubscribed the uplink is - IF I AM PHONING MY NEIGHBOUR. 

  This nonsense of underengineering the local loop is all about turning us
into consumers, not users. Consumers can cope with web browsers, there is no
demand for end-to-end connectivity. 
  IPv4+NAT+web proxies is all a consumer needs to shop. 

    Joel> The statistics in question were taken over the span of a month and a half,
    Joel> at 5 minute intervals, and processed extensively (some of it useful, much
    Joel> of it for making pretty graphs to prove to the people paying for upstream
    Joel> circuits that they couldn't safely try to multiplex 30:1 on the business
    Joel> T1s, even having hundreds of customers).

  And remember how the "Internet" as it first arrived on copper screwed the
oversubscription policies of the telcos systems up completedly. Rural areas
are still way badly underprovisioned now that people want to use modems more
often.

  If you let it return, then forget about using IPv6 for anything other than
web-bunnies. 

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