From Marc.Williams at neustar.biz Mon Oct 10 11:24:48 2005 From: Marc.Williams at neustar.biz (Williams, Marc) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:24:48 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 Message-ID: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> Neustar hereby returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48, thank you. % RIPEdb(3.0.0b2) with ISI RPSL extensions ipv6-site: NEUSTAR origin: AS7786 descr: Neustar, Inc. prefix: 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 contact: MW10-6BONE mnt-by: MW10-6BONE changed: marc.williams at neustar.com 20020903 source: 6BONE person: Marc Williams address: Loudon Tech Center; 45980 Center Oak Plaza, Building VIII; Sterling VA 20166 phone: +15714345626 fax-no: +15714335401 e-mail: marc.williams at neustar.com nic-hdl: MW10-6BONE notify: marc.williams at neustar.com changed: marc.williams at neustar.com 20020710 source: 6BONE mntner: MW10-6BONE descr: Neustar, Inc. admin-c: MW10-6BONE upd-to: marc.williams at neustar.com auth: CRYPT-PW * mnt-by: MW10-6BONE changed: marc.williams at neustar.com 20020902 source: 6BONE Marc Williams Network Engineer Neustar, Inc. 571-434-5626 (desk) 571-283-1587 (mobile) From jeroen at unfix.org Mon Oct 10 12:35:49 2005 From: jeroen at unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:35:49 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 In-Reply-To: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> References: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> Message-ID: <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 14:24 -0400, Williams, Marc wrote: > Neustar hereby returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48, thank you. How cool it might be and a good gesture, as the 6bone never passed out /48's, as can be seen on http://www.6bone.net/6bone_pTLA_list.html you can't unfortunately return it to 6bone. Your /48 comes from the /24 from VIAGENIE, to which you can return it as they 'own' the block. I've CC'd Florent Parent who you can return the block to. Btw, for people who do have TLA's assigned and are using them, you have about 8 months left to stop using them completely... Folks still using 6bone space can be found here: http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/6bone/ Todays score: 8<------------------- The database currently holds 144 IPv6 DFP's. Of which 30 (20.83%) are returned to the pool, 28 (19.44%) IPv6 DFP's didn't have a routing entry. Thus 86 (59.72%) networks are currently announced. -------------------->8 Bob, can I mark those 'unrouted' entries as being returned? Although these folks never let something hear from them that they actually did? Most of them have not been announced for the last couple of months... Folks who still are announcing these blocks are urged to return them as soon as possible or at least set a dead line for their users around may. Notify them beforehand, you know that 6/6/6 is the end of 6bone and you have ample enough time to arrange alternate setups for your users. Still 8 months too go.... Greets, Jeroen [PS: TLA holders agreed that they read this list, so they are already aware of this for a couple of months now, thus don't claim you didn't know... ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pe?a horape at compendium.com.ar horape at uninet.edu From jeroen at unfix.org Mon Oct 10 13:31:15 2005 From: jeroen at unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:31:15 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 In-Reply-To: <20051010202532.GA789@compendium.com.ar> References: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> <20051010202532.GA789@compendium.com.ar> Message-ID: <1128976276.5080.74.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 17:25 -0300, Horacio J. Pe?a wrote: > > Bob, can I mark those 'unrouted' entries as being returned? Although > > these folks never let something hear from them that they actually did? > > Most of them have not been announced for the last couple of months... > > Please consider COMPENDIUM-AR (3FFE:8260::/28) as returned. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.isi.edu/pipermail/6bone/attachments/20051010/562722ad/attachment.bin From raeburn at MIT.EDU Mon Oct 10 14:17:02 2005 From: raeburn at MIT.EDU (Ken Raeburn) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:17:02 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 In-Reply-To: <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> References: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> Message-ID: <7B8B188B-4E66-445D-AD29-0A06D90BCB88@mit.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 10, 2005, at 15:35, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Btw, for people who do have TLA's assigned and are using them, you > have > about 8 months left to stop using them completely... And at the rate my employer's dealing with the legalese for a "real" allocation, that might almost be enough... > Folks still using 6bone space can be found here: > http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/6bone/ Is anyone else besides MIT still trying to use prefixes from the now- defunct MERIT block 3ffe:1c00::/24? We've got route advertisements for 3ffe:1ce1::/16 going out through one other tunnel, but they don't seem to be getting very far. :-( I wonder if it's /48 being too small, or not coming from the right AS number, or sites just not accepting our advertisements, or what... Ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDStpSUqOaDMQ+e5gRAi/uAJ9V6nWDmJEnXaN6WxU4sA97BzFhKgCggNHh ALCRxC1ytrJHxl4BMbe2k8U= =g6Mr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kloch at hotnic.net Mon Oct 10 17:31:51 2005 From: kloch at hotnic.net (Kevin Loch) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:31:51 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 In-Reply-To: <7B8B188B-4E66-445D-AD29-0A06D90BCB88@mit.edu> References: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> <7B8B188B-4E66-445D-AD29-0A06D90BCB88@mit.edu> Message-ID: <434B07F7.7010403@hotnic.net> Ken Raeburn wrote: >>Btw, for people who do have TLA's assigned and are using them, you >>have >>about 8 months left to stop using them completely... > > And at the rate my employer's dealing with the legalese for a "real" > allocation, that might almost be enough... Were you turned down by ARIN? The requirements are very simple, just know the correct answers to four trick questions: > 6.5.1.1. Initial allocation criteria > > To qualify for an initial allocation of IPv6 address space, an > organization must: > > a) be an LIR; If you are going to be assigning /48's to downstream customers you will be an LIR. > b) not be an end site; If you are going to be aggregating traffic from downstream customers (end sites) you will not be an end site. Note that the definition of end site in the policy does not mean "physical location" it's a topological/business relationship definition. > > c) plan to provide IPv6 connectivity to organizations to which it > will assign /48s, by advertising that connectivity through its > single aggregated address allocation; and see b) > > d) be an existing, known ISP in the ARIN region or have a plan for > making at least 200 /48 assignments to other organizations > within > five years. One could argue that a university is already an existing known ISP but I'm sure you have business relationships with 200 customers that you could plan to assign /48's to. I would think that tunnels to faculty or student off campus residences would be a good place to start. Note that you cannot assign /48's to departments since those are still (usually) a part of the same legal entity. Students and faculty are of course separate legal entities and can be assigned a /48 though I don't know of anyone planning to assign /48's to students in dorm rooms. Of course under the current policy you can use a /48 per "location" for your own network. I would consider a contiguous campus one location but YMMV. > Is anyone else besides MIT still trying to use prefixes from the now- > defunct MERIT block 3ffe:1c00::/24? We've got route advertisements > for 3ffe:1ce1::/16 going out through one other tunnel, but they don't > seem to be getting very far. :-( did you mean 3ffe:1ce1::/48? You might ask your upstream(s) if they are filtering it. I don't see anything from 3ffe:1c00::/24 in my tables, nor does the sixxs looking glass. Each network has it's own policy on what it accepts. Some don't accept any routes from 3ff3::/16 space. Most of the networks we peer with seem to accept anything down to /48 though at least one only accepts /24|/28|/32 in 3ffe::/16 depending on the range. I can set up a tunnel session for you if you want to see how far it gets through us. Of course I can also assign you a /48 from our space (2001:4810::/32) and you can see how far that goes through your other connections. - Kevin From raeburn at MIT.EDU Mon Oct 10 20:39:37 2005 From: raeburn at MIT.EDU (Ken Raeburn) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:39:37 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 In-Reply-To: <434B07F7.7010403@hotnic.net> References: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> <7B8B188B-4E66-445D-AD29-0A06D90BCB88@mit.edu> <434B07F7.7010403@hotnic.net> Message-ID: <0CF65110-AB5C-460D-AF62-22A6002620D5@MIT.EDU> On Oct 10, 2005, at 20:31, Kevin Loch wrote: >> And at the rate my employer's dealing with the legalese for a >> "real" allocation, that might almost be enough... > > Were you turned down by ARIN? The requirements are very simple, > just know the correct answers to four trick questions: No, we haven't gotten that far. I think it's a question of having lawyers review some terms that someone had expressed some concerns over, and the blocking factor that it's not high enough on the priority list compared to a large pile of other things that have to be taken to the lawyers. (Which reminds me, it's about time for me to ping again the guy whose job it would be to ping the lawyers....) >> Is anyone else besides MIT still trying to use prefixes from the >> now- defunct MERIT block 3ffe:1c00::/24? We've got route >> advertisements for 3ffe:1ce1::/16 going out through one other >> tunnel, but they don't seem to be getting very far. :-( > > did you mean 3ffe:1ce1::/48? You might ask your upstream(s) > if they are filtering it. I don't see anything from 3ffe:1c00::/24 > in my tables, nor does the sixxs looking glass. Um, right, not /16. Actually, I think ours is a /32. Our only currently working upstream is VBNS, and last I checked, they weren't filtering it. But even then I don't think it was getting to any looking glass I could find. > Each network has it's own policy on what it accepts. Some don't > accept > any routes from 3ff3::/16 space. Most of the networks we peer with > seem to accept anything down to /48 though at least one only accepts > /24|/28|/32 in 3ffe::/16 depending on the range. Hm, that's annoying. Not too surprising, though. And no one's currently advertising the MERIT /24 block, I would assume. > I can set up > a tunnel session for you if you want to see how far it gets through > us. Of course I can also assign you a /48 from our space > (2001:4810::/32) and you can see how far that goes through > your other connections. Thanks, I think that might help... Ken From kloch at hotnic.net Tue Oct 11 00:29:52 2005 From: kloch at hotnic.net (Kevin Loch) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:29:52 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 In-Reply-To: <20051011054923.GA31186@scylla.towardex.com> References: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> <7B8B188B-4E66-445D-AD29-0A06D90BCB88@mit.edu> <434B07F7.7010403@hotnic.net> <0CF65110-AB5C-460D-AF62-22A6002620D5@MIT.EDU> <20051011054923.GA31186@scylla.towardex.com> Message-ID: <434B69F0.8060807@hotnic.net> James wrote: > Given that MIT is a member of NOX GigaPOP, it may be easier to > acquire a few /48s from NOX's Abilene /40 allocation. As long as they don't rely only on Abilene routes... > Or ask NOX or Goddard to acquire a /32 from ARIN then break off > a /40 for you, they should be able to get them easily. They could do that but I don't think they will have any problems qualifying for a /32 under the current ARIN policy. - Kevin From gert at space.net Tue Oct 11 02:33:58 2005 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:33:58 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 In-Reply-To: <7B8B188B-4E66-445D-AD29-0A06D90BCB88@mit.edu> References: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> <7B8B188B-4E66-445D-AD29-0A06D90BCB88@mit.edu> Message-ID: <20051011093358.GG75997@Space.Net> Hi, On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 05:17:02PM -0400, Ken Raeburn wrote: > I wonder if it's /48 being too small, or not coming from the right AS > number, or sites just not accepting our advertisements, or what... I know that some sites are filtering /48s, and other sites are filtering all of 3FFE. So expect some problems with a /48 from 3FFE space... (As for the question "who can see my prefix", GRH is your friend - just check the looking glass on http://grh.sixxs.net/) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 81421 SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster at Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 D- 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-234 From hank at efes.iucc.ac.il Tue Oct 11 02:59:17 2005 From: hank at efes.iucc.ac.il (Hank Nussbacher) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:59:17 +0200 Subject: [6bone] FYI: IPv6 mapping project Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20051011115518.00add7a8@efes.iucc.ac.il> http://www.lumeta.com/IPv6/ -Hank From ljb at merit.edu Thu Oct 13 02:07:42 2005 From: ljb at merit.edu (Larry Blunk) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 05:07:42 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Neustar returns 3FFE:B80:FBE::/48 (Merit returns 3FFE:1C00::/24) In-Reply-To: <0CF65110-AB5C-460D-AF62-22A6002620D5@MIT.EDU> References: <165FCC93A820D240A62F98E028CEFED004498502@stntexch01.cis.neustar.com> <1128972949.5080.55.camel@firenze.zurich.ibm.com> <7B8B188B-4E66-445D-AD29-0A06D90BCB88@mit.edu> <434B07F7.7010403@hotnic.net> <0CF65110-AB5C-460D-AF62-22A6002620D5@MIT.EDU> Message-ID: <434E23DE.1070603@merit.edu> Ken Raeburn wrote: >On Oct 10, 2005, at 20:31, Kevin Loch wrote: > > >>>And at the rate my employer's dealing with the legalese for a >>>"real" allocation, that might almost be enough... >>> >>> >>Were you turned down by ARIN? The requirements are very simple, >>just know the correct answers to four trick questions: >> >> > >No, we haven't gotten that far. I think it's a question of having >lawyers review some terms that someone had expressed some concerns >over, and the blocking factor that it's not high enough on the >priority list compared to a large pile of other things that have to >be taken to the lawyers. (Which reminds me, it's about time for me >to ping again the guy whose job it would be to ping the lawyers....) > > You should be able to get IPv6 space from Abilene/Internet2. > > >>>Is anyone else besides MIT still trying to use prefixes from the >>>now- defunct MERIT block 3ffe:1c00::/24? We've got route >>>advertisements for 3ffe:1ce1::/16 going out through one other >>>tunnel, but they don't seem to be getting very far. :-( >>> >>> >>did you mean 3ffe:1ce1::/48? You might ask your upstream(s) >>if they are filtering it. I don't see anything from 3ffe:1c00::/24 >>in my tables, nor does the sixxs looking glass. >> >> > >Um, right, not /16. Actually, I think ours is a /32. Our only >currently working upstream is VBNS, and last I checked, they weren't >filtering it. But even then I don't think it was getting to any >looking glass I could find. > > It was a /48 in our old mrtd config file (although our allocations were on /32 boundaries). > > >>Each network has it's own policy on what it accepts. Some don't >>accept >>any routes from 3ff3::/16 space. Most of the networks we peer with >>seem to accept anything down to /48 though at least one only accepts >>/24|/28|/32 in 3ffe::/16 depending on the range. >> >> > >Hm, that's annoying. Not too surprising, though. And no one's >currently advertising the MERIT /24 block, I would assume. > > We shut down our 6bone router over a year ago (we had switched all our production hosts to native v6 over Abilene/Internet2). > > >> I can set up >>a tunnel session for you if you want to see how far it gets through >>us. Of course I can also assign you a /48 from our space >>(2001:4810::/32) and you can see how far that goes through >>your other connections. >> >> > >Thanks, I think that might help... > >Ken > > Ken, I take it you're okay with us returning 3ffe:1c00::/24? Thanks, Larry Blunk Merit Network