From jeroen at unfix.org Fri Apr 16 09:04:28 2004 From: jeroen at unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Fri Apr 16 09:08:23 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) Message-ID: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> [reposting previous question, posted on 8 March 2004 and 23 March 2004] Hi, What is the status of the e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa delegation? Are the servers there? Did IANA see the RFC ? :) Yes, I want ip6.int to be gone, I did a small inquiry see http://www.sixxs.net/forum/?msg=general-83948, showing people agree that in 2 months after the delegation works that ip6.int support can be removed for the SixXS delegations. Currently the IPng and Kewlio POPs have 6bone space, the first will simply rewrite the ip6.int to ip6.arpa so that should not cause much problems, the users on the second POP will have to move. Users of the other POPs use RIPE space thus they will have to put ip6.arpa in their zones if they haven't done so already. Also this month RFC3701 appeared: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3701.txt Describing the end of the 6bone per 6/6/6, are we really having to wait for that date? Greets, Jeroen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://gamma.isi.edu/pipermail/6bone/attachments/20040416/a3d6c4ec/attachment.bin From pim at ipng.nl Mon Apr 19 03:49:23 2004 From: pim at ipng.nl (Pim van Pelt) Date: Mon Apr 19 03:51:17 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> Hi, | [reposting previous question, posted on 8 March 2004 and 23 March 2004] Could a delegate for this arpa treebranch please stand up ? I cannot agree to this being ignored for so long. What is the status anyway ? RIPE NCC had it up and running at some point, it was then decided that the ip6.int people should run the tree. So start running it already! groet, Pim -- ---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- Pim van Pelt Email: pim@ipng.nl http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment ----------------------------------------------- From rain at bluecherry.net Mon Apr 19 11:33:38 2004 From: rain at bluecherry.net (Ben Winslow) Date: Mon Apr 19 11:36:41 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> Message-ID: <1082399618.3360.98.camel@portal.home> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 06:49, Pim van Pelt wrote: > I cannot agree to this being ignored for so long. > RIPE NCC had it up and running at some point, it was then decided that > the ip6.int people should run the tree. So start running it already! Seconded. -- Ben Winslow -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 900 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://gamma.isi.edu/pipermail/6bone/attachments/20040419/94ec6624/attachment.bin From haesu at towardex.com Mon Apr 19 12:23:11 2004 From: haesu at towardex.com (James) Date: Mon Apr 19 12:23:22 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> Message-ID: <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> I second both of you. I also would like to know the status of this .arpa project? And anything the community can do to help as well. -J On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 12:49:23PM +0200, Pim van Pelt wrote: > Hi, > > | [reposting previous question, posted on 8 March 2004 and 23 March 2004] > Could a delegate for this arpa treebranch please stand up ? > I cannot agree to this being ignored for so long. What is the status > anyway ? > > RIPE NCC had it up and running at some point, it was then decided that > the ip6.int people should run the tree. So start running it already! > > groet, > Pim > > -- > ---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- > Pim van Pelt Email: pim@ipng.nl > http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment > ----------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > 6bone mailing list > 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone -- James Jun TowardEX Technologies, Inc. Technical Lead Network Design, Consulting, IT Outsourcing james@towardex.com Boston-based Colocation & Bandwidth Services cell: 1(978)-394-2867 web: http://www.towardex.com , noc: www.twdx.net From gert at space.net Mon Apr 19 13:08:17 2004 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Mon Apr 19 13:09:26 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> Message-ID: <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> Hi, On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:23:11PM -0400, James wrote: > I second both of you. I also would like to know the status of this > .arpa project? And anything the community can do to help as well. Seems that the-powers-that-be have lost the little interest they had in making e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa happen. I, for one, have given up waiting and asking for it. How many years has this not-happened now? 2 years? More? Let's filter all 6bone routes, shut down 6bone peerings, and forget that it ever existed. Instead of wasting energy on reverse DNS for something that doesn't want it. (Have you noticed that it's only "production v6" people asking for e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa reverse DNS?) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 From daniel at kewlio.net Mon Apr 19 14:57:00 2004 From: daniel at kewlio.net (Daniel Austin) Date: Mon Apr 19 15:02:16 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <3152.81.6.207.26.1082411820.kdnl@webmail.kewlio.net> Hi, > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:23:11PM -0400, James wrote: >> I second both of you. I also would like to know the status of this >> .arpa project? And anything the community can do to help as well. > > Seems that the-powers-that-be have lost the little interest they had in > making e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa happen. > > I, for one, have given up waiting and asking for it. How many years has > this not-happened now? 2 years? More? > > Let's filter all 6bone routes, shut down 6bone peerings, and forget that > it ever existed. Instead of wasting energy on reverse DNS for something > that doesn't want it. (Have you noticed that it's only "production v6" > people asking for e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa reverse DNS?) As we're not eligible for a RIPE production block (or rather not a /32), all that we currently have IS a 6bone block. I don't see what the problem is with the delegation, but i want it to happen. I get people asking me about it regularly. I've had our 6bone zones mirrored into ip6.arpa for a while now, i'd like to think it wasn't all a waste of my time. So, as a non "production v6" person, PLEASE can we have e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa delegation!? -- With Thanks, Daniel Austin, Managing Director, Kewlio.net Limited. From gert at space.net Mon Apr 19 15:10:49 2004 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Mon Apr 19 15:11:44 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <3152.81.6.207.26.1082411820.kdnl@webmail.kewlio.net> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <3152.81.6.207.26.1082411820.kdnl@webmail.kewlio.net> Message-ID: <20040419221049.GG13090@Space.Net> Hi, On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:57:00PM +0100, Daniel Austin wrote: > As we're not eligible for a RIPE production block (or rather not a /32), > all that we currently have IS a 6bone block. Why not? If you have a decent customer base (and are a LIR), you're eligible for a RIPE allocation. "200 potential IPv6" customers is what counts. If you're too small (just a hand ful customers) a suballocation might be a workable alternative for it. In any case: the 6bone *will* go away in about 2 years. So you need to migrate to RIR space anyway. The sooner, the better. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 From daniel at kewlio.net Mon Apr 19 15:17:23 2004 From: daniel at kewlio.net (Daniel Austin) Date: Mon Apr 19 15:20:15 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040419221049.GG13090@Space.Net> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <3152.81.6.207.26.1082411820.kdnl@webmail.kewlio.net> <20040419221049.GG13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <3268.81.6.207.26.1082413043.kdnl@webmail.kewlio.net> Hi, > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:57:00PM +0100, Daniel Austin wrote: >> As we're not eligible for a RIPE production block (or rather not a >> /32), all that we currently have IS a 6bone block. > > Why not? If you have a decent customer base (and are a LIR), you're > eligible for a RIPE allocation. "200 potential IPv6" customers is what > counts. We're not a LIR. So far, my only reason for us to become a LIR is to obtain a RIPE IPv6 allocation. > If you're too small (just a hand ful customers) a suballocation might be > a workable alternative for it. We have a sub allocation from BT - but of course it's not able to be advertised in BGP. > In any case: the 6bone *will* go away in about 2 years. So you need to > migrate to RIR space anyway. The sooner, the better. That's true, and we'll be a LIR by then - but until then... the 6bone is what we have. Why cripple something that still has some life left in it? I'm still getting people asking for IPv6 tunnels (and customers asking for blocks too) - while i understand that 6/6/2006 is a final deadline and 6bone may well be dead before then - it's still *2 years* away. But hey, those are just my thoughts. I'd like to think i'm not the only one. -- With Thanks, Daniel Austin, Managing Director, Kewlio.net Limited. From bob at thefinks.com Mon Apr 19 15:43:15 2004 From: bob at thefinks.com (Bob Fink) Date: Mon Apr 19 15:45:41 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040419153703.02f3b470@mail.addr.com> Gert, et al At 01:08 PM 4/19/2004, Gert Doering wrote: >Hi, > >On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:23:11PM -0400, James wrote: > > I second both of you. I also would like to know the status of this > > .arpa project? And anything the community can do to help as well. > >Seems that the-powers-that-be have lost the little interest they had >in making e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa happen. > >I, for one, have given up waiting and asking for it. How many years has >this not-happened now? 2 years? More? > >Let's filter all 6bone routes, shut down 6bone peerings, and forget that >it ever existed. Instead of wasting energy on reverse DNS for something >that doesn't want it. (Have you noticed that it's only "production v6" >people asking for e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa reverse DNS?) Sorry for all the delays in getting the e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa service going. The initial problem was getting agreement to get RFC 3681 published (which just happened this January) and now it is getting the server details worked out, and then getting IANA to take them as official (per the RFC 3681). Hexago's engineering team (who supports the 6bone web site service as well as the freenet6 tunnelling service) are finalizing the details of which servers, etc., at this time and will announce what's going to happen imminently. Thanks, Bob From wildfire at progsoc.uts.edu.au Mon Apr 19 18:47:02 2004 From: wildfire at progsoc.uts.edu.au (Anand Kumria) Date: Mon Apr 19 18:47:44 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:08:17PM +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > Let's filter all 6bone routes, shut down 6bone peerings, and forget that > it ever existed. Instead of wasting energy on reverse DNS for something > that doesn't want it. (Have you noticed that it's only "production v6" > people asking for e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa reverse DNS?) No, I've been asking but I've given up waiting for it to happen. I only have 6bone address space and 'production IPv6 address space' is unlikely to roll to .au around by 06/06/2006. The tunnel and netblocks I've allocated have already switched over to using 3.f.f.e.ip6.arpa as it happens, so we are all just waiting on the Powers That Be. Anand -- `` All actions take place in time by the interweaving of the forces of Nature; but the man lost in selfish delusion thinks that he himself is the actor.'' Lord Krishna to Arjuna in _The Bhagavad Gita_ From mohacsi at niif.hu Mon Apr 19 23:58:55 2004 From: mohacsi at niif.hu (Mohacsi Janos) Date: Mon Apr 19 23:59:36 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <20040420085711.V8236@mignon.ki.iif.hu> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Anand Kumria wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:08:17PM +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Let's filter all 6bone routes, shut down 6bone peerings, and forget that > > it ever existed. Instead of wasting energy on reverse DNS for something > > that doesn't want it. (Have you noticed that it's only "production v6" > > people asking for e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa reverse DNS?) > > No, I've been asking but I've given up waiting for it to happen. > > I only have 6bone address space and 'production IPv6 address space' is > unlikely to roll to .au around by 06/06/2006. It is very sad. You should really speak up at your providers. As far as I know Telstra is working on IPv6 deployment in Australia. Best Regards, Janos Mohacsi From gert at space.net Tue Apr 20 00:13:11 2004 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Tue Apr 20 00:13:37 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> Hi, On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:47:02AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote: > I only have 6bone address space and 'production IPv6 address space' is > unlikely to roll to .au around by 06/06/2006. Why? APNIC has the same IPv6 allocation rules as RIPE, and there is already *lots* of official IPv6 space in the AP region. If I check the RIPE IPv6 allocation page, I can see 5 allocations in .au - this is not very much, but it's definitely a start: CONNECT-AU-19990916 2001:0210::/35 V6TELSTRAINTERNET-AU-20011211 2001:0360::/32 NTTIP-AU-20020910 2001:0C78::/32 DATAFX-AU-20031112 2001:0DB0::/32 PI-AU-20040102 2001:0E28::/32 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 From wildfire at progsoc.uts.edu.au Tue Apr 20 01:17:34 2004 From: wildfire at progsoc.uts.edu.au (Anand Kumria) Date: Tue Apr 20 01:19:49 2004 Subject: IPv6 in au was: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <20040420081734.GH4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:13:11AM +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:47:02AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote: > > I only have 6bone address space and 'production IPv6 address space' is > > unlikely to roll to .au around by 06/06/2006. > > Why? APNIC has the same IPv6 allocation rules as RIPE, and there is > already *lots* of official IPv6 space in the AP region. I don't know why. None of my various providers support IPv6 at present. And yes people are asking. They eventually seem to contact me and get some 6bone space or use he.net. > If I check the RIPE IPv6 allocation page, I can see 5 allocations in > .au - this is not very much, but it's definitely a start: > > CONNECT-AU-19990916 2001:0210::/35 > PI-AU-20040102 2001:0E28::/32 Neither of these are being routed. > V6TELSTRAINTERNET-AU-20011211 2001:0360::/32 Experimental tunnel service for around a year now. Probably, well according to the FAQ, it is being re-evaluated at the moment. > NTTIP-AU-20020910 2001:0C78::/32 Unsure what their allocation policy/strategy is. > DATAFX-AU-20031112 2001:0DB0::/32 Providing tunnels to customers. The rate of allocation is increasingly (4, 15, 1, 8, 14, 2 months between them) shorter but still won't cover much of the .au ISPs by 2006. Cheers, Anand -- `` All actions take place in time by the interweaving of the forces of Nature; but the man lost in selfish delusion thinks that he himself is the actor.'' Lord Krishna to Arjuna in _The Bhagavad Gita_ From psgood at ipv6.net.au Tue Apr 20 01:28:13 2004 From: psgood at ipv6.net.au (Peter Good) Date: Tue Apr 20 01:29:44 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <20040420082852.886B290EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> One wonders why AARNET isn't listed there. Anyway, there's lots of tunnels in AU too :) Personally I've got about 60 floating about, interest is growing. (Yes I am subbed off one of the ones listed hehe). Peter. -----Original Message----- From: 6bone-bounces@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-bounces@mailman.isi.edu] On Behalf Of Gert Doering Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 5:13 PM To: Anand Kumria Cc: Pim van Pelt; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu; Gert Doering; Jeroen Massar; James Subject: Re: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) Hi, On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:47:02AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote: > I only have 6bone address space and 'production IPv6 address space' is > unlikely to roll to .au around by 06/06/2006. Why? APNIC has the same IPv6 allocation rules as RIPE, and there is already *lots* of official IPv6 space in the AP region. If I check the RIPE IPv6 allocation page, I can see 5 allocations in .au - this is not very much, but it's definitely a start: CONNECT-AU-19990916 2001:0210::/35 V6TELSTRAINTERNET-AU-20011211 2001:0360::/32 NTTIP-AU-20020910 2001:0C78::/32 DATAFX-AU-20031112 2001:0DB0::/32 PI-AU-20040102 2001:0E28::/32 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 _______________________________________________ 6bone mailing list 6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone From gert at space.net Tue Apr 20 01:32:47 2004 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Tue Apr 20 01:34:07 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420082852.886B290EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> References: <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> <20040420082852.886B290EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> Message-ID: <20040420083247.GK13090@Space.Net> Hi, On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:28:13PM +1000, Peter Good wrote: > One wonders why AARNET isn't listed there. What address range are they using? I just did a grep for "-AU-" in the allocation list - if they are registered in some other country, this won't find em. > Anyway, there's lots of tunnels > in AU too :) Personally I've got about 60 floating about, interest is > growing. (Yes I am subbed off one of the ones listed hehe). This is promising. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 From psgood at ipv6.net.au Tue Apr 20 01:38:25 2004 From: psgood at ipv6.net.au (Peter Good) Date: Tue Apr 20 01:39:36 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420083247.GK13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <20040420083904.EFE6990EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> inet6num: 2001:0388::/32 netname: AARNET-IPV6-20020117 descr: Australian academic and research network There it is, doesn't have an AU in it by the looks. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 6:33 PM To: Peter Good Cc: 'Gert Doering'; 'Anand Kumria'; 'Pim van Pelt'; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu; 'Jeroen Massar'; 'James' Subject: Re: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) Hi, On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:28:13PM +1000, Peter Good wrote: > One wonders why AARNET isn't listed there. What address range are they using? I just did a grep for "-AU-" in the allocation list - if they are registered in some other country, this won't find em. > Anyway, there's lots of tunnels > in AU too :) Personally I've got about 60 floating about, interest is > growing. (Yes I am subbed off one of the ones listed hehe). This is promising. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 From jeroen at unfix.org Tue Apr 20 01:40:06 2004 From: jeroen at unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Tue Apr 20 01:41:38 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420083247.GK13090@Space.Net> References: <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> <20040420082852.886B290EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> <20040420083247.GK13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <1082450405.18432.200.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 10:32, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:28:13PM +1000, Peter Good wrote: > > One wonders why AARNET isn't listed there. > > What address range are they using? I just did a grep for "-AU-" in the > allocation list - if they are registered in some other country, this > won't find em. I have the following list (based on the country: attribute ;) ) http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/all/?country=au 2001:210::/35 CONNECT-AU-19990916 (not in routing table) 2001:360::/32 V6TELSTAINTERNET-AU-20011211 2001:388::/32 AARNET-IPV6-20020117 2001:c78::/32 NTTIP-AU-20020910 2001:db0::/32 DATAFX-AU-2003112 2001:e28::/32 PI-AU-20040102 (not in routing table) 3ffe:8000::/28 TRUMPET/AU > > Anyway, there's lots of tunnels > > in AU too :) Personally I've got about 60 floating about, interest is > > growing. (Yes I am subbed off one of the ones listed hehe). > > This is promising. Any insight on what the usage trend is for these tunnels? Applications/traffic/... ? Greets, Jeroen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Of course the situation might still be very frustrating for the end users - most end user ISPs in germany still don't offer IPv6 either) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 From psgood at ipv6.net.au Tue Apr 20 03:06:52 2004 From: psgood at ipv6.net.au (Peter Good) Date: Tue Apr 20 03:07:50 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <1082450405.18432.200.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20040420100731.558BE90EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> Mostly, it's home user stuff, just people getting it for the fact of "having it". I think though, that once more content is available V6 only, then it should become more popular. It's a start though. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Jeroen Massar [mailto:jeroen@unfix.org] Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 6:40 PM To: Gert Doering Cc: Peter Good; 'Anand Kumria'; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu Subject: Re: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 10:32, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:28:13PM +1000, Peter Good wrote: > > One wonders why AARNET isn't listed there. > > What address range are they using? I just did a grep for "-AU-" in > the allocation list - if they are registered in some other country, > this won't find em. I have the following list (based on the country: attribute ;) ) http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/all/?country=au 2001:210::/35 CONNECT-AU-19990916 (not in routing table) 2001:360::/32 V6TELSTAINTERNET-AU-20011211 2001:388::/32 AARNET-IPV6-20020117 2001:c78::/32 NTTIP-AU-20020910 2001:db0::/32 DATAFX-AU-2003112 2001:e28::/32 PI-AU-20040102 (not in routing table) 3ffe:8000::/28 TRUMPET/AU > > Anyway, there's lots of tunnels > > in AU too :) Personally I've got about 60 floating about, interest > > is growing. (Yes I am subbed off one of the ones listed hehe). > > This is promising. Any insight on what the usage trend is for these tunnels? Applications/traffic/... ? Greets, Jeroen From mohacsi at niif.hu Tue Apr 20 04:11:57 2004 From: mohacsi at niif.hu (Mohacsi Janos) Date: Tue Apr 20 04:13:53 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420084210.GM13090@Space.Net> References: <20040420083247.GK13090@Space.Net> <20040420083904.EFE6990EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> <20040420084210.GM13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <20040420131050.X9991@mignon.ki.iif.hu> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:38:25PM +1000, Peter Good wrote: > > inet6num: 2001:0388::/32 > > netname: AARNET-IPV6-20020117 > > descr: Australian academic and research network > > > > There it is, doesn't have an AU in it by the looks. > > Thanks. "So there is even more IPv6 in AU than can be seen on fist glance". > > (Of course the situation might still be very frustrating for the end > users - most end user ISPs in germany still don't offer IPv6 either) Can you tell us which end user ISPs in Germany offer IPv6? Best Regards, Janos Mohacsi NIIF/HUNGARNET From gert at space.net Tue Apr 20 04:53:09 2004 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Tue Apr 20 04:53:47 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420131050.X9991@mignon.ki.iif.hu> References: <20040420083247.GK13090@Space.Net> <20040420083904.EFE6990EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> <20040420084210.GM13090@Space.Net> <20040420131050.X9991@mignon.ki.iif.hu> Message-ID: <20040420115309.GS13090@Space.Net> Hi, On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:11:57PM +0200, Mohacsi Janos wrote: > > (Of course the situation might still be very frustrating for the end > > users - most end user ISPs in germany still don't offer IPv6 either) > Can you tell us which end user ISPs in Germany offer IPv6? I have no comprehensive list of actual end-user offerings. I know that we (SpaceNet) offer IPv6 on nearly all our products, including low-price ADSL access (not "the lowest price on the market", but "consumer-level pricing"). Other ISPs in Germany that have some sort of IPv6 offer include at least the following (going through my IPv6 peerings) NTT/Vario 2914 Tiscali 3257 Easynet 4589 Topnet/Mobilcom 5430 VIA Net.Works 5669 Pironet NDH 8469 BT Ignite 8472 Schlund 8560 M'Net 8767 Noris Networks 12337 UUnet/Worldcom 12702 IPHH 12731 Versatel/Tesion 15717 Celox 20646 this list is by no means comprehensive (not all of them are present at the same IXPs as we are, and so on). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 From nicolas.deffayet at ndsoftware.net Tue Apr 20 05:50:07 2004 From: nicolas.deffayet at ndsoftware.net (Nicolas DEFFAYET) Date: Tue Apr 20 05:53:56 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <3268.81.6.207.26.1082413043.kdnl@webmail.kewlio.net> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <3152.81.6.207.26.1082411820.kdnl@webmail.kewlio.net> <20040419221049.GG13090@Space.Net> <3268.81.6.207.26.1082413043.kdnl@webmail.kewlio.net> Message-ID: <1082465407.2852.33.camel@w1-par1-fr.corp.ndsoftware.com> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 00:17, Daniel Austin wrote: Hi, > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:57:00PM +0100, Daniel Austin wrote: > >> As we're not eligible for a RIPE production block (or rather not a > >> /32), all that we currently have IS a 6bone block. > > > > Why not? If you have a decent customer base (and are a LIR), you're > > eligible for a RIPE allocation. "200 potential IPv6" customers is what > > counts. > > We're not a LIR. So far, my only reason for us to become a LIR is to > obtain a RIPE IPv6 allocation. > > In any case: the 6bone *will* go away in about 2 years. So you need to > > migrate to RIR space anyway. The sooner, the better. > > That's true, and we'll be a LIR by then - but until then... the 6bone is > what we have. Why cripple something that still has some life left in it? > I'm still getting people asking for IPv6 tunnels (and customers asking for > blocks too) - while i understand that 6/6/2006 is a final deadline and > 6bone may well be dead before then - it's still *2 years* away. > > But hey, those are just my thoughts. I'd like to think i'm not the only one. We have the same problem. Currently the only reason for us to become a LIR is to obtain a sTLA. When i check the 6bone pTLA list, i think that we are 5 pTLA with the same problem. -- Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware NDSoftware IP Network: http://www.ip.ndsoftware.net/ FNIX6 (French National Internet Exchange IPv6): http://www.fnix6.net/ From andre at grueneberg.de Tue Apr 20 07:46:38 2004 From: andre at grueneberg.de (Andre Grueneberg) Date: Tue Apr 20 07:47:40 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420115309.GS13090@Space.Net> References: <20040420083247.GK13090@Space.Net> <20040420083904.EFE6990EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> <20040420084210.GM13090@Space.Net> <20040420131050.X9991@mignon.ki.iif.hu> <20040420115309.GS13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <20040420144638.GA3205@leela.home.grueneberg.de> Gert Doering wrote: > Other ISPs in Germany that have some sort of IPv6 offer include at least > the following (going through my IPv6 peerings) AFAIK there's another provider offering native IPv6 to consumers. It's Logivision AS12732 with a non-commercial reseller called IN-Berlin. So Germany has at least some end-user ADSL (and dial-in) providers offering native IPv6, although the bigger players Gert mentioned don't go that way. :/ Andre -- Today's the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://gamma.isi.edu/pipermail/6bone/attachments/20040420/94ae7227/attachment.bin From haesu at towardex.com Tue Apr 20 09:14:49 2004 From: haesu at towardex.com (James) Date: Tue Apr 20 09:15:47 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420100731.558BE90EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> References: <1082450405.18432.200.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040420100731.558BE90EDF@main.ipv6.net.au> Message-ID: <20040420161449.GA68616@scylla.towardex.com> Hello, We provide transit to a couple tunnel brokers, and smaller ipv6 networks. Generally, most of the user traffic on our network (including from downstream tunnelbrokers) are european efnet irc servers being the most popular. the 2nd most popular appears to be http traffic to some popular v6 sites such as kame.net, for those who is reading up for ipv6 documentation, learning and what not.. i'm not implying this is bad by at all but just reproting what i see, on our network. most people appear to have ipv6 just to try out the new protocol and learn about it, but then when they try to actually use it for real content, there aren't any. i'd like to have some sort of data similar to netflow available in the near future as we get some time in our hands.. hopefully.. -J On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:06:52PM +1000, Peter Good wrote: > Mostly, it's home user stuff, just people getting it for the fact of "having > it". I think though, that once more content is available V6 only, then it > should become more popular. > > It's a start though. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeroen Massar [mailto:jeroen@unfix.org] > Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 6:40 PM > To: Gert Doering > Cc: Peter Good; 'Anand Kumria'; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > Subject: Re: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) > > On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 10:32, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 06:28:13PM +1000, Peter Good wrote: > > > One wonders why AARNET isn't listed there. > > > > What address range are they using? I just did a grep for "-AU-" in > > the allocation list - if they are registered in some other country, > > this won't find em. > > I have the following list (based on the country: attribute ;) ) > > http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/all/?country=au > > 2001:210::/35 CONNECT-AU-19990916 (not in routing table) > 2001:360::/32 V6TELSTAINTERNET-AU-20011211 > 2001:388::/32 AARNET-IPV6-20020117 > 2001:c78::/32 NTTIP-AU-20020910 > 2001:db0::/32 DATAFX-AU-2003112 > 2001:e28::/32 PI-AU-20040102 (not in routing table) > 3ffe:8000::/28 TRUMPET/AU > > > > Anyway, there's lots of tunnels > > > in AU too :) Personally I've got about 60 floating about, interest > > > is growing. (Yes I am subbed off one of the ones listed hehe). > > > > This is promising. > > Any insight on what the usage trend is for these tunnels? > Applications/traffic/... ? > > Greets, > Jeroen > > > _______________________________________________ > 6bone mailing list > 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone -- James Jun TowardEX Technologies, Inc. Technical Lead Network Design, Consulting, IT Outsourcing james@towardex.com Boston-based Colocation & Bandwidth Services cell: 1(978)-394-2867 web: http://www.towardex.com , noc: www.twdx.net From cfaber at fpsn.net Tue Apr 20 13:52:28 2004 From: cfaber at fpsn.net (Colin Faber) Date: Tue Apr 20 13:54:24 2004 Subject: [6bone] US based IPv6 Tunnel providers Message-ID: <40858D8C.9020802@fpsn.net> Hi folks, I'm wondering if any of you know of or operate any US based tunnels. Currently I'm using HE.NET's service however recently I've been having MAJOR problems and am now looking for an alternative. This is because HE.NET's service has become unreliable for IPv6 technology development. If anyone has any suggestions or recommendations I would love to hear from you. Thanks. -- Colin Faber FPSN.Net Development staff email: cfaber@fpsn.net From louis.lasnier at bell.ca Wed Apr 21 12:50:33 2004 From: louis.lasnier at bell.ca (louis.lasnier@bell.ca) Date: Wed Apr 21 12:52:23 2004 Subject: [6bone] RE : 6bone Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5 Message-ID: <5093BAE2EF84D74D98A14820F3C57B500D4294@Toroondc912> HI M. Faber Maybe you could consider a Bell Canada access charged in Canadian funds. I'm sure we can give you a very good service. Louis R. Lasnier -----Message d'origine----- De?: 6bone-bounces@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-bounces@mailman.isi.edu] De la part de 6bone-request@mailman.isi.edu Envoy??: 21 avril, 2004 15:00 ??: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu Objet?: 6bone Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5 Send 6bone mailing list submissions to 6bone@mailman.isi.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 6bone-request@mailman.isi.edu You can reach the person managing the list at 6bone-owner@mailman.isi.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of 6bone digest..." Today's Topics: 1. US based IPv6 Tunnel providers (Colin Faber) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:52:28 -0600 From: Colin Faber Subject: [6bone] US based IPv6 Tunnel providers To: 6bone@ISI.EDU Message-ID: <40858D8C.9020802@fpsn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi folks, I'm wondering if any of you know of or operate any US based tunnels. Currently I'm using HE.NET's service however recently I've been having MAJOR problems and am now looking for an alternative. This is because HE.NET's service has become unreliable for IPv6 technology development. If anyone has any suggestions or recommendations I would love to hear from you. Thanks. -- Colin Faber FPSN.Net Development staff email: cfaber@fpsn.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ 6bone mailing list 6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone End of 6bone Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5 *********************************** From mrp at mrp.net Thu Apr 22 07:27:43 2004 From: mrp at mrp.net (Mark Prior) Date: Thu Apr 22 07:28:35 2004 Subject: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> Message-ID: <4087D65F.3000706@mrp.net> Gert Doering wrote: > If I check the RIPE IPv6 allocation page, I can see 5 allocations in > .au - this is not very much, but it's definitely a start: > > CONNECT-AU-19990916 2001:0210::/35 > V6TELSTRAINTERNET-AU-20011211 2001:0360::/32 > NTTIP-AU-20020910 2001:0C78::/32 > DATAFX-AU-20031112 2001:0DB0::/32 > PI-AU-20040102 2001:0E28::/32 Your list is missing AARNet :-) Mark. From lathiat at sixlabs.org Thu Apr 22 09:21:17 2004 From: lathiat at sixlabs.org (Trent Lathiat Lloyd) Date: Thu Apr 22 09:23:05 2004 Subject: IPv6 in au was: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040420081734.GH4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> <20040420081734.GH4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <20040422162116.GA22479@sixlabs.org> The WA Internet Exchange (WAIX - waia.asn.au) now has an ipv6 router with a few user tunnels (routing AARNet provided space) as well as peering for ISPs, that said there doesn't seem to be too much interest at the moment. They also have some IX-ONLY allocated address space. Perhaps a community effort could be started to get some more ipv6 backbone in australia, if people (myself, anand kumria, progsoc, aarnet), etc contribute, perhaps we can get some real address space, hand it out, and try to get more exchanges (PIPE, etc) into peering it. Cheers, Trent Sixlabs > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 09:13:11AM +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:47:02AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote: > > > I only have 6bone address space and 'production IPv6 address space' is > > > unlikely to roll to .au around by 06/06/2006. > > > > Why? APNIC has the same IPv6 allocation rules as RIPE, and there is > > already *lots* of official IPv6 space in the AP region. > > I don't know why. None of my various providers support IPv6 at present. > > And yes people are asking. They eventually seem to contact me and get > some 6bone space or use he.net. > > > If I check the RIPE IPv6 allocation page, I can see 5 allocations in > > .au - this is not very much, but it's definitely a start: > > > > CONNECT-AU-19990916 2001:0210::/35 > > PI-AU-20040102 2001:0E28::/32 > > Neither of these are being routed. > > > V6TELSTRAINTERNET-AU-20011211 2001:0360::/32 > > Experimental tunnel service for around a year now. Probably, well > according to the FAQ, it is being re-evaluated at the moment. > > > NTTIP-AU-20020910 2001:0C78::/32 > > Unsure what their allocation policy/strategy is. > > > DATAFX-AU-20031112 2001:0DB0::/32 > > Providing tunnels to customers. > > The rate of allocation is increasingly (4, 15, 1, 8, 14, 2 months > between them) shorter but still won't cover much of the .au ISPs by > 2006. > > Cheers, > Anand > > -- > `` All actions take place in time by the interweaving of the > forces of Nature; but the man lost in selfish delusion thinks > that he himself is the actor.'' > Lord Krishna to Arjuna in _The Bhagavad Gita_ > _______________________________________________ > 6bone mailing list > 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone -- [ Trent "Lathiat" Lloyd lathi@sixlabs.org ]/ "You sure as hell shouldn't be \ [ tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh'e www.sixlabs.org ]| fingering my toaster" -Linus | [ GPG Key Id: 0x04AB3C5D www.bur.st ]| Torvalds, LCA2003 Speakers dinner| [ IPv6 Conference http://conf.sixlabs.org ]\ talking about ipv6 with me / From gert at space.net Fri Apr 23 06:27:22 2004 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Fri Apr 23 06:28:37 2004 Subject: IPv6 in au was: [6bone] e.f.f.3.ip6.arpa status ? (16 April 2004 - try #3) In-Reply-To: <20040422162116.GA22479@sixlabs.org> References: <1082131468.18432.59.camel@segesta.zurich.ibm.com> <20040419104923.GC24506@bfib.colo.bit.nl> <20040419192311.GA46637@scylla.towardex.com> <20040419200817.GF13090@Space.Net> <20040420014701.GA4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> <20040420071311.GH13090@Space.Net> <20040420081734.GH4992@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> <20040422162116.GA22479@sixlabs.org> Message-ID: <20040423132721.GQ13090@Space.Net> Hi, On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 12:21:17AM +0800, Trent Lathiat Lloyd wrote: > Perhaps a community effort could be started to get some more ipv6 > backbone in australia, if people (myself, anand kumria, progsoc, aarnet), etc > contribute, perhaps we can get some real address space, hand it out, and > try to get more exchanges (PIPE, etc) into peering it. That's exactly the way things got started in Germany... mostly "enthusiastic individuals getting things done". Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 60210 (58081) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 From john at silverhighway.com Fri Apr 23 13:28:58 2004 From: john at silverhighway.com (John Andrews) Date: Fri Apr 23 13:32:04 2004 Subject: [6bone] Some dumb questions Message-ID: <002601c42971$9b2939b0$c801a8c0@DFNWDW31> As a relative newbie to IPv6 I have to ask dumb questions. 1. How easy is it to setup an IPv6 host for DNS? 2. How do I add an AAAA record into DNS? 3. Is it possible for an IPv6 host to find an IPv4 host using DNS? 4. Is it possible for an IPv4 host to find an IPv6 host using DNS? 5. There must be some sort of gateway between IPv4 and IPv6 to allow two-way communication. How is this done? 6. Is it possible to setup an IPv6-only mail server? How does the mail exchanger record work in this case? 7. Is it possible to setup an IPv6-DNS server? 8. Where do I find resources on IPv6 autoconfiguration and how to set it up? 9. Are there IPv6 DHCP/bootp servers available and what software do they use? Thanks John Andrews -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.isi.edu/pipermail/6bone/attachments/20040423/1e97498b/attachment.html From chuck+6bone at snew.com Fri Apr 23 23:17:03 2004 From: chuck+6bone at snew.com (Chuck Yerkes) Date: Fri Apr 23 23:17:23 2004 Subject: [6bone] Some dumb questions In-Reply-To: <002601c42971$9b2939b0$c801a8c0@DFNWDW31> References: <002601c42971$9b2939b0$c801a8c0@DFNWDW31> Message-ID: <20040424061703.GA8693@2004.snew.com> Quoting John Andrews (john@silverhighway.com): > As a relative newbie to IPv6 I have to ask dumb questions. A boss taught me: "There is no dumb question. Except for what you're about to ask me now" (I quit that job) > 1. How easy is it to setup an IPv6 host for DNS? Simple. foo.example.com IN AAAA 3ffe:666:1:6::2 > 2. How do I add an AAAA record into DNS? See above. > 3. Is it possible for an IPv6 host to find an IPv4 host using DNS? Sure, in DNS. > 4. Is it possible for an IPv4 host to find an IPv6 host using DNS? Sure, in DNS. > 5. There must be some sort of gateway between IPv4 and IPv6 to allow two-way communication. How is this done? Depends on OS. > 6. Is it possible to setup an IPv6-only mail server? How does the mail exchanger record work in this case? Yes. (below) > 7. Is it possible to setup an IPv6-DNS server? Sure, why not? > 8. Where do I find resources on IPv6 autoconfiguration and how to set it up? Depends on OS somewhat. Books to. > 9. Are there IPv6 DHCP/bootp servers available and what software do they use? Dunno, seems kinda redundant to lots of the autoconf stuff. okay, I have a machine with IPv6 running on it. It may be able to reach 6 hosts on the internet, or might be isolated on my internal LAN. I want to ssh to "host.example.com" my ssh will look for an AAAA record for "host.example.com" Found? -> try to connect to it? Connected? -> done. If *either* of those fail, then back down to IPv4. Easy. I have 2 hosts on a segment using 6 they will, if their client speaks it (smtp, ssh, dsn, telnet, sql, whatever), use IPv6. If the client (nfs on many OSs) doesn't, it will use IPv4. Hey, my whole segment is using IPv6! And across the router (which can use IPv6, another segment has IPv6. we'll all talk IPv6 happily and IPv4 to the other segments (see, we can SLOWLY introduce IPv6 to a network). Hey, the whole damn LAN has IPv6 (except perhaps for those stupid Jetdirect cards and that 1991 terminal server (this would be my house)). Some machines use IPv4 for NFS (that's ok), but about everything else if IPv6. I go out the gateway and *it* speaks IPv6 to 6bone machines. But I have "faithd" running (BSD) to translate IPv4 requests down to IPv4. All the IPv4 addresses are inside a small chunk of the IPv6 address space. (what's 32 bits when we have 128?).