[6bone] Getting ISPs to use IPv6

[Trent Lloyd]

At 10:48 PM 4/03/2003 +0800, Ethern Lin wrote:
>Dear Trent,
>
>You can try FreeBSD. It can provide what you need.
>Try stf interface.

Are you referring to connecting via 6to4, or running an 6to4 relay router 
so everyone else can relay through me?


>BR.
>
>Ethern
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Trent Lloyd" <trent@irc-desk.net>
>To: "Jeroen Massar" <jeroen@unfix.org>; "'Michael Richardson'"
><mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca>; <6bone@ISI.EDU>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:41 PM
>Subject: RE: [6bone] Getting ISPs to use IPv6
>
>
> > What software exists for 6to4 relay-routing
> >
> > I think 6to4 is great personally [use it with Windows XP at home]
> >
> > It be interested in having a shot at setting one up/.
> >
> > At 09:41 PM 3/03/2003 +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> > >Michael Richardson wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, there are two ways to get /48s that you can use.
> > > >
> > > > 1) from places like freenet6 or xs6.
> > > > 2) via 6to4.
> > > >
> > > > The problem with freenet6-type things is that they depend upon tunnels
> > > > to places that aren't necessarily that well connected. xs6 is
> > > > much better, but not perfect.
> > > >
> > > > But, you can't advertise 6to4 addresses to the DFZ. You could do so
> > > > via private peering arrangements, but the peer could as
> > > > easily configure a 6to4 interface, and you wouldn't need to IPv6 peer
> > >at all.
> > > >
> > > > The problem with 6to4 is ironic - traffic to any other 6to4
> > > > peer is very efficient - following the IPv4 routing table. The problem
> > >is
> > > > that 6bone is SO POORLY CONNECTED from the 6to4 user's point of view.
> > >
> > >
> > >One first should differentiate between "6bone IPv6" and "Production
> > >IPv6".
> > >Though there are sites using 6bone space that qualify for "Production".
> > >A better way to describe it is when a site is MIPP compliant or not,
> > >see:
> > >http://ip6.de.easynet.net/ipv6-minimum-peering.txt
> > >
> > >Users won't want to only access the 6bone they want to access the
> > >IPv6 enabled internet, of which 6bone is only a small, but significant
> > >part.
> > >
> > > > A lot of purists want to run IPv6 natively, and don't seem to
> > > > care about connecting to actual end users... result, no traffic on the
> > >
> > > > native backbone.
> > >
> > >The problem with connecting end-users is the infra in between which
> > >mostly
> > >consists of hardware which simply doesn't support IPv6.
> > >In my case the 'problem' is a Redback SMS 1800, I got native IPv4 over
> > >ADSL,
> > >but those SMS's don't understand IPv6 at all. But using a 6in4 tunnel it
> > >only adds ~2ms to my latency as it crosses the IX, so that isn't that
> > >bad.
> > >
> > >Fortunatly there are a number of transition methods to overcome those
> > >problems.
> > >
> > > > So, we need more sites people on the 6bone that have local 6to4
> > > > encapsulators, and we need more 6to4 relays out there so that
> > > > the 6to4 end users can get things done efficiently. The question is
> > >how,
> > > > given that many ISPs are not interested in IPv6 at all yet.
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking of putting together a machine for a local IX that would
> > > > advertise the 6to4 anycast address. The issue is what do you
> > > > do with the resulting IPv6 packets?  You have to get IPv6 transit from
> > >somewhere.
> > > > In some cases, it may well be available for low cost. Not at our IX.
> > >
> > >Effectively this is what we are doing with SixXS, a LIR can come to us*,
> > >and we'll fix them up with a POP from which they can provision their
> > >users
> > >to get them connected to IPv6. This currently only is done using 6in4
> > >tunnels
> > >but the system is capable of doing other methods (ppp over ssh, to name
> > >one ;)
> > >The autoconfig tool, which also allows dailup/non-static, non-24/7 users
> > >to benefit from this, is currently in internal beta.
> > >
> > >Currently IPv6 "transit" isn't a big problem as most sites will happily
> > >do it
> > >for free, ofcourse in certain limits. So one doesn't have to worry about
> > >that.
> > >Just make sure you are at a IX where some other ISP's do IPv6 and your
> > >off.
> > >For 'better' connectivity one can ofcourse make a few tunnels to remote
> > >sites.
> > >Though one should stay inside the specs given in the MIPP draft.
> > >
> > >Note that this talk and related have been held last month on the v6ops
> > >mailing
> > >list mainly because it is 'bigger' than the 6bone.
> > >
> > >Greets,
> > >  Jeroen
> > >
> > >* = http://www.sixxs.net/pops/requirements/
> > >(and no, it doesn't cost anything except for some traffic and some
> > >hardware for the POP)
> > >
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