[6bone] RE: Content of 6bone digest, Vol 1 #446

noor al huda baby_boo_u@hotmail.com
Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:11:08 +0400


<html><div style='background-color:'><P><BR>well everyone..I am a bit confused here...if the IPv6 and 6bone are under experimentation uptil now..how come there are IPv6 routers or 6bone routers available?..</P>
<P>as it was mentioned in the internetnew.com website...the pentagon suspects that IPv6 will be presented publically in the year 2008..(with all my respect to you all.)..</P>
<P>could some one clarify this to me please?</P>
<P>thanx, </P>
<P>noor_al_huda<BR></P><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>Keep in touch <IMG height=19 src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emwink.gif" width=19></DIV>&gt;From: 6bone-request@mailman.isi.edu &gt;Reply-To: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt;To: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt;Subject: 6bone digest, Vol 1 #446 - 13 msgs &gt;Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:10:09 -0800 (PST) &gt; &gt;Send 6bone mailing list submissions to &gt; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt; &gt;To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit &gt; http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone &gt;or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to &gt; 6bone-request@mailman.isi.edu &gt; &gt;You can reach the person managing the list at &gt; 6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu &gt; &gt;When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific &gt;than "Re: Contents of 6bone digest..." &gt; &gt; &gt;Today's Topics: &gt; &gt; 1. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 (J. Miracle) &gt; 2. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 (Nicolas DEFFAYET) &gt; 3. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 (Gert Doering) &gt; 4. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 (Pim van Pelt) &gt; 5. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 (Christian Nickel) &gt; 6. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December &gt; 2003 (Bob Fink) &gt; 7. Cleansing 6bone (Was: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003) (Jeroen Massar) &gt; 8. Re: doubt about protocol independent Ping. (Antonio Querubin) &gt; 9. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 (Dan Reeder) &gt; 10. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 (Antonio Querubin) &gt; 11. Re: pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 (Tim Chown) &gt; 12. Re: winding down and returns? (Tim Chown) &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 1 &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:46:50 -0500 &gt;From: "J. Miracle" <MATRIX@MIRACLE1.NET>&gt;To: Nicolas DEFFAYET <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>&gt;Cc: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA 
request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt;Organization: Miracle1 Systems &gt; &gt;On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:47:20 +0100 &gt;Nicolas DEFFAYET <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>wrote: [Message-ID: 1071690440.26093.153.camel@w1-aub.fr.corp.ndsoftware.com] &gt; &gt;ND&gt; On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 19:32, Bob Fink wrote: &gt;ND&gt; 6bone Folk, &gt;ND&gt; &gt;ND&gt; &gt; CTN1 has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully &gt;ND&gt; &gt; compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this closes 16 December &gt;ND&gt; &gt; 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. &gt;ND&gt; &gt; &gt;ND&gt; &gt; <HTTP: www.ctn1.com>&gt;ND&gt; &gt; &gt;ND&gt; &gt; This may be the last 6bone pTLA allocation made as the phaseout plan &gt;ND&gt; &gt; specifies no new pTLA allocations after the end of this year. Thus if &gt;ND&gt; &gt; anyone is expecting to request a pTLA, the request must be sent to me no &gt;ND&gt; &gt; later than 5 December to allow enough review and approval time prior to 31 &gt;ND&gt; &gt; December. &gt;ND&gt; &gt;ND&gt; The community must be open about this request. &gt; &gt;I believe the community has been very open with this request. &gt; &gt;ND&gt; &gt;ND&gt; This is the last pTLA request, I think that we can allocate this pTLA. &gt;ND&gt; Closing the pTLA allocation period with a request denied don't promote &gt;ND&gt; IPv6 usage and is not good for the community. CTN1 want promote the &gt;ND&gt; IPv6, i'm agree they are very just with the time, but with deny of this &gt;ND&gt; request they can't promote IPv6 usage and they can't offer free and high &gt;ND&gt; quality IPv6 services to their customers. &gt;ND&gt; &gt; &gt;I believe upholding the policies on which the 6BONE was founded for making any decisions related &gt;to this manner is exactly what we should expect, and exactly what we got. Might I ask why you say &gt;they could offer 'high quality' IPv6 services with only one IPv6 transit uplink? &gt; &gt;ND&gt; Open your eyes, not all pTLA request respect fully RFC2772. &gt;ND
&gt; There is a problem with this request, because some people want troll &gt;ND&gt; about it. &gt; &gt;If pTLA requests don't conform to RFC2772 they should not be allocated a pTLA. &gt; &gt;ND&gt; &gt;ND&gt; I don't work for CTN1, CTN1 is just a partner for NDSoftware. We help &gt;ND&gt; CTN1 in its IPv6 deploiement. &gt;ND&gt; &gt; &gt;If CTN1 is truly a partner of NDSOFTWARE why are you not allocating them address space. &gt;ND was allocated a /32 for this purpose, were they not? &gt; &gt;ND&gt; Please note that for get a sTLA from RIPE, the requester must be a LIR, &gt;ND&gt; (a cost of ~ 4500 EUR). It's a very high cost for promote IPv6 and offer &gt;ND&gt; free IPv6 services with a minimum of quality and independance.... &gt;ND&gt; &gt;ND&gt; Thanks for have read my mail, i wait your comments. &gt;ND&gt; &gt;ND&gt; Best Regards, &gt;ND&gt; &gt;ND&gt; -- &gt;ND&gt; Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware &gt;ND&gt; NDSoftware IP Network: http://www.ip.ndsoftware.net/ &gt;ND&gt; FNIX6 (French National Internet Exchange IPv6): http://www.fnix6.net/ &gt;ND&gt; EuroNOG: http://www.euronog.org/ &gt;ND&gt; &gt;ND&gt; _______________________________________________ &gt;ND&gt; 6bone mailing list &gt;ND&gt; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt;ND&gt; http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone &gt; &gt;Thanks, &gt;J. Miracle &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 2 &gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt;From: Nicolas DEFFAYET <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>&gt;To: "J. Miracle" <MATRIX@MIRACLE1.NET>&gt;Cc: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt;Organization: NDSoftware &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:17:19 +0100 &gt; &gt;On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 21:46, J. Miracle wrote: &gt; &gt; On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:47:20 +0100 &gt; &gt; Nicolas DEFFAYET <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>wrote: &gt; &gt; ND&gt; &gt; &gt; ND&gt; This is the last pTLA request, I think that we can allocate this pTLA. &gt; &gt; ND&gt; Closing the pTLA allocation period with a request denied don't promote &gt; &gt; ND&gt; IPv6 usage and is not g
ood for the community. CTN1 want promote the &gt; &gt; ND&gt; IPv6, i'm agree they are very just with the time, but with deny of this &gt; &gt; ND&gt; request they can't promote IPv6 usage and they can't offer free and high &gt; &gt; ND&gt; quality IPv6 services to their customers. &gt; &gt; ND&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I believe upholding the policies on which the 6BONE was founded for making any decisions related &gt; &gt; to this manner is exactly what we should expect, and exactly what we got. Might I ask why you say &gt; &gt; they could offer 'high quality' IPv6 services with only one IPv6 transit uplink? &gt; &gt;They will have a second IPv6 transit uplink when they have a pTLA. The &gt;second transit provider don't want open BGP session without pTLA/sTLA. &gt; &gt; &gt; ND&gt; Open your eyes, not all pTLA request respect fully RFC2772. &gt; &gt; ND&gt; There is a problem with this request, because some people want troll &gt; &gt; ND&gt; about it. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If pTLA requests don't conform to RFC2772 they should not be allocated a pTLA. &gt; &gt;Please read the archive before ! &gt;When you have pTLA allocated with unassigned ASN, only one contact &gt;person,... Are this pTLA conform to RFC2772 ? Why they have been &gt;allocated ? &gt; &gt; &gt; ND&gt; &gt; &gt; ND&gt; I don't work for CTN1, CTN1 is just a partner for NDSoftware. We help &gt; &gt; ND&gt; CTN1 in its IPv6 deploiement. &gt; &gt; ND&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If CTN1 is truly a partner of NDSOFTWARE why are you not allocating them address space. &gt; &gt; ND was allocated a /32 for this purpose, were they not? &gt; &gt;It's not a problem of address space size, when you request a pTLA it's &gt;for be independent and present in worldwide routing table. &gt; &gt;A lot of pTLA allocated have never make end-user assignement... &gt;Why a pTLA request for make end-user assignement must be denied because &gt;the requester can use the upstream address space ? &gt; &gt;-- &gt;Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware &gt;NDSoftware IP Network: http://www.ip.ndso
ftware.net/ &gt;FNIX6 (French National Internet Exchange IPv6): http://www.fnix6.net/ &gt;EuroNOG: http://www.euronog.org/ &gt; &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 3 &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:26:57 +0100 &gt;From: Gert Doering <GERT@SPACE.NET>&gt;To: Nicolas DEFFAYET <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>&gt;Cc: Bob Fink <BOB@THEFINKS.COM>, 6BONE List &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt;, &gt; Marc GOMEZ <MG@CTN1.COM>&gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt; &gt;Hi, &gt; &gt;On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:47:20PM +0100, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote: &gt; &gt; The community must be open about this request. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This is the last pTLA request, I think that we can allocate this pTLA. &gt; &gt; Closing the pTLA allocation period with a request denied don't promote &gt; &gt; IPv6 usage &gt; &gt;It won't promote *6bone* usage, and we don't *want* to promote 6bone. &gt; &gt;6bone is dead, face it. A number of the bigger european NRENs do not even &gt;route 3FFE space anymore. &gt; &gt;[..] &gt; &gt; Open your eyes, not all pTLA request respect fully RFC2772. &gt; &gt; There is a problem with this request, because some people want troll &gt; &gt; about it. &gt; &gt;Nothing in CTN1's setup fulfill's proper technical standards for an &gt;IPv6 pTLA holder. &gt; &gt;[..] &gt; &gt; Please note that for get a sTLA from RIPE, the requester must be a LIR, &gt; &gt; (a cost of ~ 4500 EUR). It's a very high cost for promote IPv6 and offer &gt; &gt; free IPv6 services with a minimum of quality and independance.... &gt; &gt;Just take upstream space then. CTN1 could use some from NDSOFTWARE, &gt;for example. &gt; &gt;(Just to drive home the point: 6bone space will *not* provide quality &gt;IPv6 services, as *people do not route it*) &gt; &gt;Gert Doering &gt; -- NetMaster &gt;-- &gt;Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 57386 (57785) &gt; &gt;SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net &gt;Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 &gt;80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299 
&gt; &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 4 &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:48:23 +0100 &gt;From: Pim van Pelt <PIM@IPNG.NL>&gt;To: Bob Fink <BOB@THEFINKS.COM>&gt;Cc: 6BONE List &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt;, Marc GOMEZ <MG@CTN1.COM>&gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt; &gt;Hi, &gt; &gt;| CTN1 has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully &gt;| compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this closes 16 December &gt;| 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. &gt;Even though I've had my say already, I would like to repeat myself. &gt; &gt;There were some serious holes in the application as pointed out previously &gt;by some folk. After this, there were no clear signs that the situation &gt;improved and I find it very strange that a third party is answering &gt;questions regarding the pTLA request and not the requestor. As a matter of &gt;fact, the whole thread was CC:ed to Mr. Gomez and he did not answer a single &gt;question. &gt; &gt;It is my honest opinion (and I have been fair in the past) that this &gt;company is not ready to be granted custody of a pTLA. &gt; &gt;With regards to this being the last one: it should not be an issue that &gt;the last request was denied. People who state differently are not thinking &gt;straight. &gt; &gt;groet, &gt;Pim &gt; &gt;-- &gt;---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- &gt;Pim van Pelt Email: pim@ipng.nl &gt;http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment &gt;----------------------------------------------- &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 5 &gt;From: "Christian Nickel" <DRAGON@TDOI.ORG>&gt;To: "Nicolas DEFFAYET" <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>, &gt; "Bob Fink" <BOB@THEFINKS.COM>&gt;Cc: "6BONE List" &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt;, "Marc GOMEZ" <MG@CTN1.COM>&gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:54:16 +0100 &gt; &gt;From: "Nicolas DEFFAYET" <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>&gt;Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:47 PM &gt;Subject: R
e: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 19:32, Bob Fink wrote: &gt; &gt; 6bone Folk, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; CTN1 has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully &gt; &gt; &gt; compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this closes 16 &gt;December &gt; &gt; &gt; 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <HTTP: www.ctn1.com>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This may be the last 6bone pTLA allocation made as the phaseout plan &gt; &gt; &gt; specifies no new pTLA allocations after the end of this year. Thus if &gt; &gt; &gt; anyone is expecting to request a pTLA, the request must be sent to me no &gt; &gt; &gt; later than 5 December to allow enough review and approval time prior to &gt;31 &gt; &gt; &gt; December. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The community must be open about this request. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This is the last pTLA request, I think that we can allocate this pTLA. &gt; &gt; Closing the pTLA allocation period with a request denied don't promote &gt; &gt; IPv6 usage and is not good for the community. CTN1 want promote the &gt; &gt; IPv6, i'm agree they are very just with the time, but with deny of this &gt; &gt; request they can't promote IPv6 usage and they can't offer free and high &gt; &gt; quality IPv6 services to their customers. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Open your eyes, not all pTLA request respect fully RFC2772. &gt; &gt; There is a problem with this request, because some people want troll &gt; &gt; about it. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I don't work for CTN1, CTN1 is just a partner for NDSoftware. We help &gt; &gt; CTN1 in its IPv6 deploiement. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please note that for get a sTLA from RIPE, the requester must be a LIR, &gt; &gt; (a cost of ~ 4500 EUR). It's a very high cost for promote IPv6 and offer &gt; &gt; free IPv6 services with a minimum of quality and independance.... &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for have read my mail, i wait your comments. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;I do _not_ agree
 to the pTLA request until CTN1 let us know a bit more about &gt;what their plans are. &gt; &gt;e.g., IF they DO have plans to operate a large scaled IPv6 Network, WHY is &gt;it &gt;impossible to become a LIR and get REAL IPv6 address space. &gt;"I have put 1.000.000 EUR. I respect your job respect my company!!!" &gt;So, there shouldn't be a fincancial problem in this case. &gt; &gt;As Gert said, 6bone is (nearly) dead, and is not a place to provide &gt;commercial &gt;services to customers. So, which research projects does CTN1 support and/or &gt;provide? &gt; &gt;I think we've read enough chitchat by Mr. NDSOFTWARE, and I'm awaiting &gt;eagerly &gt;a statement by CTN1. &gt; &gt; &gt;Greets, &gt;Christian Nickel &gt; &gt;------------------------------------------ &gt;TDOI Network | www.tdoi.org | noc@tdoi.org &gt; &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 6 &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:51:44 -0800 &gt;To: 6BONE List &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt; &gt;From: Bob Fink <BOB@THEFINKS.COM>&gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December &gt; 2003 &gt; &gt;6bone Folk, &gt; &gt;I have denied the CTN1 pTLA request as of today. I do wish Marc Gomez and &gt;CTN1 well in providing IPv6 transport to the customers of CTN1, and do hope &gt;Marc will pursue a production prefix from RIPE. &gt; &gt;I did not deny this request lightly, and did ask various follow up &gt;questions. I remained concerned about the inability to even reach the CTN1 &gt;web site or find a AAAA record in its DNS until today (or at least &gt;intermittently so). In my opinion it is unlikely that CTN1 really provided &gt;all the required services for the full 3 month period required. If we &gt;weren't at the end of 6bone prefix allocation, I would have encouraged Marc &gt;to wait a little longer until he clearly established operational experience &gt;in IPv6 for CTN1 sufficient to qualify for a pTLA. Alas, we are out of time &gt;and no more 6bone pTLA prefixes will be allocated. &gt; &gt;Regardless of the cost to acquire production prefi
xes from the RIRs, &gt;clearly it isn't all that hard as there are almost 500 prefixes allocated &gt;now, more than half (274) of which come from RIPE. Compare this to the &gt;current 123 6bone pTLA prefixes allocated and it is clear that the time for &gt;an early experimental method to distribute IPv6 addresses is past. &gt; &gt;I want to thank everyone who has participated in this pTLA review, on both &gt;sides, for your comments. &gt; &gt; &gt;Thanks, &gt; &gt;Bob Fink &gt; &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 7 &gt;From: "Jeroen Massar" <JEROEN@UNFIX.ORG>&gt;To: "'Nicolas DEFFAYET'" <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>&gt;Cc: &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt; &gt;Subject: Cleansing 6bone (Was: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003) &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:43:05 +0100 &gt;Organization: Unfix &gt; &gt;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- &gt; &gt;[Real problems, private ASN's etc, at the about 50% of the mail] &gt; &gt;Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote: &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ND&gt; Open your eyes, not all pTLA request respect fully RFC2772. &gt; &gt; &gt; ND&gt; There is a problem with this request, because some people want troll &gt; &gt; &gt; ND&gt; about it. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If pTLA requests don't conform to RFC2772 they should not &gt; &gt; &gt; be allocated a pTLA. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please read the archive before ! &gt; &gt; When you have pTLA allocated with unassigned ASN, only one contact &gt; &gt; person,... Are this pTLA conform to RFC2772 ? Why they have been &gt; &gt; allocated ? &gt; &gt;I totally agree with you Nico, 6bone should be reclaiming space &gt;that is not actively maintained any more. &gt; &gt;We will start by pointing out one of the newer prefixes, yours: &gt; &gt;$ whois -h whois.6bone.net 3FFE:4013::/32 &gt; &gt;netname: FR-NDSOFTWARE-20021110 &gt;descr: NDSoftware IP Network &gt;country: FR &gt;admin-c: NN175-RIPE &gt;tech-c: NN175-RIPE &gt;rev-srv: ns1.ndsoftware.net &gt;rev-srv: ns2.ndsoftware.net &gt;rev-srv: ns3.ndsoftware.net &gt;notify: noc@ndsoftware.ne
t &gt;mnt-by: MNT-NDSOFTWARE &gt;changed: nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net 20021110 &gt;changed: nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net 20031206 &gt;source: 6BONE &gt; &gt;Let me see, 1 contact person, not even a 6bone handle, &gt;but that is allowed and it's probably cooler to register &gt;6bone objects in the wrong registry. &gt; &gt;Could your staff (or you yourself) fix this as per &gt;RFC2772, which you just commented about? Aka you might &gt;want to add 2 more contacts, who are not you. &gt; &gt;Don't complain about other TLA's when you cannot even &gt;fix maintain own or that of your company. &gt; &gt;Ofcourse you are completely correct, this should be &gt;fixed as soon as possible. &gt; &gt;Fortunatly for the owners of these prefixes there hasn't &gt;been a real witch hunt for these problems and I suspect &gt;there never will be. 6bone is testspace and problems are &gt;allowed to happen. Ofcourse they should be fixed asap and &gt;the only way of doing that is contacting the relevant. &gt; &gt;I would like to point people out to <SHAMELESS selfplug>: &gt;http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ &gt; &gt;Current problems, which really should not be there: &gt; &gt;2001:d10::/32 AS64600 is reserved &gt;2001:d30::/32 Multiple Origin ASN's (2500,4717) &gt;2002:c2b1:d06e::/48 More specific 6to4 prefix (194.177.208.110/32) from AS5408 &gt;2002:c8a2::/33 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.162.0.0/17) from AS15180 &gt;2002:c8c6:4000::/34 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.198.64.0/18) from AS15180 &gt;2002:c8ca:7000::/36 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.202.112.0/20) from AS15180 &gt;3ffe:1300::/24 Mismatching origin ASN, should be 762 (now: 10318) &gt;3ffe:2200::/24 Ghost Route (18/12) &gt;3ffe:3500::/24 AS64600 and AS64702 are reserved &gt;3ffe:8030::/28 Ghost Route (20/12) &gt; &gt;6bone does affect RIPE space as you can see from the above list. &gt; &gt;btw AS10318, if *anybody* has a contact there, please ask them to &gt;respond to the list or privatly. Any peers still peering with them &gt;please consider to depeer as they have been 
unreachable for over &gt;a year now. &gt; &gt;<SNIP> &gt; &gt; &gt; A lot of pTLA allocated have never make end-user assignement... &gt; &gt;There is no requirement for making end-user assignments. &gt;6bone is a *test* bed, not a production environment. &gt;Though one of the methods for testing could be to test making &gt;end-user assignments and giving them access to the 6bone so &gt;that they can test how IPv6 works, thus making you test out &gt;whether your routing infrastructure works. That is the main &gt;goal for the 6bone: testing. Ofcourse it is needless to say &gt;that prefixes don't even have to be announced for this reason. &gt; &gt;Checking: http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/6bone/ &gt;8&lt;--------------------------------------------------------- &gt;The database currently holds 144 IPv6 TLA's. &gt;Of which 16 (11.11%) are returned to the pool, 16 (11.11%) &gt;IPv6 TLA's didn't have a routing entry. &gt;Thus 112 (77.78%) networks are currently announced. &gt;- ---------------------------------------------------------&gt;8 &gt; &gt;Unfortunatly we don't have data from way back when most of &gt;these where allocated, but this does show that some are &gt;not reachable. &gt; &gt; &gt; Why a pTLA request for make end-user assignement must be &gt; &gt; denied because the requester can use the upstream address space ? &gt; &gt;Indeed, quite strange that you need another pTLA then: &gt; &gt;$ whois -M 3ffe:4013::/32 |grep inet6num &gt; &gt;inet6num: 3FFE:4013:2207::/48 &gt;inet6num: 3FFE:4013:2105::/48 &gt;inet6num: 3FFE:4013:2300::/40 &gt;inet6num: 3FFE:4013:1000::/36 &gt;inet6num: 3FFE:4013:2104::/48 &gt; &gt;3 /48's a /40 for 'personal' use and a /36 for some other 'project'. &gt;You could btw with ease delegate some more space to CTN1, they &gt;have the same upstream and then they can test their commercial &gt;million euro webhosting. If you try to make your point then &gt;you really should have gotten your own act together first. &gt; &gt;Greets, &gt; Jeroen &gt; &gt;-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- &gt
;Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. &gt;Comment: Jeroen Massar / jeroen@unfix.org / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ &gt; &gt;iQA/AwUBP+Db7CmqKFIzPnwjEQI9EgCgva+RyN0Ha1KmEmq9APzMq8ei8aYAnjBQ &gt;sU6ObEhLDJlL3UDvDQxlS5Fx &gt;=/QjC &gt;-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- &gt; &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 8 &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:25:28 -1000 (HST) &gt;From: Antonio Querubin <TONY@LAVA.NET>&gt;To: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino <ITOJUN@ITOJUN.ORG>&gt;Cc: mamthabc@yahoo.co.in, 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] doubt about protocol independent Ping. &gt; &gt;On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: &gt; &gt; &gt; Stevens' book (TCP/IP network programming) has very old description of &gt; &gt; protocol independent programming, so do not refer it. rather, please &gt; &gt; refer the following: &gt; &gt; http://www.kame.net/newsletter/19980604/ &gt; &gt; http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/usenix2000/freenix/metzprotocol/ &gt; &gt;Steven's book has many detailed examples of coding in a protocol &gt;independent manner that continue to be applicable even today. The API &gt;hasn't changed that much in 5 years to make it the book so obsolete that &gt;it should no longer be referred to. While the above 2 articles talk about &gt;protocol independent issues, they're a bit sparse for reference use by &gt;someone learning a new API. &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 9 &gt;From: "Dan Reeder" <DAN@REEDER.NAME>&gt;To: "Nicolas DEFFAYET" <NICOLAS.DEFFAYET@NDSOFTWARE.NET>&gt;Cc: &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt; &gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt;Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:35:19 +1000 &gt; &gt; &gt; Please read the archive before ! &gt; &gt; When you have pTLA allocated with unassigned ASN, only one contact &gt; &gt; person,... Are this pTLA conform to RFC2772 ? Why they have been &gt; &gt; allocated ? &gt; &gt;Nicholas, you can't seem to get beyond the fact that just because something &gt;bad happened in the past that doesn't mean it should
 continue to happen. &gt;Just beacuse banks have been robbed in the past doesnt mean you should feel &gt;free to walk in and demand what you want today. &gt; &gt;The point is that those allocations were mistakes and shouldn't have been &gt;granted approval in the first place. Just like CTN1. &gt; &gt;Besides, as has been pointed out the 6bone is on its last legs. If CTN1 is &gt;such a well funded company (i'd love to have 1 million euros at my disposal) &gt;then I'm sure RIPE would be all ears. And if thats still not feasible, what &gt;is stopping NDSoftware from giving a /35 to them? You are partners, right? &gt; &gt;Dan Reeder &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 10 &gt;Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:37:42 -1000 (HST) &gt;From: Antonio Querubin <TONY@LAVA.NET>&gt;To: Bob Fink <BOB@THEFINKS.COM>&gt;Cc: 6BONE List &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt; &gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt; &gt;On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Bob Fink wrote: &gt; &gt; &gt; I want to thank everyone who has participated in this pTLA review, on both &gt; &gt; sides, for your comments. &gt; &gt;Thank YOU for all your time and effort in coordinating this aspect of the &gt;6bone project through the years :) &gt; &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 11 &gt;Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:26:28 +0000 &gt;From: Tim Chown <TJC@ECS.SOTON.AC.UK>&gt;To: 6BONE List &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt; &gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by CTN1 - review closes 16 December 2003 &gt; &gt;On reflection I think this request should be denied, because it does not &gt;meet the requirements, as highlighted by others on this list. I thus &gt;remove my previous support for the request. &gt; &gt;Tim &gt; &gt;On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:47:20PM +0100, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote: &gt; &gt; On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 19:32, Bob Fink wrote: &gt; &gt; 6bone Folk, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; CTN1 has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully &gt; &gt; &gt; compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this closes 16 December &gt;
 &gt; &gt; 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <HTTP: www.ctn1.com>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This may be the last 6bone pTLA allocation made as the phaseout plan &gt; &gt; &gt; specifies no new pTLA allocations after the end of this year. Thus if &gt; &gt; &gt; anyone is expecting to request a pTLA, the request must be sent to me no &gt; &gt; &gt; later than 5 December to allow enough review and approval time prior to 31 &gt; &gt; &gt; December. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The community must be open about this request. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This is the last pTLA request, I think that we can allocate this pTLA. &gt; &gt; Closing the pTLA allocation period with a request denied don't promote &gt; &gt; IPv6 usage and is not good for the community. CTN1 want promote the &gt; &gt; IPv6, i'm agree they are very just with the time, but with deny of this &gt; &gt; request they can't promote IPv6 usage and they can't offer free and high &gt; &gt; quality IPv6 services to their customers. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Open your eyes, not all pTLA request respect fully RFC2772. &gt; &gt; There is a problem with this request, because some people want troll &gt; &gt; about it. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I don't work for CTN1, CTN1 is just a partner for NDSoftware. We help &gt; &gt; CTN1 in its IPv6 deploiement. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please note that for get a sTLA from RIPE, the requester must be a LIR, &gt; &gt; (a cost of ~ 4500 EUR). It's a very high cost for promote IPv6 and offer &gt; &gt; free IPv6 services with a minimum of quality and independance.... &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for have read my mail, i wait your comments. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best Regards, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -- &gt; &gt; Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware &gt; &gt; NDSoftware IP Network: http://www.ip.ndsoftware.net/ &gt; &gt; FNIX6 (French National Internet Exchange IPv6): http://www.fnix6.net/ &gt; &gt; EuroNOG: http://www.euronog.org/ &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; &gt; 6bone mailing list &gt
; &gt; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt; &gt; http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;Message: 12 &gt;Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:57:53 +0000 &gt;From: Tim Chown <TJC@ECS.SOTON.AC.UK>&gt;To: 6BONE List &lt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu&gt; &gt;Subject: Re: [6bone] winding down and returns? &gt; &gt;Thanks Bob. &gt; &gt;The next step is then to wind down the 6bone allocations, and perhaps &gt;encourage formal returns? It may be that 50% of current holders are &gt;inactive due to commercial allocations, but have not bothered to "hand in" &gt;pTLAs as there's isn't a process as such. &gt; &gt;Some networks already don't accept 6bone prefixes. So their usefulness &gt;is already becoming more limited. &gt; &gt;Tim &gt; &gt;On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 01:51:44PM -0800, Bob Fink wrote: &gt; &gt; 6bone Folk, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I have denied the CTN1 pTLA request as of today. I do wish Marc Gomez and &gt; &gt; CTN1 well in providing IPv6 transport to the customers of CTN1, and do hope &gt; &gt; Marc will pursue a production prefix from RIPE. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I did not deny this request lightly, and did ask various follow up &gt; &gt; questions. I remained concerned about the inability to even reach the CTN1 &gt; &gt; web site or find a AAAA record in its DNS until today (or at least &gt; &gt; intermittently so). In my opinion it is unlikely that CTN1 really provided &gt; &gt; all the required services for the full 3 month period required. If we &gt; &gt; weren't at the end of 6bone prefix allocation, I would have encouraged Marc &gt; &gt; to wait a little longer until he clearly established operational experience &gt; &gt; in IPv6 for CTN1 sufficient to qualify for a pTLA. Alas, we are out of time &gt; &gt; and no more 6bone pTLA prefixes will be allocated. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Regardless of the cost to acquire production prefixes from the RIRs, &gt; &gt; clearly it isn't all that hard as there are almost 500 prefixes allocated &gt; &gt; now, more than half (274) of which come from RIPE. Compare this to 
the &gt; &gt; current 123 6bone pTLA prefixes allocated and it is clear that the time for &gt; &gt; an early experimental method to distribute IPv6 addresses is past. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I want to thank everyone who has participated in this pTLA review, on both &gt; &gt; sides, for your comments. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Bob Fink &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; &gt; 6bone mailing list &gt; &gt; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt; &gt; http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone &gt; &gt; &gt;--__--__-- &gt; &gt;_______________________________________________ &gt;6bone mailing list &gt;6bone@mailman.isi.edu &gt;http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone &gt; &gt; &gt;End of 6bone Digest </div><br clear=all><hr>Tired of spam? Get <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMAEN/2734??PS=">advanced junk mail protection</a> with MSN 8.</html>