[6bone] Corporation wishing to get connected to the new v6 Internet
Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com
Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com
Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:24:32 -0400
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Thanks, Todd, for both emails.
I am looking at the he.net site right now and am considering scrapping the
freenet6 for a while as the he.net tunnel uses standard sit-tunnelling and
the freenet6 uses tsp. he.net's documentation, while less complete, is a
little more friendly (like stating that the tunnel will not be available
for a couple days so I don't run myself in loops trying to connect :)
But they are both using the 6bone in some fashion, which I was under the
impression was going away... freenet6 IS on the 6bone, and it looks like
he.net is mentioning being connected to the 6bone network, even though the
address space is 2001: (which, if I'm not mistaken, is NOT part of the
6bone address-space, correct?). I still have yet to see what IPv6 network
I should use locally for either network, so I'm still sitting here with my
arms crossed (which can make typing difficult) twiddling my thumbs
waiting...
It is appearing that production IPv6 networks are currently mostly
disparate, funnels to the IPv4 Internet. Is that correct? And are there
a few that are big enough that would warrant creating tunnels to them
specifically so as to bring them together (eg. if I'm connected to the
he.net's network, also connecting to an IPv6 network in Asia (or
someplace) with a huge presence)? Or are they pretty much their own
little world?
Thank you for the direction. This is the type of information I was hoping
for.
DOH! I take it back. I've been allocated a prefix! <contented smile>
Well, that's for the test network. Still so many unknowns, though :)
We'll see what fun that brings... and then possibly propose something to
the boss.
Thanks again,
Matt
"Todd T. Fries" <todd@fries.net>
08/04/2003 04:58 PM
Please respond to todd
To: Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com
cc:
Subject: Re: [6bone] Corporation wishing to get connected to the new v6 Internet
IPv6 and IPv4 can co-exist on the same physical ethernet. Typically,
you can get a free tunnel (as my prior email suggested) via http://he.net,
and other providers, that use a public IPv4 address to tunnel the IPv6
connectivity to, and from there you can route natively via ethernet
and/or routers.
ISP's, as has been explained already in this discussion, can implement
things in a way that uses their existing infrastructure, or they can build
an additional infrastructure that routes IPv6 separately.
When I do the conversion at my ISP, I am going to do native to the adsl
customers, but provide tunnels for dialup and others (like ISDN).
Hope this helps.
--
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Free Daemon Consulting, LLC Land: 405-748-4596
http://FreeDaemonConsulting.com Mobile: 405-203-6124
"..in support of free software solutions."
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Penned by Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com on Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 04:38:33PM
-0400, we have:
| Thanks, Kurt!
|
| We have not asked our ISPs about the service yet. I'm trying to gather
| information before even pushing my boss to consider it, and he would end
| up being involved in the ISP conversation. I'm attempting to have all
my
| ducks in a row before chatting with the decisionmakers, including
| cost/value relationships for the various options of connectivity.
| We aren't even looking to rollow out V6 internally until there is a
| "customer need" that arises. I'm trying to stay ahead of the curve and
| bring up the important questions before crunch time, as well as possibly
| get our network playing on the V6net beforehand. But if I go to my boss
| and ask him about paying our ISP for a service that our customers
haven't
| requested, he won't even consider what I'm trying to say. If I go to
him
| with my ducks in a row, offering possibly free/cheap tunnelling to get
our
| feet wet, and the option to pay to secure our place on the new network,
| he'll have something to chew on, at least long enough to delay the "no"
| into a "not yet, but perhaps <something>....".
|
| If the IPv4 and v6 networks touch, is each ISP a little v6 bubble or is
| there one cohesive v6 network which is just invisible to the v4 world?
| We are considered an ISP in the v4 world, although our customers are
| typically affiliated with us in some way, and one of them is a major B2C
| ecommerce site. While we are interested in being a part of the new
| network space, availability from the v4 Internet is key until it's
death.
| This may mean dual-address-spaces, I realize, but when you're selling
| stuff you want to be available to as many pocketbooks as possible. Thus,
| if IPv4 is accessible from all and v6 is not, the impetus is to either
| stick with v4 or do both.
|
| Thank you for your fast response. I look forward to hearing more, as
well
| as getting connected to the 6bone from my test net.
|
| Matthew Carpenter
| Alticor Network Services
|
|
|
|
|
| Kurt Jaeger <lists@complx.LF.net>
| 08/04/2003 04:06 PM
| Please respond to pi
|
|
| To: Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com
| cc:
| Subject: Re: [6bone] Corporation wishing to get connected
to the new v6 Internet
|
|
| Hi!
|
| > <MEAT>
| > I am working with my company to determine how to get involved with a
| > production IPv6 Internet, as one develops.
|
| First step: Have you asked Your ISP for v6 connectivity ?
|
| Have you asked ISPs in your neigbourhood if they can provide v6 ?
|
| > Are there tunnel options for that network as well?
|
| Yes, probably.
|
| > Or does it require a "ISP-Provided" connection?
|
| This is preferred.
|
| > Does one even exist currently?
|
| Depends on your ISP.
|
| > Does it touch the v4 Internet or is it a separate entity?
|
| It touches the v4 net.
|
| --
| MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years
to
| go !
| LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net
| Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33
| D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372
|
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks, Todd, for both emails.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I am looking at the he.net site right now and am considering scrapping the freenet6 for a while as the he.net tunnel uses standard sit-tunnelling and the freenet6 uses tsp. he.net's documentation, while less complete, is a little more friendly (like stating that the tunnel will not be available for a couple days so I don't run myself in loops trying to connect :)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">But they are both using the 6bone in some fashion, which I was under the impression was going away... freenet6 IS on the 6bone, and it looks like he.net is mentioning being connected to the 6bone network, even though the address space is 2001: (which, if I'm not mistaken, is NOT part of the 6bone address-space, correct?). I still have yet to see what IPv6 network I should use locally for either network, so I'm still sitting here with my arms crossed (which can make typing difficult) twiddling my thumbs waiting...</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It is appearing that production IPv6 networks are currently mostly disparate, funnels to the IPv4 Internet. Is that correct? And are there a few that are big enough that would warrant creating tunnels to them specifically so as to bring them together (eg. if I'm connected to the he.net's network, also connecting to an IPv6 network in Asia (or someplace) with a huge presence)? Or are they pretty much their own little world?</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thank you for the direction. This is the type of information I was hoping for.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">DOH! I take it back. I've been allocated a prefix! <contented smile></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Well, that's for the test network. Still so many unknowns, though :) We'll see what fun that brings... and then possibly propose something to the boss.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thanks again,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Matt</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>"Todd T. Fries" <todd@fries.net></b></font>
<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">08/04/2003 04:58 PM</font>
<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Please respond to todd</font>
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<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif"> To: Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com</font>
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<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif"> Subject: Re: [6bone] Corporation wishing to get connected to the new v6 Internet</font></table>
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<br><font size=2 face="Courier New">IPv6 and IPv4 can co-exist on the same physical ethernet. Typically,<br>
you can get a free tunnel (as my prior email suggested) via http://he.net,<br>
and other providers, that use a public IPv4 address to tunnel the IPv6<br>
connectivity to, and from there you can route natively via ethernet<br>
and/or routers.<br>
<br>
ISP's, as has been explained already in this discussion, can implement<br>
things in a way that uses their existing infrastructure, or they can build<br>
an additional infrastructure that routes IPv6 separately.<br>
<br>
When I do the conversion at my ISP, I am going to do native to the adsl<br>
customers, but provide tunnels for dialup and others (like ISDN).<br>
<br>
Hope this helps.<br>
-- <br>
Todd Fries .. todd@fries.net<br>
<br>
<br>
Free Daemon Consulting, LLC Land: 405-748-4596<br>
http://FreeDaemonConsulting.com Mobile: 405-203-6124<br>
"..in support of free software solutions."<br>
<br>
Key fingerprint: 37E7 D3EB 74D0 8D66 A68D B866 0326 204E 3F42 004A<br>
Key: http://todd.fries.net/pgp.txt<br>
<br>
(last updated 2003/03/13 07:14:10)<br>
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Penned by Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com on Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 04:38:33PM -0400, we have:<br>
| Thanks, Kurt!<br>
| <br>
| We have not asked our ISPs about the service yet. I'm trying to gather <br>
| information before even pushing my boss to consider it, and he would end <br>
| up being involved in the ISP conversation. I'm attempting to have all my <br>
| ducks in a row before chatting with the decisionmakers, including <br>
| cost/value relationships for the various options of connectivity.<br>
| We aren't even looking to rollow out V6 internally until there is a <br>
| "customer need" that arises. I'm trying to stay ahead of the curve and <br>
| bring up the important questions before crunch time, as well as possibly <br>
| get our network playing on the V6net beforehand. But if I go to my boss <br>
| and ask him about paying our ISP for a service that our customers haven't <br>
| requested, he won't even consider what I'm trying to say. If I go to him <br>
| with my ducks in a row, offering possibly free/cheap tunnelling to get our <br>
| feet wet, and the option to pay to secure our place on the new network, <br>
| he'll have something to chew on, at least long enough to delay the "no" <br>
| into a "not yet, but perhaps <something>....".<br>
| <br>
| If the IPv4 and v6 networks touch, is each ISP a little v6 bubble or is <br>
| there one cohesive v6 network which is just invisible to the v4 world?<br>
| We are considered an ISP in the v4 world, although our customers are <br>
| typically affiliated with us in some way, and one of them is a major B2C <br>
| ecommerce site. While we are interested in being a part of the new <br>
| network space, availability from the v4 Internet is key until it's death. <br>
| This may mean dual-address-spaces, I realize, but when you're selling <br>
| stuff you want to be available to as many pocketbooks as possible. Thus, <br>
| if IPv4 is accessible from all and v6 is not, the impetus is to either <br>
| stick with v4 or do both.<br>
| <br>
| Thank you for your fast response. I look forward to hearing more, as well <br>
| as getting connected to the 6bone from my test net.<br>
| <br>
| Matthew Carpenter<br>
| Alticor Network Services<br>
| <br>
| <br>
| <br>
| <br>
| <br>
| Kurt Jaeger <lists@complx.LF.net><br>
| 08/04/2003 04:06 PM<br>
| Please respond to pi<br>
| <br>
| <br>
| To: Matt.Carpenter@alticor.com<br>
| cc: <br>
| Subject: Re: [6bone] Corporation wishing to get connected to the new v6 Internet<br>
| <br>
| <br>
| Hi!<br>
| <br>
| > <MEAT><br>
| > I am working with my company to determine how to get involved with a <br>
| > production IPv6 Internet, as one develops.<br>
| <br>
| First step: Have you asked Your ISP for v6 connectivity ?<br>
| <br>
| Have you asked ISPs in your neigbourhood if they can provide v6 ?<br>
| <br>
| > Are there tunnel options for that network as well?<br>
| <br>
| Yes, probably.<br>
| <br>
| > Or does it require a "ISP-Provided" connection?<br>
| </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Courier New">| This is preferred.<br>
| <br>
| > Does one even exist currently?<br>
| <br>
| Depends on your ISP.<br>
| <br>
| > Does it touch the v4 Internet or is it a separate entity?<br>
| <br>
| It touches the v4 net.<br>
| <br>
| -- <br>
| MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to <br>
| go !<br>
| LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net <br>
| Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33<br>
| D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372<br>
| <br>
| <br>
</font>
<br>
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