From old_mc_donald@hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 10:46:57 2003 From: old_mc_donald@hotmail.com (Gav) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:46:57 +0800 Subject: [6bone] Re: [ipv6-au] NTP server References: <20030401132313.G20766-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au> <00e301c2f823$69ecddf0$0200a8c0@elf> Message-ID: Dan and people, As mentioned on the 6bone list, Telstra will be very shortly releasing details so us poor peeps in Aus can get a tunnel provided to us by them. After being badgered on the 6bone list to provide the details of the man in charge I received no replies and so far he has not been contacted either. Why do people whine about things and then do nothing about it, if he doesn't get emails from you guys then he will not be in such a hurry to complete the set up. (Apologies to those on the ipv6-au list who knew nothing about this) The details again , Copy of email by Stephan Millet :- Gav, Thanks for your inquiry. I am just putting the final touches on our IPv6 web pages etc which will provide all the info you require including application forms, I will release the URL to yourself and the General AU community soon (early next week all going well) Could you also please email me using my IPv6 role address as I run some pretty aggresive spam filters and wouldn't want to miss any emails from the general AU IPv6 community. email me using : ipv6-trial@telstra.net Speak to you soon Cheers -- Stephan Millet Telstra Internet Networking Development On Friday 21 March 2003 01:02, you wrote: > Hi Stephan, > > Following recent enquiry and a reply from Geoff Huston (see below for full > emails, though I believe you have received a copy of most of this) I would > like to ask for (initially) a tunnel to be set up to your IPv6 router. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Reeder" To: "Andrew" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [ipv6-au] NTP server | Ok well it seems that NTT has taken the cake as far as speedy connectivity | is concerned (as it should). | | Now the next obvious question is, is there an NTT-based tunnel broker | somewhere within Australia (preferably Sydney) that can give residential | customers tunnels for free? | | dan | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Andrew" | To: "Dan Reeder" | Cc: | Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:25 PM | Subject: Re: [ipv6-au] NTP server | | | > | > | > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Dan Reeder wrote: | > | > > I would certainly be interested if anyone here knows of v6 connectivity | for | > > a simple residential geek like myself that is better than my existing | he.net | > > tunnel | > | > Tracing the route to apple.kame.net (3FFE:501:4819:2000:210:F3FF:FE03:4D0) | > | > 1 tu-20.r00.plalca01.us.b6.verio.net (2001:418:0:5000::8) 160 msec 164 | msec 164 msec | > 2 tu-800.r00.snjsca06.us.b6.verio.net (2001:418:0:2000::2) 172 msec 184 | msec 180 msec | > 3 cisco1.sanjose.wide.s-ix.net (2001:418:201::2500:1) 168 msec 160 msec | 160 msec | > 4 pc1.notemachi.wide.ad.jp (2001:200:0:6C01:290:27FF:FE3A:D8) 296 msec | 292 msec 368 msec | > 5 pc3.yagami.wide.ad.jp (2001:200:0:1C04::1000:2000) 288 msec 288 msec | 288 msec | > 6 gr2000.k2c.wide.ad.jp (2001:200:0:4819::2000:1) 288 msec 288 msec 292 | msec | > 7 apple.kame.net (3FFE:501:4819:2000:210:F3FF:FE03:4D0) 304 msec 292 | msec 296 msec | > | > Tracing the route to www.hs247.com (2001:730::1:37) | > | > 1 tu-20.r00.plalca01.us.b6.verio.net (2001:418:0:5000::8) 156 msec 156 | msec 156 msec | > 2 2001:730::1:6C 256 msec 344 msec 300 msec | > 3 nl-ams06d-re1-t-9.ipv6.aorta.net (2001:730::1:61) 332 msec 320 msec | 316 msec | > 4 www.hs247.com (2001:730::1:37) 324 msec 324 msec 324 msec | > | > Thats from within NTT. | > | > Andrew | > | | From tlangdon@atctraining.com.au Tue Apr 1 22:04:32 2003 From: tlangdon@atctraining.com.au (Tony Langdon) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:04:32 +1000 Subject: [6bone] Re: [ipv6-au] NTP server Message-ID: > As mentioned on the 6bone list, Telstra will be very shortly releasing > details so us poor peeps in Aus can get a tunnel provided to > us by them. Well, I'd be interested to hear more. Telstra is certainly a lot better than going overseas for a tunnel. I was under the impression (on the 6Bone list) that the original message was about native IPv6 connectivity, not tunnels, and as none of the systems (home or work) are directly connected to Telstra, direct native connectivity wouldn't be of any use. A tunnel, OTOH, would be very useful, especially if they can do a freenet like system and make it work with a dynamic IP (avoid some prefix changes). Don't want to have to re-do my prefixes every time my IPv4 address changes... :) This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. From bob@thefinks.com Wed Apr 2 02:52:18 2003 From: bob@thefinks.com (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:52:18 -0800 Subject: [6bone] draft minutes of the 6bone BOF at IETF-56 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030401185022.02273918@mail.addr.com> 6bone Folk, Minutes of the 6bone BOF from IETF-56 are at: Please send me any comments/corrections/additions. Thanks, Bob From old_mc_donald@hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 13:29:19 2003 From: old_mc_donald@hotmail.com (Gav) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:29:19 +0800 Subject: [6bone] draft minutes of the 6bone BOF at IETF-56 References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030401185022.02273918@mail.addr.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2F95E.EBC1E4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob and all,=20 | 6bone Folk, |=20 | Minutes of the 6bone BOF from IETF-56 are at: |=20 | |=20 | Please send me any comments/corrections/additions. | I have been a list member here for a while now and every now and then = pop up with a question or a comment which probably shows my ignorance = about some of the things that are 6bone/IPv6. I will continue in that = vain :0) I was just going to give my comments and be done with it, but = ............ a very brief background as I think it serves well not to = just receive comments from people, but to also know who they are coming = from. You all mostly know each other here but I expect you (Bob) would = like comments from us lesser mortals.=20 Those who want to skip the intro, page down to the arrows >>>>>> I am 32, Have been involved with computers since school days etc... My = last job was as a Software Technician for a group of colleges in England = but gave it up to move to Australia, I am now in Sales but in the = process of setting up my own Computer repair/upgrade/network/website etc = Business. I embarked on a part time study degree with the Open = University (3 years ago) aiming towards a named honours degree in 'IT & = Computing' (obvious no doubt) and have gained a diploma so far with = another and the degree coming next year with a bit of luck. I do have a = life however and am not a geek, script kiddie, techno fashion seeker or = anything else you might come up with, I am just interested. My interest in IPv6 was to begin with, one in which I could gain the = knowledge needed in order to go out and get a job with a Company that = provides/specializes/needs IPv6. I don't want to be a nTLA or any kind = of provider of IPv6 services to end users. So the issue is then - what = is there left in IPv6 that I can use, not a lot I think is the answer. = There is maybe a networking job out there from 2003 until 2007 (say) for = transition purposes with ISPs. Big deal, not a career prospect there, = and no doubt all the ISPs and Telco's/Cable providers have there own = teams working on it now anyway. So can someone please tell me , what is the point in my (and like) = learning all this stuff, I mean - I didn't need to know the ins and outs = of IPv4 (but I do). Is it too late for me already to participate = properly or is my only option to approach a nTLA/ISP. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= >>>> Ok, so back to Comments on the Minutes of the Meeting . (Has a certain = poetic feel don't you think) >Bob said that he would paraphrase the single largest concern as ".why = >should the 6bone community get cheaper services than the dues paying = >members.?" Comment : Up to , including and for 1 year after the transition period = (until July 2007) I think that the participating members of the 6bone = have a right as collaborators on the technical issues involved to get = the necessary services at a reduced cost. The free time alone that = members have given up is evidence enough that some kind of reward should = be given back (never mind the voluntary costs of equipment etc). >Also, there is now the ability for the RIRs to temporarily allocate = >IPv6 addresses for Internet experiments. Comment : Who are these temporary IPv6 addresses for ?? Providers ,end = users or both? >Tim Chown asked why not use 06/06/06 for the kill date as it had a = >nice symmetry? Comment : It is also easy to remember. (And the Devil will rise from the = fires of Hell) >Bob Fink asked if it is better to shutdown in the summer rather than = >(Xmas) holiday time? Comments seemed to say that summertime was = >better. Comment : I don't agree . What would be the reasoning for this? = Considerations to think about would be for those that are still using = the 6bone in their own spare time - so holiday times would be good for = them. Another consideration and perhaps the main one would be volume of = traffic over the internet. During holiday periods there would be a rise = in domestic use of the internet but should be of no concern as far as = IPv6 is concerned during the shutdown. During normal work time in the = summer there is likely to be more IPv6 traffic, will this have any = bearing on the shutdown, I'd have thought so. Holidays would be better = IMHO. >Jordi Palet noted that you can get an experimental prefix from=20 >RIRs, you just need an upstream provider to forward the request on = >your behalf.=20 Comment : Again, please explain who is meant by 'you can'. On who's = behalf are we talking about here?? The PowerPoint presentation from the link was good. I hope I didn't talk too much.. Feedback appreciated. Thanks=20 Gav... (Gavin McDonald) ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2F95E.EBC1E4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Bob and all,=20

I have been a list = member here=20 for a while now and every now and then pop up with a question or a = comment which=20 probably shows my ignorance about some of the things that are = 6bone/IPv6. I will=20 continue in that vain :0)

I was just going to = give my=20 comments and be done with it, but ............ a very brief background = as I=20 think it serves well not to just receive comments from people, but to = also know=20 who they are coming from. You all mostly know each other here but I = expect you=20 (Bob) would like comments from us lesser mortals.

= Those who want=20 to skip the intro, page down to the arrows=20 >>>>>>

I am 32, Have been = involved with=20 computers since school days etc... My last job was as a Software = Technician for=20 a group of colleges in England but gave it up to move to Australia, I am = now in=20 Sales but in the process of setting up my own Computer=20 repair/upgrade/network/website etc Business. I embarked on a part time = study=20 degree with the Open University (3 years ago) aiming towards a = named=20 honours degree in 'IT & Computing' (obvious no doubt) and have = gained a=20 diploma so far with another and the degree coming next year with a bit = of luck.=20 I do have a life however and am not a geek, script kiddie, techno = fashion seeker=20 or anything else you might come up with, I am just=20 interested.

My interest in IPv6 = was to begin=20 with, one in which I could gain the knowledge needed in order to go out = and get=20 a job with a Company that provides/specializes/needs IPv6. I don't want = to be a=20 nTLA or any kind of provider of IPv6 services to end users. So the issue = is then=20 - what is there left in IPv6 that I can use, not a lot I think is the = answer.=20 There is maybe a networking job out there from 2003 until 2007 (say) for = transition purposes with ISPs. Big deal, not a career prospect there, = and no=20 doubt all the ISPs and Telco's/Cable providers have there own teams = working on=20 it now anyway.

So can someone please = tell me ,=20 what is the point in my (and like) learning all this stuff, I mean - I = didn't=20 need to know the ins and outs of IPv4 (but I do). Is it too late for me = already=20 to participate properly or is my only option to approach a=20 nTLA/ISP.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&= gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&g= t;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>= ;>>>>>>

Ok, so back to = Comments on the=20 Minutes of the Meeting . (Has a certain poetic feel don't you=20 think)

>Bob said that he would = paraphrase the=20 single largest concern as =93=85why >should the 6bone community get = cheaper=20 services than the dues paying >members=85?=94

Comment : Up to , = including and=20 for 1 year after the transition period (until July 2007) I think that = the=20 participating members of the 6bone have a right as collaborators on the=20 technical issues involved to get the necessary services at a reduced = cost. The=20 free time alone that members have given up is evidence enough that some = kind of=20 reward should be given back (never mind the voluntary costs of equipment = etc).

>Also, there is now the = ability for the=20 RIRs to temporarily allocate >IPv6 addresses for Internet=20 experiments.

Comment : Who are = these temporary=20 IPv6 addresses for ?? Providers ,end users or = both?

>Tim=20 Chown asked why not use 06/06/06 for the kill date as it had a >nice=20 symmetry?

Comment : It is also = easy to=20 remember. (And the Devil will rise from the fires of = Hell)

>Bob=20 Fink asked if it is better to shutdown in the summer rather than =20 >(Xmas) holiday time? Comments seemed to say that summertime was=20 >better.

Comment : I don't agree . What would be the reasoning for = this?=20 Considerations to think about would be for those that are still = using the=20 6bone in their own spare time - so holiday times would be good for=20 them.

Another consideration and perhaps the main one would = be=20 volume of traffic over the internet. During holiday periods there would = be a=20 rise in domestic use of the internet but should be of no concern as far = as IPv6=20 is concerned during the shutdown. During normal work time in the summer = there is=20 likely to be more IPv6 traffic, will this have any bearing on the = shutdown, I'd=20 have thought so. Holidays would be better = IMHO.

>Jordi Palet noted that you can get = an=20 experimental prefix from

>RIRs, you just need an upstream = provider to=20 forward the request on >your behalf.

Comment : Again, = please explain=20 who is meant by 'you can'. On who's behalf are we talking about=20 here??

The PowerPoint = presentation=20 from the link was good.

I hope I didn't talk = too=20 much..

Feedback=20 appreciated.

Thanks =

Gav...

(Gavin=20 McDonald)

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2F95E.EBC1E4B0-- From bmanning@ISI.EDU Wed Apr 2 19:39:40 2003 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:39:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6bone] slowly mr registry... Message-ID: <200304021939.h32Jdek02573@boreas.isi.edu> Its taken a while, however one more hurdle has passed. boreas 133% whois DOT.EP.NET Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Server Name: DOT.EP.NET IP Address: 198.32.2.10 IP Address: 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 06:02:19 EST <<< -- "When in doubt, Twirl..." -anon From nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net Wed Apr 2 21:26:40 2003 From: nicolas.deffayet@ndsoftware.net (Nicolas DEFFAYET) Date: 02 Apr 2003 23:26:40 +0200 Subject: [6bone] slowly mr registry... In-Reply-To: <200304021939.h32Jdek02573@boreas.isi.edu> References: <200304021939.h32Jdek02573@boreas.isi.edu> Message-ID: <1049318800.2293.219.camel@w1-2-lev.fr.corp.ndsoftware.com> On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 21:39, Bill Manning wrote: > Server Name: DOT.EP.NET > IP Address: 198.32.2.10 > IP Address: 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 > Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. > Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com > Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com route-server.ndsoftwarenet.net> sh ipv6 bgp 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 % Network not in table route-server.ndsoftwarenet.net> Is it normal ? -- Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware FNIX6 (French National Internet Exchange IPv6): http://www.fnix6.net/ Get production quality full native IPv6 transit on a 100baseTX port or a 100base FX port with FNIX6 ! From bob@thefinks.com Thu Apr 3 06:31:16 2003 From: bob@thefinks.com (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:31:16 -0800 Subject: [6bone] draft minutes of the 6bone BOF at IETF-56 In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030401185022.02273918@mail.addr.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030402223047.02322a60@mail.addr.com> Gavin. Thanks for your note. I'll let others reply if they so choose. Bob At 09:29 PM 4/2/2003 +0800, Gav wrote: >Hi Bob and all, > >| 6bone Folk, >| >| Minutes of the 6bone BOF from IETF-56 are at: >| >| ><http://6bone.net/ngtrans/minutes/index.htm> >| >| Please send me any comments/corrections/additions. >| > >I have been a list member here for a while now and every now and then pop >up with a question or a comment which probably shows my ignorance about >some of the things that are 6bone/IPv6. I will continue in that vain :0) > >I was just going to give my comments and be done with it, but ............ >a very brief background as I think it serves well not to just receive >comments from people, but to also know who they are coming from. You all >mostly know each other here but I expect you (Bob) would like comments >from us lesser mortals. > Those who want to skip the intro, page down to the arrows >>>>>> > >I am 32, Have been involved with computers since school days etc... My >last job was as a Software Technician for a group of colleges in England >but gave it up to move to Australia, I am now in Sales but in the process >of setting up my own Computer repair/upgrade/network/website etc Business. >I embarked on a part time study degree with the Open University (3 years >ago) aiming towards a named honours degree in 'IT & Computing' (obvious no >doubt) and have gained a diploma so far with another and the degree coming >next year with a bit of luck. I do have a life however and am not a geek, >script kiddie, techno fashion seeker or anything else you might come up >with, I am just interested. > >My interest in IPv6 was to begin with, one in which I could gain the >knowledge needed in order to go out and get a job with a Company that >provides/specializes/needs IPv6. I don't want to be a nTLA or any kind of >provider of IPv6 services to end users. So the issue is then - what is >there left in IPv6 that I can use, not a lot I think is the answer. There >is maybe a networking job out there from 2003 until 2007 (say) for >transition purposes with ISPs. Big deal, not a career prospect there, and >no doubt all the ISPs and Telco's/Cable providers have there own teams >working on it now anyway. > >So can someone please tell me , what is the point in my (and like) >learning all this stuff, I mean - I didn't need to know the ins and outs >of IPv4 (but I do). Is it too late for me already to participate properly >or is my only option to approach a nTLA/ISP. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Ok, so back to Comments on the Minutes of the Meeting . (Has a certain >poetic feel don't you think) > > >Bob said that he would paraphrase the single largest concern as > "�why >should the 6bone community get cheaper services than the dues > paying >members�?" > >Comment : Up to , including and for 1 year after the transition period >(until July 2007) I think that the participating members of the 6bone have >a right as collaborators on the technical issues involved to get the >necessary services at a reduced cost. The free time alone that members >have given up is evidence enough that some kind of reward should be given >back (never mind the voluntary costs of equipment etc). > > >Also, there is now the ability for the RIRs to temporarily > allocate >IPv6 addresses for Internet experiments. >Comment : Who are these temporary IPv6 addresses for ?? Providers ,end >users or both? > > >Tim Chown asked why not use 06/06/06 for the kill date as it had a >nice > symmetry? > >Comment : It is also easy to remember. (And the Devil will rise from the >fires of Hell) > > >Bob Fink asked if it is better to shutdown in the summer rather > than >(Xmas) holiday time? Comments seemed to say that summertime was >better. >Comment : I don't agree . What would be the reasoning for this? >Considerations to think about would be for those that are still using the >6bone in their own spare time - so holiday times would be good for them. > Another consideration and perhaps the main one would be volume of > traffic over the internet. During holiday periods there would be a rise > in domestic use of the internet but should be of no concern as far as > IPv6 is concerned during the shutdown. During normal work time in the > summer there is likely to be more IPv6 traffic, will this have any > bearing on the shutdown, I'd have thought so. Holidays would be better IMHO. > >Jordi Palet noted that you can get an experimental prefix from > >RIRs, you just need an upstream provider to forward the request on >your > behalf. > >Comment : Again, please explain who is meant by 'you can'. On who's behalf >are we talking about here?? > >The PowerPoint presentation from the link was good. > >I hope I didn't talk too much.. > >Feedback appreciated. > >Thanks > >Gav... > >(Gavin McDonald) From pim@ipng.nl Thu Apr 3 07:03:41 2003 From: pim@ipng.nl (Pim van Pelt) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:03:41 +0200 Subject: [6bone] slowly mr registry... In-Reply-To: <1049318800.2293.219.camel@w1-2-lev.fr.corp.ndsoftware.com> References: <200304021939.h32Jdek02573@boreas.isi.edu> <1049318800.2293.219.camel@w1-2-lev.fr.corp.ndsoftware.com> Message-ID: <20030403070341.GA28217@bfib.colo.bit.nl> On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 11:26:40PM +0200, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote: | On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 21:39, Bill Manning wrote: | | > Server Name: DOT.EP.NET | > IP Address: 198.32.2.10 | > IP Address: 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 | > Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. | > Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com | > Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com | | route-server.ndsoftwarenet.net> sh ipv6 bgp | 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 | % Network not in table | route-server.ndsoftwarenet.net> As is to be seen on http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/arin/ this network has not been visible to any of the GRH participants as far back as 12/2002 dot.ep.net is not visible from AS12859 currently. -- ---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- Pim van Pelt Email: pim@ipng.nl http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment ----------------------------------------------- From bmanning@ISI.EDU Thu Apr 3 11:10:15 2003 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 03:10:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [6bone] slowly mr registry... In-Reply-To: <20030403070341.GA28217@bfib.colo.bit.nl> from Pim van Pelt at "Apr 3, 3 09:03:41 am" Message-ID: <200304031110.h33BAFo27378@boreas.isi.edu> % On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 11:26:40PM +0200, Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote: % | On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 21:39, Bill Manning wrote: % | % | > Server Name: DOT.EP.NET % | > IP Address: 198.32.2.10 % | > IP Address: 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 % | > Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. % | > Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com % | > Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com % | % | route-server.ndsoftwarenet.net> sh ipv6 bgp % | 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 % | % Network not in table % | route-server.ndsoftwarenet.net> % As is to be seen on http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/arin/ this % network has not been visible to any of the GRH participants as far % back as 12/2002 % % dot.ep.net is not visible from AS12859 currently. % -- we are sad that you/your upstream is filtering this out. however, the point I was trying to make was that now some registries are taking IPv6 addresses for host records. this is a significant change and is to be welcomed. --bill Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). From jeroen@unfix.org Thu Apr 3 11:43:32 2003 From: jeroen@unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:43:32 +0200 Subject: [6bone] slowly mr registry... In-Reply-To: <1049318800.2293.219.camel@w1-2-lev.fr.corp.ndsoftware.com> Message-ID: <002f01c2f9d6$41eeecd0$210d640a@unfix.org> Nicolas DEFFAYET wrote: > On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 21:39, Bill Manning wrote: > > > Server Name: DOT.EP.NET > > IP Address: 198.32.2.10 > > IP Address: 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 > > Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. > > Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com > > Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com > > route-server.ndsoftwarenet.net> sh ipv6 bgp > 2001:478:6:0:230:48FF:FE22:6A29 > % Network not in table > route-server.ndsoftwarenet.net> > > Is it normal ? Check: http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:478::/32&matchtype=more You will see that there are a couple of seperate /48's (2001:478:2::/48, 2001:478:4::/48, 2001:478:6::/48 and 2001:478:9200::/48) out of the block that do get announced. The complete block though has never been announced for the last 6 months at least... Btw Bill can you share the route to take to convince NetSol that they do are capable of entering IPv6 addresses into the glue? Greets, Jeroen From Robert.Kiessling@de.easynet.net Thu Apr 3 15:21:38 2003 From: Robert.Kiessling@de.easynet.net (Robert Kiessling) Date: 03 Apr 2003 16:21:38 +0100 Subject: [6bone] slowly mr registry... In-Reply-To: <200304031110.h33BAFo27378@boreas.isi.edu> References: <200304031110.h33BAFo27378@boreas.isi.edu> Message-ID: Bill Manning writes: > we are sad that you/your upstream is filtering this out. We are sad that /48s are expected to be globally visible, and glad that this upstreams is doing responsible filtering. Robert From pekkas@netcore.fi Thu Apr 3 21:31:27 2003 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:31:27 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [6bone] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt In-Reply-To: <200304031136.GAA14451@ietf.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Delegation of 3.F.F.3.IP6.ARPA > Author(s) : R. Bush, R. Fink > Filename : draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2003-4-2 > > This document discusses the need for delegation of the > E.F.F.3.IP6.ARPA DNS zone in order to enable reverse lookups for > 6bone addresses, and makes specific recommendations for the process > needed to accomplish this. Looks very good. Let's ship it. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From jeroen@unfix.org Thu Apr 3 22:45:39 2003 From: jeroen@unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 00:45:39 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c2fa32$c2b3fe80$210d640a@unfix.org> Pekka Savola wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > Internet-Drafts directories. > > > > > > Title : Delegation of 3.F.F.3.IP6.ARPA > > Author(s) : R. Bush, R. Fink > > Filename : draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt > > Pages : 5 > > Date : 2003-4-2 > > > > This document discusses the need for delegation of the > > E.F.F.3.IP6.ARPA DNS zone in order to enable reverse lookups for > > 6bone addresses, and makes specific recommendations for the process > > needed to accomplish this. > > Looks very good. Let's ship it. Indeed, the soone the better. One note howeever about ip6.int. Is ip6.int being phased at the same time as the 6bone (6/6/2006) or is there a earlier phaseout time thus forcing administrators and implementors to have their software fully ip6.arpa aware as endusers will start noticing that reverses are not available under ip6.int? For instance, if this system is implemented before the summer starts (july 2003) and systems are running cleanly, we could opt to deprecate ip6.int completely per december 2003. Greets, Jeroen From pekkas@netcore.fi Fri Apr 4 05:29:57 2003 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:29:57 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [6bone] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt In-Reply-To: <000901c2fa32$c2b3fe80$210d640a@unfix.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Pekka Savola wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > > Internet-Drafts directories. > > > > > > > > > Title : Delegation of 3.F.F.3.IP6.ARPA > > > Author(s) : R. Bush, R. Fink > > > Filename : draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt > > > Pages : 5 > > > Date : 2003-4-2 > > > > > > This document discusses the need for delegation of the > > > E.F.F.3.IP6.ARPA DNS zone in order to enable reverse lookups for > > > 6bone addresses, and makes specific recommendations for the process > > > needed to accomplish this. > > > > Looks very good. Let's ship it. > > Indeed, the soone the better. > > One note howeever about ip6.int. Is ip6.int being phased at > the same time as the 6bone (6/6/2006) or is there a earlier > phaseout time thus forcing administrators and implementors > to have their software fully ip6.arpa aware as endusers will > start noticing that reverses are not available under ip6.int? > For instance, if this system is implemented before the summer > starts (july 2003) and systems are running cleanly, we could > opt to deprecate ip6.int completely per december 2003. I'd favor deprecation of ip6.int as soon as it's reasonable, before the death of 6bone. Having to maintain two sets of reverse records is confusing. However, the issue does not need anything in the proposed I-D, and can be implemented separately when/if we feel fit. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From arnaud.savoye@efficientip.com Tue Apr 8 14:01:31 2003 From: arnaud.savoye@efficientip.com (Arnaud Savoye) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:01:31 +0200 Subject: [6bone] RE: Welcome to the "6bone" mailing list (Digest mode) In-Reply-To: <200304081219.h38CJKk03989@gamma.isi.edu> Message-ID: -----Message d'origine----- De : 6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu]De la part de 6bone-request@mailman.isi.edu Envoy� : mardi 8 avril 2003 14:19 � : arnaud.savoye@efficientip.com Objet : Welcome to the "6bone" mailing list (Digest mode) Welcome to the 6bone@mailman.isi.edu mailing list! 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There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the Web page noted above. From tbegin@tf1.fr Tue Apr 8 15:25:55 2003 From: tbegin@tf1.fr (BEGIN, Thomas) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:25:55 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Reverse lookup Message-ID: <745A3632968F53438280A8320C535AD20CCAC9@MSGEXS21.tf1.groupetf1.fr> Hello everyone, I'm testing DNS over IPv6 on a testbed and I'm confronted to an issue. Here is my configuration: I'm working on a Red Hat Distribution (8.0) with Bind 9.2.1.9 I've set up configuration files and the forward lookup works over IPv4 and IPv6 but the reverse lookup is only working with IPv4. (fec0:0:0:1::2 is one of the site-local addresses of my machine (DNS server)) e.g. host fec0:0:0:1::2 gives me: Host \[xFEC00000000000010000000000000002].ip6.arpa not found: 2(serverfail) First I realized that even if I tried to use ip6.int suffix in the configuration files, the message error keeps the same - Host \[xFEC00000000000010000000000000002].ip6.arpa not found: 2(serverfail) !!! Secondly, by sniffing with ethereal the packets, I've seen that the query is well sent to the computer (loop back) but no response is given and then computer tries to ask root DNS... I'm not out of idea, may be one of you can help me ... I post my config files. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Named.conf ------ // generated by named-bootconf.pl options { directory "/var/named"; listen-on-v6 { any; }; }; // // a caching only nameserver config // controls { inet 127.0.0.1 allow { localhost; } keys { rndckey; }; }; zone "." IN { type hint; file "named.ca"; }; zone "localhost" IN { type master; file "localhost.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "olympe.gr" IN { type master; file "olympe.gr.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "236.10.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "10.236.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.ip6.arpa" { type master; file "named.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; // zone "2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.c.e.f.ip6.int" { // type master; // file "fec0.0.0.2.zone"; // allow-update { none; }; // }; zone "2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.c.e.f.ip6.arpa" { type master; file "fec0.0.0.2.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.c.e.f.ip6.arpa" { type master; file "fec0.0.0.1.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; // zone "1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.c.e.f.ip6.int" { // type master; // file "fec0.0.0.1.zone"; // allow-update { none; }; // }; include "/etc/rndc.key"; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- fec0.0.0.1.zone ----- @ IN SOA cassandre.olympe.gr. admin.olympe.gr. ( 2003040603 3H 15M 1W 1D ) IN NS cassandre.olympe.gr. ; $ORIGIN 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.c.e.f.ip6.arpa. $ORIGIN 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.c.e.f.ip6.int. 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR cassandre.olympe.gr. 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR hermes.olympe.gr. 9.6.6.2.f.7.e.f.f.f.7.c.8.0.2.0 IN PTR arion.olympe.gr. - Regards - Thomas From jeanthery@olympus-zone.net Tue Apr 8 18:00:41 2003 From: jeanthery@olympus-zone.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean_Th=E9ry?=) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 19:00:41 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Reverse lookup References: <745A3632968F53438280A8320C535AD20CCAC9@MSGEXS21.tf1.groupetf1.fr> Message-ID: <00ea01c2fdf0$63044dc0$0202010a@teraii> BEGIN, Thomas wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm testing DNS over IPv6 on a testbed and I'm confronted to an issue. > > Here is my configuration: I'm working on a Red Hat Distribution (8.0) > with Bind 9.2.1.9 > > I've set up configuration files and the forward lookup works over > IPv4 and IPv6 but the reverse lookup is only working with IPv4. > > (fec0:0:0:1::2 is one of the site-local addresses of my machine (DNS > server)) e.g. host fec0:0:0:1::2 gives me: > Host \[xFEC00000000000010000000000000002].ip6.arpa not found: > 2(serverfail) > > First I realized that even if I tried to use ip6.int suffix in the > configuration files, the message error keeps the same - Host > \[xFEC00000000000010000000000000002].ip6.arpa not found: > 2(serverfail) !!! > > Secondly, by sniffing with ethereal the packets, I've seen that the > query is well sent to the computer (loop back) but no response is > given and then computer tries to ask root DNS... > > I'm not out of idea, may be one of you can help me ... > > I post my config files. bitstring format is not used at this time, you must prefer the nibble format, it works fine. Cordialy, Jean Th�ry Administration R�seaux, Syst�mes & Hosting Olympus-Zone www.olympus-zone.net From cloos@jhcloos.com Tue Apr 8 22:00:37 2003 From: cloos@jhcloos.com (James H. Cloos Jr.) Date: 08 Apr 2003 17:00:37 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Reverse lookup In-Reply-To: <00ea01c2fdf0$63044dc0$0202010a@teraii> References: <745A3632968F53438280A8320C535AD20CCAC9@MSGEXS21.tf1.groupetf1.fr> <00ea01c2fdf0$63044dc0$0202010a@teraii> Message-ID: >> host fec0:0:0:1::2 gives me: >> Host \[xFEC00000000000010000000000000002].ip6.arpa not found: >> 2(serverfail) Jean> bitstring format is not used at this time, you must prefer the Jean> nibble format, it works fine. In other words, the bug is in host(1), not in your dns server or its configuration. -JimC From itojun@iijlab.net Tue Apr 8 22:28:39 2003 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 06:28:39 +0900 Subject: [6bone] Reverse lookup In-Reply-To: cloos's message of 08 Apr 2003 17:00:37 -0400. Message-ID: <20030408212839.999B518@coconut.itojun.org> >>> host fec0:0:0:1::2 gives me: >>> Host \[xFEC00000000000010000000000000002].ip6.arpa not found: >>> 2(serverfail) >> bitstring format is not used at this time, you must prefer the >> nibble format, it works fine. >In other words, the bug is in host(1), not in your dns server or its >configuration. another thing is that you can't register site-local (fec0::/10) address into your DNS servers, unless you run two-faced DNS. itojun From cloos@jhcloos.com Tue Apr 8 22:35:29 2003 From: cloos@jhcloos.com (James H. Cloos Jr.) Date: 08 Apr 2003 17:35:29 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Reverse lookup In-Reply-To: <20030408212839.999B518@coconut.itojun.org> References: <20030408212839.999B518@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "itojun" == itojun writes: itojun> another thing is that you can't register site-local itojun> (fec0::/10) address into your DNS servers, unless you run itojun> two-faced DNS. Woops. Yes. Tunnel vision on my part; I've been bitten by that bug in host(1), but haven't used fec0:: ... -JimC From gw9812@21cn.com Wed Apr 9 11:30:46 2003 From: gw9812@21cn.com (yin weijun) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:30:46 +0000 Subject: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! Message-ID:

Hi all,

I am a final year student at University Of Gloucestershire UK and as part of my course I am required to undertake a research project. My project intends to examine Ipv4/Ipv6 migration issues in home networks. I would be grateful if you could find the time to answer the online questions to help me with my research. The questionnaire is entirely confidential and it would be greatly appreciated if you could assist me.

There are 14 questions and it will take 3 ~ 5 minutes to complete.

Please click the link to my online questionnaire:

http://free2u.dns2go.com

Thank you --- your help is appreciated

Weijun Yin

�� MSN Explorer From florian.frotzler@gmx.at Wed Apr 9 13:36:47 2003 From: florian.frotzler@gmx.at (Florian Frotzler) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:36:47 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030409143647.771fcb50.florian.frotzler@gmx.at> On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:30:46 +0000 "yin weijun" wrote: Hi! > Hi all, > I am a final year student at University Of Gloucestershire UK and as part of my course I am required to undertake a research project. My project intends to examine Ipv4/Ipv6 migration issues in home networks. I would be grateful if you could find the time to answer the online questions to help me with my research. The questionnaire is entirely confidential and it would be greatly appreciated if you could assist me. > > There are 14 questions and it will take 3 ~ 5 minutes to complete. > > Please click the link to my online questionnaire: > http://free2u.dns2go.com > If you have a dynamic IP you should probably specify the time when you are online, because currently the page is not reachable. > Thank you --- your help is appreciated > > Weijun Yin > > ------------------------------------------------ > �� MSN Explorer _______________________________________________ 6bone mailing list 6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone Regards, Florian RIPE-NCC Intern IPv6/TTM From jorgen@hovland.cx Wed Apr 9 16:16:04 2003 From: jorgen@hovland.cx (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=B8rgen_Hovland?=) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:16:04 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! References: Message-ID: <00c401c2feaa$f3dede40$1b29b3d5@hera> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C2FEBB.B392B170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And you might want to check your security.. I can delete your whole = database right now :-). javax.servlet.ServletException: [Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access = Driver] =C3=93=C3=AF=C2=B7=C2=A8=C2=B4=C3=AD=C3=8E=C3=B3 = (=C2=B2=C3=99=C3=97=C3=B7=C2=B7=C3=BB=C2=B6=C2=AA=C3=8A=C2=A7) = =C3=94=C3=9A=C2=B2=C3=A9=C3=91=C2=AF=C2=B1=C3=AD=C2=B4=C3=AF=C3=8A=C2=BD = ''RFC's' , '' , '' , '' , '' , 'DHCP6 from isp' =C3=96=C3=90=C2=A1=C2=A3 Joergen Hovland ----- Original Message -----=20 From: yin weijun=20 To: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! Hi all, I am a final year student at University Of Gloucestershire UK and as = part of my course I am required to undertake a research project. My = project intends to examine Ipv4/Ipv6 migration issues in home networks. = I would be grateful if you could find the time to answer the online = questions to help me with my research. The questionnaire is entirely = confidential and it would be greatly appreciated if you could assist me. There are 14 questions and it will take 3 ~ 5 minutes to complete.=20 Please click the link to my online questionnaire: http://free2u.dns2go.com Thank you --- your help is appreciated Weijun Yin =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- =E5=85=8D=E8=B4=B9=E4=B8=8B=E8=BD=BD MSN Explorer = _______________________________________________ 6bone mailing list = 6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C2FEBB.B392B170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF

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Subject: [6bone] Your help is=20 appreciated!!

Hi all,

I am a final year student at University Of Gloucestershire UK and = as part=20 of my course I am required to undertake a research project. My project = intends=20 to examine Ipv4/Ipv6 migration issues in home networks. I would be = grateful if=20 you could find the time to answer the online questions to help me = with my=20 research. The questionnaire is entirely confidential and it would be = greatly=20 appreciated if you could assist me.

There are 14 questions and it will take 3 ~ 5 minutes to = complete.

Please click the link to my online questionnaire:

http://free2u.dns2go.com

Thank you --- your help is appreciated

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=E5=85=8D=E8=B4=B9=E4=B8=8B=E8=BD=BD MSN Explorer=20 _______________________________________________ 6bone mailing list=20 6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C2FEBB.B392B170-- From tbegin@tf1.fr Wed Apr 9 16:32:35 2003 From: tbegin@tf1.fr (BEGIN, Thomas) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:32:35 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Re: Reverse lookup Message-ID: <745A3632968F53438280A8320C535AD20CCACE@MSGEXS21.tf1.groupetf1.fr> EH I found the mistake ( mainly thanks to your mails) and then now the DNS is working fine ... :-)) I thank everybody for the help they gave to me so quickly... Bye From chuck+6bone@snew.com Wed Apr 9 17:54:12 2003 From: chuck+6bone@snew.com (Chuck Yerkes) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:54:12 -0400 Subject: [6bone] survey (Re: Your help is appreciated!!) In-Reply-To: <20030409143647.771fcb50.florian.frotzler@gmx.at> References: <20030409143647.771fcb50.florian.frotzler@gmx.at> Message-ID: <20030409165412.GA4722@snew.com> Stupid HTML mail... "yin weijun" wrote: > > I am a final year student at University Of Gloucestershire UK and as part of m y course I am required to undertake a research project. My project intends to ex amine Ipv4/Ipv6 migration issues in home networks. I would be grateful if you co uld find the time to answer the online questions to help me with my research. Th e questionnaire is entirely confidential and it would be greatly appreciated if you could assist me. Yet you post from hotmail and survey on an anonymous machine (ipv4 only)... > There are 14 questions and it will take 3 ~ 5 minutes to complete. > > Please click the link to my online questionnaire: > http://free2u.dns2go.com Be nice if the questions were complete. Example: | How many computers/routers... | 1 computer | 1 computer and 1 router | 2 computers | 2 computers and 1 router | 3 computers and 1 router | more than 2 computers and more than 1 router Um, how about many many computers and one router? How about a blank for us to fill in and YOU process the data? What do click with 5+ computers and one gateway to the internet (it's a home, I use one router box) | Q14: How much are you willing to pay for migration | [answers in chunks from $50 up) Migration costs: No, I'm willing to accept $0 costs for "migration". Not an option on your survey. | Q5: Are you planning to move your home network from Ipv4 to Ipv6? | Yes | No | Haven't thought about it Um no. I have both IPv4 *and* IPv6. That's one of the goals of IPv6 - cohabitation. methinks you don't understand IPv6 from a usage point of view. This "migration" you keep speaking of makes me think you believe its an either/or situation. When my apps speak IPv6, they use 6. If they need IPv4, they use 4. Ahh the joy. You'll never have to experience the Flag Day that we had during the NCP/TCP cutover (all 200 hosts?) Now go redo your survey for completeness. Oh, and the submit crashed. Is java/tomcat really necessary for basic HTML forms? From chuck+6bone@snew.com Wed Apr 9 17:58:47 2003 From: chuck+6bone@snew.com (Chuck Yerkes) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 12:58:47 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt In-Reply-To: References: <000901c2fa32$c2b3fe80$210d640a@unfix.org> Message-ID: <20030409165847.GB4722@snew.com> Quoting Pekka Savola (pekkas@netcore.fi): > On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Jeroen Massar wrote: ... > I'd favor deprecation of ip6.int as soon as it's reasonable, before the > death of 6bone. Having to maintain two sets of reverse records is > confusing. Actually, it's pretty easy with one file and two named.conf entries. Let the @ be your friend. (but Oh that BIND would do the nibble/reverse work for me. I hate working for computers. I want: %6REVERSE(3ffe:1200:301d:5::25) IN PTR myMachine or something like that. Avoid my stupid typos. ). From hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 9 18:09:11 2003 From: hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net (Gregg C Levine) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:09:11 -0400 Subject: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! In-Reply-To: <00c401c2feaa$f3dede40$1b29b3d5@hera> Message-ID: <000701c2feba$be303e00$5aa2580c@who5> Hello from Gregg C Levine Was that Microsoft based ODBC attached database from that badly timed message earlier, about a similar database? The site wasn't at home when I clicked the link. For some reason that I've made it my business not to delve into, those databases such as ones built using Microsoft based ODBC, and related tools, almost always have lousy security, unless the developer takes the time to dig through mountains of poorly written manuals to find the right settings to lock down the database. Jørgen Hovland, you did the right thing in pointing it out. But I don't think the original correspondent will appreciate it. Oh, and what else did do, besides bring this up? ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -----Original Message----- From: 6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu] On Behalf Of Jørgen Hovland Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:16 AM To: gw9812@21cn.com; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu Subject: Re: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! And you might want to check your security.. I can delete your whole database right now :-). javax.servlet.ServletException: [Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Óï·¨´íÎó (²Ù×÷·û¶ªÊ§) ÔÚ²éÑ¯±í´ïÊ½ ''RFC's' , '' , '' , '' , '' , 'DHCP6 from isp' ÖÐ¡£ Joergen Hovland ----- Original Message ----- From: yin weijun To: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! Hi all, I am a final year student at University Of Gloucestershire UK and as part of my course I am required to undertake a research project. My project intends to examine Ipv4/Ipv6 migration issues in home networks. I would be grateful if you could find the time to answer the online questions to help me with my research. The questionnaire is entirely confidential and it would be greatly appreciated if you could assist me. There are 14 questions and it will take 3 ~ 5 minutes to complete. Please click the link to my online questionnaire: http://free2u.dns2go.com Thank you --- your help is appreciated Weijun Yin 免费下载 MSN Explorer _______________________________________________ 6bone mailing list 6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone From jorgen@hovland.cx Wed Apr 9 20:01:33 2003 From: jorgen@hovland.cx (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=B8rgen_Hovland?=) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:01:33 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! References: <000701c2feba$be303e00$5aa2580c@who5> Message-ID: <000d01c2feca$711e5f60$1b29b3d5@hera> >The site wasn't at home when I clicked the link. The site was up when I did this, but it looks like its down again now. The odbc-message is from the same website. Microsoft odbc is a little bit off topic on the 6bone-list I think, but we could discuss it privately if you wish. Poorly written manuals are a pain in the xxx, yes. Joergen Hovland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregg C Levine" To: "'Jørgen Hovland'" ; ; <6bone@mailman.isi.edu> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: RE: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! > Hello from Gregg C Levine > Was that Microsoft based ODBC attached database from that badly timed message earlier, about a similar database? The site wasn't at home when I clicked the link. > > For some reason that I've made it my business not to delve into, those databases such as ones built using Microsoft based ODBC, and related tools, almost always have lousy security, unless the developer takes the time to dig through mountains of poorly written manuals to find the right settings to lock down the database. > > Jørgen Hovland, you did the right thing in pointing it out. But I don't think the original correspondent will appreciate it. Oh, and what else did do, besides bring this up? > > ------------------- > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu] On Behalf Of Jørgen Hovland > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:16 AM > To: gw9812@21cn.com; 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > Subject: Re: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! > > And you might want to check your security.. I can delete your whole database right now :-). > > javax.servlet.ServletException: [Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Óï·¨´íÎó (²Ù×÷·û¶ªÊ§) ÔÚ²éÑ¯±í´ïÊ½ ''RFC's' , '' , '' , '' , '' , 'DHCP6 from isp' ÖÐ¡£ > > Joergen Hovland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: yin weijun > To: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:30 PM > Subject: [6bone] Your help is appreciated!! > > Hi all, > I am a final year student at University Of Gloucestershire UK and as part of my course I am required to undertake a research project. My project intends to examine Ipv4/Ipv6 migration issues in home networks. I would be grateful if you could find the time to answer the online questions to help me with my research. The questionnaire is entirely confidential and it would be greatly appreciated if you could assist me. > > There are 14 questions and it will take 3 ~ 5 minutes to complete. > > Please click the link to my online questionnaire: > http://free2u.dns2go.com > > > Thank you --- your help is appreciated > > Weijun Yin > > > > 免费下载 MSN Explorer _______________________________________________ 6bone mailing list 6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone > > From gw9812@21cn.com Wed Apr 9 23:56:45 2003 From: gw9812@21cn.com (yin weijun) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:56:45 +0000 Subject: [6bone] [From weijun Yin] your help is appreciated!! Message-ID:

Hi all,

Firstly, I need to say many thanks to the following kind people for their suggestions:

Florian Frotzler florizan.frotzler@gmx.at

Joergen Hovland jorgen@hovland.cx

Chuck Yerkes chuck+6bone@snew.com

Leino Tammy tammy_leino@snew.com

Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net

Secondly, I am a beginner on IP network, and all my web server is built on what I have learned (Tomcat server, JSP, XHTML, SQL and Microsoft Access database system).

Sorry about that the response of Access database system is really poor, please be more patient, and try agian later.

Finally, I fixed the bugs found by kind people above, and again your helps is appreciated, I hope that there are more kind people to visit http://free2u.dns2go.com

Regards,

Weijun Yin

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I am a final year student at University Of Gloucestershire UK and as part of my course I am required to undertake a research project. My project intends to examine Ipv4/Ipv6 migration issues in home network. I would be grateful if you could find the time to answer the following questions to help me with my research. The questionnaire is entirely confidential and it would be greatly appreciated if you could assist me.

There are 14 questions and it will take 3 ~ 5 minutes to complete.

Thank you --- your help is appreciated

�� MSN Explorer From jeroen@unfix.org Thu Apr 10 00:56:46 2003 From: jeroen@unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:56:46 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ymbk-6bone-arpa-delegation-01.txt In-Reply-To: <20030409165847.GB4722@snew.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2fef3$b0a003e0$210d640a@unfix.org> Chuck Yerkes wrote: > Quoting Pekka Savola (pekkas@netcore.fi): > > On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Jeroen Massar wrote: > ... > > I'd favor deprecation of ip6.int as soon as it's > reasonable, before the > > death of 6bone. Having to maintain two sets of reverse records is > > confusing. > > Actually, it's pretty easy with one file and two named.conf entries. > Let the @ be your friend. > > > (but Oh that BIND would do the nibble/reverse work for me. > I hate working for computers. I want: > %6REVERSE(3ffe:1200:301d:5::25) IN PTR myMachine > or something like that. Avoid my stupid typos. > ). Well the software is open source so what is stopping you ? Also you can do it the 'easy' way and just generate your zone files from a database or other automated manner. Greets, Jeroen From JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" Hi all, Since a few months already, we have been working in using regular NAT routers to establish IPv6 tunnels, as a quite simple transition mechanism, instead of inventing new protocols that may be we don't need in most of the situations. We have described our conclusions in a short document, that is now publicly available. The idea is quite simple "proto-41 forwarding". But I want to go further, and for that I need your help ... and I think this is something that with a few volunteers (as many as better), we can do a good and important work. The idea is to identify what routers in addition to those that we already tested, support this mechanism. So, if some of you (as many as possible!), can invest a few minutes to try it, please do it, and report to me directly (I don't think we want all these messages in the mailing list !) at jordi.palet@consulintel.es. Even better if some of the router manufacturers that receive this email can directly tell us how their different router models/firmware, behave using this mechanism. I will compile all the reports received in the next 4-5 weeks (will keep anonymity if requested), and prepare a short I-D describing the results, and proposing some ideas for router vendors to support this better in future firmware releases. May be it can be in time for next IETF meeting ;-) In my opinion, if there is an interesting number of routers supporting this, and/or is easy to implement/enhance in new firmware versions, we may be in front of an easy transition tool. In your report, please remember to mention router vendor, model, and firmware version. Any other interesting details welcome. The document is accessible at the Euro6IX web site (www.euro6ix.org). You need to click on "public", then "services", and find "IPv6 Tunnels over NAT". By the way, several interesting documents are available in www.euro6ix.org (you need to register to access them). Regards, Jordi PS: Sorry for x-posting, if you are in several mail exploders ***************************** Madrid 2003 Global IPv6 Summit 12-14 May 2003 - Register at: http://www.ipv6-es.com From rblechinger@cybernet-ag.net Fri Apr 11 11:02:50 2003 From: rblechinger@cybernet-ag.net (Robert Blechinger) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:02:50 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Cybernet ( AS8379 ) is returning its prefix 3FFE:81F0::/28 to 6BONE Message-ID: <20030411120250.A500@cybernet-ag.net> Hi all, after successfull hookup on the global production ipv6 network and renumbering to RIR allocation ( 2001:768::/32 ) we say thanks to 6BONE. We are currently preset at native ipv6 peerings in Germany ( DE-CIX, INXS ). Kindly Regards Robert -- Blechinger Robert PSINet / Cybernet AG - Networking email: rblechinger@cybernet-ag.net Phone: +49 89 99315 - 116 Fax: +49 89 99315 - 199 From tvo@EnterZone.Net Mon Apr 14 07:28:25 2003 From: tvo@EnterZone.Net (John Fraizer) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [6bone] Something going on? Message-ID: Is there something going on between XS26 and SPRINT? I'm seeing flows ranging between 600Kb/s and 1.4Mb/s transiting AS13944 between these two networks. What makes it odd is that it began building at 2100GMT 4/13/03 ramping up to about a DS1's worth of traffic until about 0200GMT 4/14/03 and remaining pretty steady there at about 1.4Mb/s for the past several hours. --- John Fraizer | High-Security Datacenter Services | President | Dedicated circuits 64k - 155M OC3 | EnterZone, Inc | Virtual, Dedicated, Colocation | http://www.enterzone.net/ | Network Consulting Services | From sibaili@hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 01:20:50 2003 From: sibaili@hotmail.com (Sibai Li) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:20:50 +0000 Subject: [6bone] print Message-ID: Paul Reveres Ride Most people say Paul Revere is famous for his midnight ride. But did you know Paul Revere was a Member of the Sons of library and participated in the Boston tea party. He married two times, first with a girl named Sara, then with Rachel and, altogether had sixteen children. Paul Revere wasn��t always a messenger; he was an expert silversmith, too. His midnight ride started on Boston then he boated to Charleston, borrowed a horse and rode off in to the ink, black night. Paul Revere never made it to Concord, but one of the three men did. Paul Revere stop partway between Lexington and Concord. There, he saw many British officers. They (including Paul) rode in the forest some time a warning shot was shot. The redcoats force Paul to give Brown Beauty, the horse, away. Then Paul Revere, horse less, returned to Lexington because Concord was to far away. When Paul Revere died, he wasn��t famous till Longfellow��s poem and would be recorded in history books forever -jennifer _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Raffaele.Dalbenzio@TILAB.COM Fri Apr 18 14:37:23 2003 From: Raffaele.Dalbenzio@TILAB.COM (D'Albenzio Raffaele) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:37:23 +0200 Subject: [6bone] New version of ASPath-tree is available on line Message-ID: <6ECEC1E214F2E342814ABB1ED10E7955A69A87@EXC2K01B.cselt.it> Hello all, this e-mail to inform you that a new version of ASPath-tree is available on line. It is downloadable starting from http://carmen.ipv6.tilab.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?pkg=ASpath-tree. The main changes of 4.2 version are: - Graphic display of 6Bone backbone and commercial prefixes becomes an option. This has been done according also to 6bone phase out planning proposed during the last 56th IETF meeting. Now the two separated trees for commercial and 6bone prefixes are not displayed by default. The option is still available, setting a variable in the ASPath-tree configuration file. - Prepended AS information displayed by prefix. The AS prepend option available in the details page has been moved near the prefix list because it can be different for different prefixes even if they come from the same AS. - Fixed few minor bugs. Code clean-up. Let us know any comments and observations. Best regards, Raffaele D'Albenzio. ==================================================================== CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons above and may contain confidential information. If you have received the message in error, be informed that any use of the content hereof is prohibited. Please return it immediately to the sender and delete the message. Should you have any questions, please contact us by replying to MailAdmin@tilab.com. Thank you ==================================================================== From czmok@gatel.net Tue Apr 22 11:29:31 2003 From: czmok@gatel.net (Jan Czmok) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:29:31 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Return of 6bone address space Message-ID: <20030422102931.GA13207@gollum.gatel.net> Dear 6bone! We are returning 3ffe:8340::/28 to the pool, means: we are now using ONLY the allocated RIR-IPv6 space. I am about to delete the old objects now. Routing has been stopped for the prefix and route has been withdrawn. Thanks! --jan -- Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfurt voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok@gatel.de From bob@thefinks.com Tue Apr 22 15:43:34 2003 From: bob@thefinks.com (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:43:34 -0700 Subject: [6bone] Re: Return of 6bone address space In-Reply-To: <20030422102931.GA13207@gollum.gatel.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422074314.01f7e1a8@mail.addr.com> Jan, At 12:29 PM 4/22/2003 +0200, Jan Czmok wrote: >Dear 6bone! > >We are returning 3ffe:8340::/28 to the pool, means: we are now using >ONLY the allocated RIR-IPv6 space. > >I am about to delete the old objects now. > >Routing has been stopped for the prefix and route has been withdrawn. Thanks for letting me know. I'll update my allocation list. Bob From bob@thefinks.com Tue Apr 22 15:59:12 2003 From: bob@thefinks.com (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:59:12 -0700 Subject: [6bone] 6bone-phaseout-01 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422075342.01fc9488@mail.addr.com> 6bone Folk, Per the San Francisco 6bone BOF I have updated the draft with dates for the phaseout to reflect the consensus at the meeting. Jan 1, 2004 allocation cutoff June 6, 2006 phaseout (note that in the -01 draft I missed the phaseout date in the intro, so please ignore that... will fix in next draft) Also the IANA considerations was changed per some comments. Let us see if we can reach some consensus soon on this so we can forward it for BCP or Informational as soon as possible. Comments to the list please. Thanks, Bob From bob@thefinks.com Wed Apr 23 06:39:54 2003 From: bob@thefinks.com (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:39:54 -0700 Subject: [6bone] pTLA request by SAMART-TH - review closes 6 May 2003 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422223305.00b80968@mail.addr.com> 6bone Folk, SAMART-TH has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this will close 6 May 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. Thanks, Bob === 7. Guidelines for 6Bone pTLA sites The following rules apply to qualify for a 6Bone pTLA allocation. It should be recognized that holders of 6Bone pTLA allocations are expected to provide production quality backbone network services for the 6Bone. 1. The pTLA Applicant must have a minimum of three (3) months qualifying experience as a 6Bone end-site or pNLA transit. During the entire qualifying period the Applicant must be operationally providing the following: ============================================================= We have been connected to the 6Bone since 03 JAN 2003 as a 6Bone end-site. ============================================================= a. Fully maintained, up to date, 6Bone Registry entries for their ipv6-site inet6num, mntner, and person objects, including each tunnel that the Applicant has. ============================================================= ipv6-site: SAMART-TH origin: AS4741 descr: Samart IPv6 site country: TH prefix: 3FFE:400B:6006::/48 tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 v4v6.ipv6.samart.co.th -> ipv6-gw66.inet.co.th INET-TH BGP4+ contact: CN4-6BONE url: http://www.ipv6.samart.co.th notify: netmgmt@samart.co.th mnt-by: MAINT-TH-SAMART changed: dorn@samart.co.th 20030103 changed: dorn@samart.co.th 20030113 changed: dorn@samart.co.th 20030113 changed: dorn@samart.co.th 20030416 source: 6BONE ============================================================= b. Fully maintained, and reliable, BGP4+ peering and connectivity between the Applicant's boundary router and the appropriate connection point into the 6Bone. This router must be IPv6 pingable. This criteria is judged by members of the 6Bone Operations Group at the time of the Applicant's pTLA request. ============================================================= Tunnel1 [up/up] ---> INET-TH FE80::CB95:102 3FFE:400B:400B::15 Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down State/PfxRcd 3FFE:400B:400B::14 4 4618 47492 19893 33585 0 0 23:22:42 439 ============================================================= c. Fully maintained DNS forward (AAAA) and reverse (ip6.int) entries for the Applicant's router(s) and at least one host system. ============================================================= We have configured IPv6 DNS on 203.149.0.55 (ns.ipv6.samart.co.th) ns IN AAAA 3FFE:400B:6006::2 www IN AAAA 3FFE:400B:6006::2 v6v4 IN AAAA 3FFE:400B:6006::1 $ORIGIN 0.0.0.0.6.0.0.6.B.0.0.4.E.F.F.3.ip6.int 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR v6v4.ipv6.samart.co.th 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR ns.ipv6.samart.co.th ============================================================= d. A fully maintained, and reliable, IPv6-accessible system providing, at a mimimum, one or more web pages, describing the Applicant's IPv6 services. This server must be IPv6 pingable. ============================================================= Our IPv6 pingable WWW server is www.ipv6.samart.co.th, and it's accessible by both IPv6 and IPv4 ============================================================= 2. The pTLA Applicant MUST have the ability and intent to provide "production-quality" 6Bone backbone service. Applicants must provide a statement and information in support of this claim. This MUST include the following: a. A support staff of two persons minimum, three preferable, with person attributes registered for each in the ipv6-site object for the pTLA applicant. ============================================================= 3 persons: person: CN4-6BONE, Chonlatan Naranong (dorn@samart.co.th) person: NS7-6BONE, Narumol Somboon (narumols@samtel.com) person: SP13-6BONE, Seksan Potajatikul (seksanp@samtel.com) ============================================================= b. A common mailbox for support contact purposes that all support staff have acess to, pointed to with a notify attribute in the ipv6-site object for the pTLA Applicant. ============================================================= notify: netmgmt@samart.co.th ============================================================= 3. The pTLA Applicant MUST have a potential "user community" that would be served by its becoming a pTLA, e.g., the Applicant is a major provider of Internet service in a region, country, or focus of interest. Applicant must provide a statement and information in support this claim. ============================================================= Samart Infonet is one of ISPs in Thailand. Our company've merged with other Samart's subsidiary companies to act as system integrator. We provide internet access and total solution for both individual users,corportate, education and government organization. However, our main customers are corporate,education and government organization.Since the merging and our new services, we're expanding our network and infrastructure in a drive to provide customers with the most efficient and cost-effective Internet connections. There are over 30 access networks served for our individual internet access users and more than 500 customers that are corporate, education and government organization. For the 6bone pTLA, we have plan to test within our network and our subscribers.(A lot of our customers're interested and would like to test IPv6.) We welcome whoever want to connect us with 6BONE prefix. Now we have a direct link to Japan Telecom for IPv6 testing purpose. We also plan to request IPv6 address space from APNIC and then we will provide the IPv6 commercial services in the future Our web site is http://www.samart.co.th ============================================================= 4. The pTLA Applicant MUST commit to abide by the current 6Bone operational rules and policies as they exist at time of its application, and agree to abide by future 6Bone backbone operational rules and policies as they evolve by consensus of the 6Bone backbone and user community. ============================================================= We agree to all current and future operational rules and policies. ============================================================= When an Applicant seeks to receive a pTLA allocation, it will apply to the 6Bone Operations Group (see section 8 below) by providing to the Group information in support of its claims that it meets the criteria above. 8. 6Bone Operations Group The 6Bone Operations Group is the group in charge of monitoring and policing adherence to the current rules. Membership in the 6Bone Operations Group is mandatory for, and restricted to, sites connected to the 6Bone. The 6Bone Operations Group is currently defined by those members of the existing 6Bone mailing list who represent sites participating in the 6Bone. Therefore it is incumbent on relevant site contacts to join the 6Bone mailing list. Instructions on how to join the list are maintained on the 6Bone web site at < http://www.6bone.net>. -end From pekkas@netcore.fi Wed Apr 23 09:15:44 2003 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:15:44 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [6bone] pTLA request by SAMART-TH - review closes 6 May 2003 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422223305.00b80968@mail.addr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bob Fink wrote: > SAMART-TH has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully > compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this will close 6 May > 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. Narumol, Are you aware that APNIC offers experimental allocations? Those might be better fit for your purpose, I think. > === > 7. Guidelines for 6Bone pTLA sites > > The following rules apply to qualify for a 6Bone pTLA allocation. It > should be recognized that holders of 6Bone pTLA allocations are > expected to provide production quality backbone network services for > the 6Bone. > > 1. The pTLA Applicant must have a minimum of three (3) months > qualifying experience as a 6Bone end-site or pNLA transit. During > the entire qualifying period the Applicant must be operationally > providing the following: > > ============================================================= > We have been connected to the 6Bone since 03 JAN 2003 as a 6Bone > end-site. > ============================================================= > > a. Fully maintained, up to date, 6Bone Registry entries for their > ipv6-site inet6num, mntner, and person objects, including each > tunnel that the Applicant has. > > ============================================================= > ipv6-site: SAMART-TH > origin: AS4741 > descr: Samart IPv6 site > country: TH > prefix: 3FFE:400B:6006::/48 > tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 v4v6.ipv6.samart.co.th -> ipv6-gw66.inet.co.th > INET-TH BGP4+ > contact: CN4-6BONE > url: http://www.ipv6.samart.co.th > notify: netmgmt@samart.co.th > mnt-by: MAINT-TH-SAMART > changed: dorn@samart.co.th 20030103 > changed: dorn@samart.co.th 20030113 > changed: dorn@samart.co.th 20030113 > changed: dorn@samart.co.th 20030416 > source: 6BONE > > ============================================================= > > b. Fully maintained, and reliable, BGP4+ peering and connectivity > between the Applicant's boundary router and the appropriate > connection point into the 6Bone. This router must be IPv6 > pingable. This criteria is judged by members of the 6Bone > Operations Group at the time of the Applicant's pTLA request. > > ============================================================= > Tunnel1 [up/up] ---> INET-TH > FE80::CB95:102 > 3FFE:400B:400B::15 > > Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ > Up/Down State/PfxRcd > 3FFE:400B:400B::14 > 4 4618 47492 19893 33585 0 0 23:22:42 439 > ============================================================= > > c. Fully maintained DNS forward (AAAA) and reverse (ip6.int) > entries for the Applicant's router(s) and at least one host > system. > > ============================================================= > We have configured IPv6 DNS on 203.149.0.55 (ns.ipv6.samart.co.th) > > ns IN AAAA 3FFE:400B:6006::2 > www IN AAAA 3FFE:400B:6006::2 > v6v4 IN AAAA 3FFE:400B:6006::1 > > $ORIGIN 0.0.0.0.6.0.0.6.B.0.0.4.E.F.F.3.ip6.int > 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR v6v4.ipv6.samart.co.th > 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 IN PTR ns.ipv6.samart.co.th > ============================================================= > > d. A fully maintained, and reliable, IPv6-accessible system > providing, at a mimimum, one or more web pages, describing the > Applicant's IPv6 services. This server must be IPv6 pingable. > > ============================================================= > Our IPv6 pingable WWW server is www.ipv6.samart.co.th, and it's accessible > by both IPv6 and IPv4 > ============================================================= > > 2. The pTLA Applicant MUST have the ability and intent to provide > "production-quality" 6Bone backbone service. Applicants must > provide a statement and information in support of this claim. > This MUST include the following: > > a. A support staff of two persons minimum, three preferable, with > person attributes registered for each in the ipv6-site object > for the pTLA applicant. > > ============================================================= > 3 persons: > person: CN4-6BONE, Chonlatan Naranong (dorn@samart.co.th) > person: NS7-6BONE, Narumol Somboon (narumols@samtel.com) > person: SP13-6BONE, Seksan Potajatikul (seksanp@samtel.com) > ============================================================= > > b. A common mailbox for support contact purposes that all support > staff have acess to, pointed to with a notify attribute in the > ipv6-site object for the pTLA Applicant. > > ============================================================= > notify: netmgmt@samart.co.th > ============================================================= > > 3. The pTLA Applicant MUST have a potential "user community" that > would be served by its becoming a pTLA, e.g., the Applicant is a > major provider of Internet service in a region, country, or focus > of interest. Applicant must provide a statement and information in > support this claim. > > ============================================================= > Samart Infonet is one of ISPs in Thailand. Our company've merged with other > Samart's subsidiary companies to act as system integrator. We provide > internet access and total solution for both individual users,corportate, > education and government organization. However, our main customers > are corporate,education and government organization.Since the merging > and our new services, we're expanding our network and infrastructure in a > drive to provide customers with the most efficient and cost-effective > Internet connections. There are over 30 access networks served for our > individual internet access users and more than 500 customers that are > corporate, education and government organization. > For the 6bone pTLA, we have plan to test within our network and our > subscribers.(A lot of our customers're interested and would like to test IPv6.) > We welcome whoever want to connect us with 6BONE prefix. Now we have > a direct link to Japan Telecom for IPv6 testing purpose. We also plan to > request IPv6 address space from APNIC and then we will provide the IPv6 > commercial services in the future > Our web site is http://www.samart.co.th > ============================================================= > > 4. The pTLA Applicant MUST commit to abide by the current 6Bone > operational rules and policies as they exist at time of its > application, and agree to abide by future 6Bone backbone > operational rules and policies as they evolve by consensus of the > 6Bone backbone and user community. > > ============================================================= > We agree to all current and future operational rules and policies. > ============================================================= > > When an Applicant seeks to receive a pTLA allocation, it will apply > to the 6Bone Operations Group (see section 8 below) by providing to > the Group information in support of its claims that it meets the > criteria above. > > 8. 6Bone Operations Group > > The 6Bone Operations Group is the group in charge of monitoring and > policing adherence to the current rules. Membership in the 6Bone > Operations Group is mandatory for, and restricted to, sites connected > to the 6Bone. > > The 6Bone Operations Group is currently defined by those members of > the existing 6Bone mailing list who represent sites participating in > the 6Bone. Therefore it is incumbent on relevant site contacts to > join the 6Bone mailing list. Instructions on how to join the list are > maintained on the 6Bone web site at < http://www.6bone.net>. > > -end > > _______________________________________________ > 6bone mailing list > 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone > -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From pekkas@netcore.fi Thu Apr 24 13:27:40 2003 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:27:40 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [6bone] 6bone-phaseout-01 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422075342.01fc9488@mail.addr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bob Fink wrote: > Per the San Francisco 6bone BOF I have updated the draft with dates for the > phaseout to reflect the consensus at the meeting. > > Jan 1, 2004 allocation cutoff > June 6, 2006 phaseout > > (note that in the -01 draft I missed the phaseout date in the intro, so > please ignore that... will fix in next draft) > > Also the IANA considerations was changed per some comments. > > > > Let us see if we can reach some consensus soon on this so we can forward it > for BCP or Informational as soon as possible. Note that the document states "Informational", so if we decide on BCP, the doc needs to be updated. Process-wise, an Informational individual submission goes to the RFC Editor. It is not a standards track document. 6bone address allocations RFC went to IESG because is was an Experimental working group submission. On the other hand, BCP would go directly to the IESG, and have a 4-week IETF last call. So, it seems to me that BCP might be slightly preferable (but might be slightly more complicated), but the difference is not too great in practice and I'm OK with either. The only nits I could see was that References need to be split, and that the authors don't have affiliations in the I-D header (but I don't think it's necessary -- and considering the consequences, may be desirable). -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From tbegin@tf1.fr Thu Apr 24 13:45:04 2003 From: tbegin@tf1.fr (BEGIN, Thomas) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:45:04 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Dynamic DNS Message-ID: <745A3632968F53438280A8320C535AD21A6B0A@MSGEXS21.tf1.groupetf1.fr> Hello, I'm working on the relationship between IPv6 and DynamicDNS on several OS. I've succeeded in making my testbed with an automatic registration into the DNS at the startup of computers. Then IPv4 and v6 addresses are well recorded inside the DNS. But the fact is that I still have the IPv4 network. Next I tried to put off the IPv4 protocol from the network and get an only IPv6 network. * For the linux machines -> no problems * For the windows 2003 machines -> they are no more recorded inside the DNS table Thus I have few questions about this thema : - Is there anything special to setup in the OS to allow dynamic updates over IPv6 ? may be in the netsh tool ? I've searched myself and haven't found ... - Is IPv4 necessary to carry the register messages that serves for the dynamic DNS updates ? It would mean that IPv6 is not autonomous on the new windows OS ? strange ... - Is there an equivalent of the command ipconfig /registerdns ... that exists when IPv4 is shut down ? Regards - Thomas From cmitch@windows.microsoft.com Thu Apr 24 20:55:58 2003 From: cmitch@windows.microsoft.com (Chris Mitchell) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:55:58 -0700 Subject: [6bone] Dynamic DNS Message-ID: <7AA9FE9DAF2C0947B47A0D7F87DBD92EC61163@win-msg-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Thomas, you should be able to type "Netsh I ipv add dns" from the Command Prompt on Windows 2003 to enable IPv6 DNS. You will need to make sure the address of the DNS server is reachable by default address, fec0:0:0:ffff::1-3 I hope this helps, Thanks Chris Mitchell Microsoft Corporation -----Original Message----- From: 6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu] On Behalf Of BEGIN, Thomas Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:45 AM To: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu Hello, I'm working on the relationship between IPv6 and DynamicDNS on several OS. I've succeeded in making my testbed with an automatic registration into the DNS at the startup of computers. Then IPv4 and v6 addresses are well recorded inside the DNS. But the fact is that I still have the IPv4 network. Next I tried to put off the IPv4 protocol from the network and get an only IPv6 network. * For the linux machines -> no problems * For the windows 2003 machines -> they are no more recorded inside the DNS table Thus I have few questions about this thema : - Is there anything special to setup in the OS to allow dynamic updates over IPv6 ? may be in the netsh tool ? I've searched myself and haven't found ... - Is IPv4 necessary to carry the register messages that serves for the dynamic DNS updates ? It would mean that IPv6 is not autonomous on the new windows OS ? strange ... - Is there an equivalent of the command ipconfig /registerdns ... that exists when IPv4 is shut down ? Regards - Thomas _______________________________________________ 6bone mailing list 6bone@mailman.isi.edu http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone From jeroen@unfix.org Thu Apr 24 23:17:17 2003 From: jeroen@unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:17:17 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Dynamic DNS In-Reply-To: <745A3632968F53438280A8320C535AD21A6B0A@MSGEXS21.tf1.groupetf1.fr> Message-ID: <003801c30aaf$44ae3d10$210d640a@unfix.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C30AC0.08370D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BEGIN, Thomas wrote: > I'm working on the relationship between IPv6 and DynamicDNS > on several OS. I use the attached (hope it comes through) script in combination with some tools (yups I can't avoid awk ;) as described in the beginning of the script to register the primary (LAN) interface of my laptop whereever I carry it. For the rest just follow the documentation on: http://ops.ietf.org/dns/dynupd/secure-ddns-howto.html Greets, Jeroen ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C30AC0.08370D10 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="update.cmd" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="update.cmd" rem @echo off rem ################################################################## rem Windows NT (NT4/2k/2k3) IPv4 & IPv6 Secure DNS Update Script rem ################################################################## rem Get the UnxUtils from http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ and install = them somewhere rem Then adjust your path. rem Get the nsupdate program + libs from ISC (www.isc.org), usually the = bind9 distro. rem Then copy over the K*.private & K*.key over for the host to your = box. rem Change the config below, et tada ;) rem ################################################################## rem Our config rem ################################################################## set HOSTNAME=3Dlimbo set DOMAIN=3Dunfix.org set KEYFILE=3DC:\Programs\Net\Bind\Klimbo.unfix.org.+157+34970.key set UNX=3DC:\Programs\Misc\Unix set NSUPDATE=3DC:\Programs\Net\Bind\nsupdate set SCRIPT=3Dc:\Programs\Net\Bind\cmd.txt set INTERFACE=3D3 rem = ###################################################################### rem The Script rem = ###################################################################### rem Specify a sane DNS Server rem Done because on NT nsupdate can't find /etc/resolv.conf that easily = :) %UNX%\echo -n "server" >%SCRIPT% ipconfig /all | grep "DNS Servers" | cut -f2 -d: >>%SCRIPT% rem Delete the old ones %UNX%\echo "update delete %HOSTNAME%.%DOMAIN% A" >>%SCRIPT% %UNX%\echo "update delete %HOSTNAME%.%DOMAIN% AAAA" >>%SCRIPT% %UNX%\echo "update delete %HOSTNAME%.ipv4.%DOMAIN% A" >>%SCRIPT% %UNX%\echo "update delete %HOSTNAME%.ipv6.%DOMAIN% AAAA" >>%SCRIPT% rem Add the IPv4 address. %UNX%\echo -n "update add %HOSTNAME%.%DOMAIN% 360 A" >>%SCRIPT% ipconfig /all | grep "IP Address" | cut -f2 -d: >>%SCRIPT% %UNX%\echo -n "update add %HOSTNAME%.ipv4.%DOMAIN% 360 A" >>%SCRIPT% ipconfig /all | grep "IP Address" | cut -f2 -d: >>%SCRIPT% rem Add the IPv6 address. %UNX%\echo -n "update add %HOSTNAME%.%DOMAIN% 360 AAAA " >>%SCRIPT% ipv6 if %INTERFACE% | grep addrconf | awk "{print $3; }" | cut -f1 -d, = >>%SCRIPT% %UNX%\echo -n "update add %HOSTNAME%.ipv6.%DOMAIN% 360 AAAA " >>%SCRIPT% ipv6 if %INTERFACE% | grep addrconf | awk "{print $3; }" | cut -f1 -d, = >>%SCRIPT% rem And send the update %UNX%\echo "send" >>%SCRIPT% %NSUPDATE% -k %KEYFILE% %SCRIPT% ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C30AC0.08370D10-- From tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Thu Apr 24 23:34:47 2003 From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:34:47 +0100 Subject: [6bone] Dynamic DNS In-Reply-To: <7AA9FE9DAF2C0947B47A0D7F87DBD92EC61163@win-msg-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <7AA9FE9DAF2C0947B47A0D7F87DBD92EC61163@win-msg-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20030424223446.GA6776@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Interesting, I didn't realise that draft-ietf-ipv6-dns-discovery had been implemented... Given the imminent deprecation of site-locals (although with a few zillion endless emails between the same 3 or 4 people on ipng, it is hard to tell :) implementing site-locals on your site may not be wise, just to get DNS discovery. I do believe that stateless DNS discovery is important. Many people seem to theink DHCPv6 is the only way to do this. There's a couple of interesting drafts on using RA piggybacking for it though. Tim On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 12:55:58PM -0700, Chris Mitchell wrote: > Thomas, you should be able to type "Netsh I ipv add dns" from the > Command Prompt on Windows 2003 to enable IPv6 DNS. You will need to > make sure the address of the DNS server is reachable by default address, > fec0:0:0:ffff::1-3 > > I hope this helps, > Thanks > Chris Mitchell > Microsoft Corporation > > -----Original Message----- > From: 6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu] > On Behalf Of BEGIN, Thomas > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 5:45 AM > To: 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > > Hello, > > I'm working on the relationship between IPv6 and DynamicDNS on several > OS. > I've succeeded in making my testbed with an automatic registration into > the DNS at the startup of computers. > Then IPv4 and v6 addresses are well recorded inside the DNS. But the > fact is that I still have the IPv4 network. > Next I tried to put off the IPv4 protocol from the network and get an > only IPv6 network. > * For the linux machines -> no problems > * For the windows 2003 machines -> they are no more recorded inside the > DNS table > > Thus I have few questions about this thema : > - Is there anything special to setup in the OS to allow dynamic updates > over IPv6 ? may be in the netsh tool ? I've searched myself and haven't > found ... > - Is IPv4 necessary to carry the register messages that serves for the > dynamic DNS updates ? It would mean that IPv6 is not autonomous on the > new windows OS ? strange ... > - Is there an equivalent of the command ipconfig /registerdns ... that > exists when IPv4 is shut down ? > > Regards > - Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > 6bone mailing list > 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone > > > _______________________________________________ > 6bone mailing list > 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone From Jasminko.W.Mulahusic@telia.se Fri Apr 25 08:41:02 2003 From: Jasminko.W.Mulahusic@telia.se (Jasminko.W.Mulahusic@telia.se) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:41:02 +0200 Subject: [6bone] Dynamic DNS Message-ID: <7B64D9FB62EB42449683BA51E9AB2AE8D72F82@TMS031MB.tcad.telia.se> > on ipng, it is hard to tell :) implementing site-locals on > your site may not be wise, just to get DNS discovery. why have site-locals been chosen instead of anycast? > There's a couple of interesting drafts on using RA > piggybacking for it though. requires changes to the v6 standard? jasminko From mohacsi@niif.hu Fri Apr 25 12:00:09 2003 From: mohacsi@niif.hu (Janos Mohacsi) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [6bone] Dynamic DNS In-Reply-To: <7B64D9FB62EB42449683BA51E9AB2AE8D72F82@TMS031MB.tcad.telia.se> References: <7B64D9FB62EB42449683BA51E9AB2AE8D72F82@TMS031MB.tcad.telia.se> Message-ID: <20030425115654.K470@evil.ki.iif.hu> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 Jasminko.W.Mulahusic@telia.se wrote: > > on ipng, it is hard to tell :) implementing site-locals on > > your site may not be wise, just to get DNS discovery. > > why have site-locals been chosen instead of anycast? There are couple of DNS discovery mechanism implemented and tested in KAME: via DHCPv6 via multicast DNS Recently I see a kind of consensus to have site local addresses for site DNS, since it is easier to implement, than the discovery mechanisms. This site-local could be anycast. As far as I know, usage of anycast is not very welcome if you expect response from addressesed node (in case of DNS). Regards, Janos Mohacsi From wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au Fri Apr 25 12:56:38 2003 From: wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au (Anand Kumria) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:56:38 +1000 Subject: [6bone] pTLA request by SAMART-TH - review closes 6 May 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422223305.00b80968@mail.addr.com> Message-ID: <20030425115637.GU3876@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 11:15:44AM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bob Fink wrote: > > SAMART-TH has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully > > compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this will close 6 May > > 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. > > Narumol, > > Are you aware that APNIC offers experimental allocations? Those might be > better fit for your purpose, I think. > Well I certainly wasn't. Are you able to provide a link/pointer to that policy at all? I couldn't find anything on their website to indicate experimental allocation was being undertaken. Thanks, Anancd -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada From pekkas@netcore.fi Fri Apr 25 14:13:28 2003 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:13:28 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [6bone] pTLA request by SAMART-TH - review closes 6 May 2003 In-Reply-To: <20030425115637.GU3876@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Anand Kumria wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 11:15:44AM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bob Fink wrote: > > > SAMART-TH has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully > > > compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this will close 6 May > > > 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. > > > > Narumol, > > > > Are you aware that APNIC offers experimental allocations? Those might be > > better fit for your purpose, I think. > > > > Well I certainly wasn't. Are you able to provide a link/pointer to that > policy at all? > > I couldn't find anything on their website to indicate experimental > allocation was being undertaken. http://www.apnic.net/docs/drafts/apnic-draft-experiment-v001.html -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au Fri Apr 25 14:22:55 2003 From: wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au (Anand Kumria) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:22:55 +1000 Subject: [6bone] pTLA request by SAMART-TH - review closes 6 May 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <20030425115637.GU3876@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030425132254.GV3876@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 04:13:28PM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Anand Kumria wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 11:15:44AM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bob Fink wrote: > > > > SAMART-TH has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully > > > > compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this will close 6 May > > > > 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. > > > > > > Narumol, > > > > > > Are you aware that APNIC offers experimental allocations? Those might be > > > better fit for your purpose, I think. > > > > > > > Well I certainly wasn't. Are you able to provide a link/pointer to that > > policy at all? > > > > I couldn't find anything on their website to indicate experimental > > allocation was being undertaken. > > http://www.apnic.net/docs/drafts/apnic-draft-experiment-v001.html Thanks for the pointer. I think sections 6.1, 6.2, 7, 8 and 12 would give almost anyone pause. I'm sure that document has an intended, useful, audience in mind. I just can not think of who that would be at all. Certainly I can't see it fitting SAMART-TH's request. Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada From dan@reeder.name Sat Apr 26 08:22:44 2003 From: dan@reeder.name (Dan Reeder) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:22:44 +1000 Subject: [6bone] pTLA request by SAMART-TH - review closes 6 May 2003 References: <20030425115637.GU3876@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> <20030425132254.GV3876@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <003401c30bc4$b16fde20$0200a8c0@elf> >Thanks for the pointer. I think sections 6.1, 6.2, 7, 8 and 12 would >give almost anyone pause. hence most of australia's desire to bypass apnic in all things allocation-related, or at least until apnic decides to start living in the real world for a change. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anand Kumria" To: "Pekka Savola" Cc: "Bob Fink" ; "6BONE List" <6bone@mailman.isi.edu>; "Narumol Somboon" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [6bone] pTLA request by SAMART-TH - review closes 6 May 2003 > On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 04:13:28PM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Anand Kumria wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 11:15:44AM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > > > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bob Fink wrote: > > > > > SAMART-TH has requested a pTLA allocation and I find their request fully > > > > > compliant with RFC2772. The open review period for this will close 6 May > > > > > 2003. Please send your comments to me or the list. > > > > > > > > Narumol, > > > > > > > > Are you aware that APNIC offers experimental allocations? Those might be > > > > better fit for your purpose, I think. > > > > > > > > > > Well I certainly wasn't. Are you able to provide a link/pointer to that > > > policy at all? > > > > > > I couldn't find anything on their website to indicate experimental > > > allocation was being undertaken. > > > > http://www.apnic.net/docs/drafts/apnic-draft-experiment-v001.html > > Thanks for the pointer. I think sections 6.1, 6.2, 7, 8 and 12 would > give almost anyone pause. > > I'm sure that document has an intended, useful, audience in mind. I just > can not think of who that would be at all. Certainly I can't see it fitting > SAMART-TH's request. > > Regards, > Anand > > -- > `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. > When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never > leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada > _______________________________________________ > 6bone mailing list > 6bone@mailman.isi.edu > http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone > From andree@bos.nl Mon Apr 28 14:52:23 2003 From: andree@bos.nl (Andree Toonk) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:52:23 +0200 Subject: [6bone] IPv6 traffic accounting Message-ID: <20030428135223.GB4603@wnet.bos.nl> Hello everyone, I would like to measure how much IPv6 traffic is passing a (Cisco) router. does anyone know if this is possible with a recent IOS? Would it be possible to do this with SNMP? The same question for juniper, can I do IPv6 traffic accounting on a juniper? Thanks in advance, Andree From pim@ipng.nl Mon Apr 28 15:44:34 2003 From: pim@ipng.nl (Pim van Pelt) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:44:34 +0200 Subject: [6bone] IPv6 traffic accounting In-Reply-To: <20030428135223.GB4603@wnet.bos.nl> References: <20030428135223.GB4603@wnet.bos.nl> Message-ID: <20030428144434.GB27196@bfib.colo.bit.nl> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:52:23PM +0200, Andree Toonk wrote: | Hello everyone, | | I would like to measure how much IPv6 traffic is passing a (Cisco) router. | does anyone know if this is possible with a recent IOS? | Would it be possible to do this with SNMP? I do not know if works and if so, how to do it on IOS. I'm very interrested in it nonetheless! | The same question for juniper, can I do IPv6 traffic accounting on a juniper? Well on a Juniper you can count all traffic that is blocked (or passed) through a filter. In the 'then' clause of your statement, you can count traffic by stating 'set then count mycounter'. You can then view packet/octetcount simply by issuing a 'show firewall filter myfilter'. For example, in my case a filter 'f-re6' protects my routing engine. It has: term icmp6 { from { next-header [ icmp icmpv6 ]; } then { count icmp-acceptcount; accept; } } term else { then { count re6-dropcount; log; reject tcp-reset; } } pim@jun1.kelvin# run show firewall filter f-re6 Filter: f-re6 Counters: Name Bytes Packets icmp-acceptcount 3840 56 re6-dropcount 640 8 On JunOS, you cannot see what traffic _types_ pass through an interface. Typing something like "show interfaces ge-0/1/0.23 extensive" does give you stats (packets and octets as well as 5 minute averages), but this is a layer2 mechanism so it cannot offer you information on IPv4/IPv6. The only way I can think of is via filters (which may of course simply be of the form "from any to any then accept count mycounter", which is readable via SNMP. MIBs for JunOS filters are available. Note that SNMP and CLI polling of the filter counters is not realtime. The IP2 periodically (I do not know when, but every couple of seconds or so) sends the information to the RE, I think. -- ---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- Pim van Pelt Email: pim@ipng.nl http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment ----------------------------------------------- From rfurda@best.ca Mon Apr 28 21:06:51 2003 From: rfurda@best.ca (Richard Furda) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:06:51 +0200 Subject: [6bone] IPv6 traffic accounting Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030428220636.02c40ab0@daemon.best.ca> Hello, IP accounting and other accounting methods are quite primitive and do not offer such flexibility as netflow. It appears as Netflow v9 supports IPv6. I haven't tested it, although in v4 world Netflow provides more than one might need. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1829/products_feature_guide09186a00801341b2.html#1036433 Richard At 04:44 PM 4/28/2003 +0200, you wrote: >On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:52:23PM +0200, Andree Toonk wrote: >| Hello everyone, >| >| I would like to measure how much IPv6 traffic is passing a (Cisco) router. >| does anyone know if this is possible with a recent IOS? >| Would it be possible to do this with SNMP? >I do not know if works and if so, how to do it on IOS. I'm very >interrested in it nonetheless! > >| The same question for juniper, can I do IPv6 traffic accounting on a >juniper? >Well on a Juniper you can count all traffic that is blocked (or passed) >through a filter. In the 'then' clause of your statement, you can count >traffic by stating 'set then count mycounter'. You can then view >packet/octetcount simply by issuing a 'show firewall filter myfilter'. >For example, in my case a filter 'f-re6' protects my routing engine. It >has: > >term icmp6 { > from { > next-header [ icmp icmpv6 ]; > } > then { > count icmp-acceptcount; > accept; > } >} >term else { > then { > count re6-dropcount; > log; > reject tcp-reset; > } >} > >pim@jun1.kelvin# run show firewall filter f-re6 >Filter: f-re6 >Counters: >Name Bytes Packets >icmp-acceptcount 3840 56 >re6-dropcount 640 8 > >On JunOS, you cannot see what traffic _types_ pass through an interface. >Typing something like "show interfaces ge-0/1/0.23 extensive" does give >you stats (packets and octets as well as 5 minute averages), but this is >a layer2 mechanism so it cannot offer you information on IPv4/IPv6. The >only way I can think of is via filters (which may of course simply be of >the form "from any to any then accept count mycounter", which is readable >via SNMP. MIBs for JunOS filters are available. Note that SNMP and CLI >polling of the filter counters is not realtime. The IP2 periodically (I >do not know when, but every couple of seconds or so) sends the >information to the RE, I think. > >-- >---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- >Pim van Pelt Email: pim@ipng.nl >http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment >----------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >6bone mailing list >6bone@mailman.isi.edu >http://mailman.isi.edu/mailman/listinfo/6bone From robson.oliveira@ipv6dobrasil.com.br Wed Apr 30 23:50:52 2003 From: robson.oliveira@ipv6dobrasil.com.br (Robson Oliveira) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:50:52 -0300 Subject: [6bone] IPv6 SEAL COMPLIANCE - Adding value at your efforts Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C30F51.CE7445C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Today, we could increase the value of IPv6 compliance Company. Based on Y2K example, I suggest we create an "IPv6 Seal Compliance" to add value at the companies efforts. If your company/product is IPv6-enable, there are a lot of reasons to you join us to describe the rules to create it and promote this initiative. I believe the market will see this value before purchase any product. Let's stop the chicken and egg discussion and promote the IPv6 Products. Cheers, Robson Oliveira CTO - IPv6 do Brasil Email: Phone: (55-11) 6693-5968 Mobile: (55-11) 9866-0414 This electronic message and its attachments contain PRIVILEGED AND/OR CONFIDENTIAL information, which may be subject to a legal privilege and may constitute inside information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that your use or distribution of such information, by copying or otherwise, is strictly prohibited. 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