[6bone] separating IPv6 experimental from production traffic

[Gav]

-----Original Message-----
From: 6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu [mailto:6bone-admin@mailman.isi.edu]
On Behalf Of Ronald van der Pol
Sent: 21 August 2002 19:03
To: Bill Manning
Cc: 6bone@ISI.EDU

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More and more OSes run IPv6 out of the box. End users start using
IPv6 and notice problems because there are too many routing problems
on the 6bone. So they switch off IPv6 again. We are scaring people
away from IPv6 because of the tunnel mess, old router software
and sites that don't monitor the transit they are giving to everyone.

	Rvdp

Hi All , (Sorry another long posting)

At the moment my own brief experience is that of Microsoft's IPv6
offering.
IPv6 stack can be downloaded, installed and configured for Windows 2000
(possibly 9x and NT also). Windows XP does provide IPv6 'out of the box'
though turned off by default. Typing in 'ipv6 install' into a DOS
session is not exactly brain surgery to enable it. 

The problem I (and I presume others like me, just one person trying to
experiment with a view to having a secure future (and network) involving
IPv6) is not with the availability of the protocol, but with configuring
it for use afterwards. I have an account with Freenet6 (How many more
providers like them are there, and is there a definitive list), I
download and configure their Tunnel Broker and .conf file. I get 4
replies when I do ping6 ::1 as expected.

Using 'ipv6 if'
 I get :-

Interface 4: Ethernet: Local Area Connection

  uses Neighbor Discovery

  uses Router Discovery

  link-layer address: 00-40-d0-2a-af-71

    preferred link-local fe80::240:d0ff:fe2a:af71, life infinite

    multicast interface-local ff01::1, 1 refs, not reportable

    multicast link-local ff02::1, 1 refs, not reportable

    multicast link-local ff02::1:ff2a:af71, 1 refs, last reporter

  link MTU 1500 (true link MTU 1500)

  current hop limit 128

  reachable time 27000ms (base 30000ms)

  retransmission interval 1000ms

  DAD transmits 1

Interface 3: 6to4 Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

  does not use Neighbor Discovery

  does not use Router Discovery

    preferred global 2002:3eff:c534::3eff:c534, life infinite

  link MTU 1280 (true link MTU 65515)

  current hop limit 128

  reachable time 26000ms (base 30000ms)

  retransmission interval 1000ms

  DAD transmits 0

Interface 2: Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

  does not use Neighbor Discovery

  does not use Router Discovery

  router link-layer address: 0.0.0.0

  EUI-64 embedded IPv4 address: 0.0.0.0

    preferred link-local fe80::5efe:62.255.197.52, life infinite

    preferred global ::62.255.197.52, life infinite

    preferred link-local fe80::5efe:192.168.0.1, life infinite

  link MTU 1280 (true link MTU 65515)

  current hop limit 128

  reachable time 37000ms (base 30000ms)

  retransmission interval 1000ms

  DAD transmits 0

Interface 1: Loopback Pseudo-Interface

  does not use Neighbor Discovery

  does not use Router Discovery

  link-layer address: 

    preferred link-local ::1, life infinite

    preferred link-local fe80::1, life infinite

  link MTU 1500 (true link MTU 4294967295)

  current hop limit 128

  reachable time 33500ms (base 30000ms)

  retransmission interval 1000ms

  DAD transmits 0


I have no idea what should and shouldn't be in the above data, I just
know that I can NOT do a damn thing - can't ping6 any address whatsoever
outside my LAN , no tracert6 , no access to ipv6 only websites, etc...(I
am doing it wrong, should I be connecting another way? - There is a lot
of RFC's about sure, but I sometimes get overloaded with stuff I don't
really need to know just yet.

Apart from hopefully someone pointing me in the right direction (no luck
with Freenet6 yet!) , the above was really a demonstration to back up
ideas that it is not easy to get IPv6 connectivity for people like me
(I'm guessing the whole point of the 6bone is to reach out to people
like me?)

I am moving to Australia from England in about 3 weeks now, so maybe
I'll get a better deal there but using my current situation as an
example - My current ISP and connection to the internet is NTL , if I
successfully connected to Freenet6 (for example) using IPv6 , am I
really seeing a benefit routing wise? I see no mention anywhere from NTL
about providing a through route to IPv6 networks. I'm surely therefore
bottlenecked before I even start.

Thanks for listening, I think I've just confused myself even more.
However, I promise not to leave this list until I'm fully IPv6
connected, aware, and have my own IPv6 only website. I may be here
sometime:)



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