From bmanning@ISI.EDU Thu Feb 1 03:29:21 2001 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:29:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Getting IPv6 pointers to my Domain In-Reply-To: from "Larry D. Hutchison" at Jan 31, 2001 04:50:18 PM Message-ID: <200102010329.f113TLa29224@zed.isi.edu> Talk to whomever delegated you IPv6 addresses. Todds upstream is Vigianie. % % Yes, but who at vigianie do I talk to about being an authority. Like % Network Solutions for my IPv4 host? Is there an authority to use for % obtaining these? % % % Regards: % % Larry Hutchison % -----Original Message----- % From: Todd T. Fries [mailto:todd@fries.net] % Subject: Re: Getting IPv6 pointers to my Domain % % aaaa records are like any other delegation zone. Whoever is authority % for % the zone above you can delegate to you. Aka I have: % % 3ffe:b00:4004::/48 % % The upstream authority is vigianie, who delegates to me, and thus they % have % in their zone file: % % $ORIGIN 0.0.4.0.0.b.0.e.f.f.3.ip6.int. % 4 IN NS ns0.fries.net. % IN NS ns1.fries.net. % % And then I have a zone file '4.0.0.4.0.0.b.0.e.f.f.3.ip6.int' .. inside % of % which I then record the aaaa reverse delegation for all of my hosts. % % Hope this helps... % % Penned by Larry D. Hutchison on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 03:46:13PM -0700, % we have: % | Hello all: % | % | Just wondering how to go about getting pointers or AAAA Records for my % | domain. Thanks in advance... % | % | % | Regards: % | % | Larry Hutchison % | mailto:LarryH@milarnet.com % | % | % % % % -- % Todd Fries .. todd@fries.net % -- --bill From ludx@gsut.edu.cn Tue Feb 6 02:28:26 2001 From: ludx@gsut.edu.cn (ÂÀµÂÐñ) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:28:26 +0800 Subject: Which kind router can support ipv6? Message-ID: <200102060222.f162M4U09221@tnt.isi.edu> I want buy a IPv6 router .Who can tell me which kind router can support ipv6 and which is better. rex.lv From nhua@biigroup.com Tue Feb 6 06:49:06 2001 From: nhua@biigroup.com (huaning(bii)) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:49:06 +0800 Subject: Which kind router can support ipv6? References: <200102060222.f162M4U09221@tnt.isi.edu> Message-ID: <005901c09008$fed93600$1800a8c0@hmobile> hi. It seems that there is no router really hardware-based support IPv6 yet, most of them are software-based support. You can use the pc-based router for substitute, but if you would use some special interface, especially WAN interface, like ATM, POS, T1, etc, maybe you have to buy a router, there is lots of router available, which allege they can support ipv6, like Cisco, Hitachi, NEC, Nokia,etc. I use the Cisco7507 now, it works well, but can not support large traffic cause of software-based. Pls see the URL for detail. http://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html/ipng-implementations.html Best Regards. _________________________________________________ Hua Ning Chief Engineer BII Group Holdings Ltd(Beijing Internet-networking Institute), 110E 11F China Merchants Tower, No.2 Dong Huan Nan Lu, Chao Yang District, Beijing,China Zip Code: 100022 Tel:+86-10-65660290-223 Fax:+86-10-65660297 _________________________________________________ > I want buy a IPv6 router .Who can tell me which kind router can support ipv6 and which is better. > > rex.lv > > From kristoff.bonne@skypro.be Tue Feb 6 09:39:10 2001 From: kristoff.bonne@skypro.be (Kristoff Bonne) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:39:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: Which kind router can support ipv6? In-Reply-To: <200102060222.f162M4U09221@tnt.isi.edu> Message-ID: Greetings, On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, ÂÀµÂÐñ wrote: > I want buy a IPv6 router .Who can tell me which kind router can support > ipv6 and which is better. You don not have a buy a new router for IPv6. It is better to -either- take an 'old' cisco (spare stock, like a 25xx or something) and install one of the 'ipv6 development' images on it, or -better- get hold of a old re-use PC (pentium-something or even 486), and install FreeBSD, netBSD, OpenBSD or linux on it; together with 'zebra' (http://www.zebra.org/). Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- KB905-RIPE Belgacom IP networking (c=be,a=rtt,p=belgacomgroup,s=Bonne,g=Kristoff) Internet, IP and IP/VPN kristoff.bonne@skypro.be Faxbox : +32 2 2435122 From Ivano.Guardini@CSELT.IT Wed Feb 7 09:06:34 2001 From: Ivano.Guardini@CSELT.IT (Guardini Ivano) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:06:34 +0100 Subject: pTLA request for IRCD - review closes 12 Feb 01 Message-ID: Hi all, I fully agree to assign a pTLA to IRCD and Edisontel, and CSELT will work with them to make some BGP4+ tests and operations to overcome the lack of expertise they have in this field. But reading their pTLA request I noticed a couple of statements I would like to clarify. The pTLA request should not be motivated by the start of IPv6 activities within MIX (Milan Internet Exchange). If MIX will go to experiment IPv6, MIX s.r.l. (the company that manages the exchange) should better ask a pTLA on its own, following the example of other Internet Exchanges in Europe and US. MIX has several Italian ISPs as members. It is not correct to say that Edisontel is the only MIX member to have more than 3 months of experience within the 6Bone. In fact, among the other members, Telecom Italia (through CSELT) has a 4 year experience on the 6Bone and is starting a field trial based on a recently assigned production subTLA. Bye, --Ivano > ---------- > From: Bob Fink[SMTP:fink@es.net] > Sent: lunedì 29 gennaio 2001 18.34 > To: 6BONE List > Subject: pTLA request for IRCD - review closes 12 Feb 01 > > 6bone Folk, > > IRCD has requested a pTLA allocation on behalf of Edisontel in Italy. The > open review period for this will close 12 Feb 2001. Please send any > comments to me or the list. > > > Thanks, > > Bob > > ====================================== > >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:36:15 +0100 (CET) > >From: Max Gargani > >To: Bob Fink > >Subject: Re: pTLA request > > > >7. Guidelines for 6Bone pTLA sites > > > > The following rules apply to qualify for a 6Bone pTLA allocation. It > > should be recognized that holders of 6Bone pTLA allocations are > > expected to provide production quality backbone network services for > > the 6Bone. > > > > 1. The pTLA Applicant must have a minimum of three (3) months > > qualifying experience as a 6Bone end-site or pNLA transit. > During > > the entire qualifying period the Applicant must be operationally > > providing the following: > > > > a. Fully maintained, up to date, 6Bone Registry entries for their > > ipv6-site inet6num, mntner, and person objects, including each > > tunnel that the Applicant has. > > > >We have a fully maintained entry on 6Bone database: > >ipv6-site: IRCD > >origin: AS5609 > >descr: IRCd Italia > >country: IT > >prefix: 3FFE:1001:200::/44 > >application: ping ping.ipv6.ircd.it > >application: irc irc6.ircd.it > >application: www www.ipv6.ircd.it > >tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 c7505-v6.ircd.it -> 6bone-gw3.ipv6.cselt.it > >CSELT STA > >TIC > >tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 c7505-v6.ircd.it -> route.ipv6.tobit.com TOBIT > >STATIC > >tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 c7505-v6.ircd.it -> > >exchange4-e0.ltn.panservice.it PA > >NSERVICE STATIC > >tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 c7505-v6.ircd.it -> rap.viagenie.qc.ca > VIAGENIE > >STATI > >C > >contact: MAX1-6BONE > >remarks: ipv6-site is operational since March 2000 > > Tunnel Broker Available > >remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 > >registry > >url: > >mnt-by: IRCD-MNT > >changed: max@ipng.it 20000321 > >changed: max@ipng.it 20000618 > >changed: max@ipng.it 20000918 > >changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 > >source: 6BONE > > > >person: Massimiliano Gargani > >address: Edisontel S.p.A. > > Foro Buonaparte, 31 > > I-20121 MILANO > > Italy > >phone: +39 02 6222.1 > >fax-no: +39 02 6222.8006 > >e-mail: max@ipng.it > >nic-hdl: MAX1-6BONE > >remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 > >registry > >notify: max@ipng.it > >changed: max@ipng.it 20000718 > >changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 > >source: 6BONE > > > >person: Sergio Chiesa > >address: Edisontel S.p.A. > > Foro Buonaparte, 31 > > I-20121 MILANO > > Italy > >phone: +39 02 6222.1 > >fax-no: +39 02 6222.8006 > >e-mail: s.chiesa@ipng.it > >nic-hdl: SC2-6BONE > >remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 > >registry > >changed: s.chiesa@ipng.it 20000717 > >changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 > >source: 6BONE > > > >person: Andrea Colangelo > >address: Edisontel S.p.A. > > Foro Buonaparte, 31 > > I-20121 MILANO > > Italy > >phone: +39 02 6222.1 > >fax-no: +39 02 6222.8006 > >e-mail: a.colangelo@ipng.it > >nic-hdl: AC1-6BONE > >remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 > >registry > >changed: a.colangelo@ipng.it 20000717 > >changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 > >source: 6BONE > > > > > > b. Fully maintained, and reliable, BGP4+ peering and connectivity > > between the Applicant's boundary router and the appropriate > > connection point into the 6Bone. This router must be IPv6 > > pingable. This criteria is judged by members of the 6Bone > > Operations Group at the time of the Applicant's pTLA request. > > > >I haven't any IPv6 BGP peers because my address is part of CSELT address > >space and I can't annouce it to anyone. > >Anyway I have severals IPv4 BGP peers. You can check on RIPE database for > >AS15589 > > > > c. Fully maintained DNS forward (AAAA) and reverse (ip6.int) > > entries for the Applicant's router(s) and at least one host > > system. > > > >Our DNS is ready for AAAA and ip6.int. Is autoritative for > >3ffe:1001:200::/44 > > > >You can check on ns.irc6.org > > > > d. A fully maintained, and reliable, IPv6-accessible system > > providing, at a mimimum, one or more web pages, describing the > > Applicant's IPv6 services. This server must be IPv6 pingable. > > > >You can check www.ipv6.ircd.it (IPv6 only). On that site is described all > >what I did with IPv6 > > > >I can't grant the reachbility of the sity because in the last week I've > >noticed > >a great unstability of CSELT IPv6 network > > > > 2. The pTLA Applicant MUST have the ability and intent to provide > > "production-quality" 6Bone backbone service. Applicants must > > provide a statement and information in support of this claim. > > This MUST include the following: > > > > a. A support staff of two persons minimum, three preferable, with > > person attributes registered for each in the ipv6-site object > > for the pTLA applicant. > > > >The our ipv6 staff is composed by: > > > >Max Gargani (me) MAX1-6bone > >Sergio Chiesa SC2-6bone > >Andrea Colangelo AC1-6bone > > b. A common mailbox for support contact purposes that all support > > staff have acess to, pointed to with a notify attribute in the > > ipv6-site object for the pTLA Applicant. > > > >The common e-mail address is ipv6@ipng.it > > > > 3. The pTLA Applicant MUST have a potential "user community" that > > would be served by its becoming a pTLA, e.g., the Applicant is a > > major provider of Internet service in a region, country, or focus > > of interest. Applicant must provide a statement and information in > > support this claim. > > > >Edisontel (the company I rappresent in this request) is a Telco and ISP > >here in > >Italy. > >The pTLA will serve all other our peers in Milan Internet Exchange N.A.P. > > > >At the MIX we have created an IPv6 working group, and because I'm the > only > >to have at least 3 month on 6Bone, I'm asking for pTLA > >All other peers are the major ISP here in Italy: > > > >At the working group will partecipate Edisontel, Telecom Italia, > >Infostrada, > >Cable & Wireless Italy, Blixer, I.Net and many others > > > > 4. The pTLA Applicant MUST commit to abide by the current 6Bone > > operational rules and policies as they exist at time of its > > application, and agree to abide by future 6Bone backbone > > operational rules and policies as they evolve by consensus of the > > 6Bone backbone and user community. > > > > When an Applicant seeks to receive a pTLA allocation, it will apply > > to the 6Bone Operations Group (see section 8 below) by providing to > > the Group information in support of its claims that it meets the > > criteria above. > > > >We agree to the present and future 6Bone policies and the pTLA will be > >used > >only for experimental purpose > > > > > >8. 6Bone Operations Group > > > > The 6Bone Operations Group is the group in charge of monitoring and > > policing adherence to the current rules. Membership in the 6Bone > > Operations Group is mandatory for, and restricted to, sites connected > > to the 6Bone. > > > > The 6Bone Operations Group is currently defined by those members of > > the existing 6Bone mailing list who represent sites participating in > > the 6Bone. Therefore it is incumbent on relevant site contacts to > > join the 6Bone mailing list. Instructions on how to join the list are > > maintained on the 6Bone web site at < http://www.6bone.net>. > > > >We are already subscribed on the 6bone IPv6 mailing-list > > > >Regards, > > > >.. Massimiliano Gargani > >.. Access/Network Engineer > >.. EdisonTel S.p.A. - Italy > > > >On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Bob Fink wrote: > > > > > Max, > > > > > > You need to respond to the pTLA request form available from the 6bone > home > > > page: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would specifically call your attention to the BGP4+ and the > community of > > > users requirements. However, please review all questions and answer > them as > > > asked. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > =============================================== > > > At 05:24 PM 1/19/2001 +0100, Max Gargani wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >I have a v6 lab in Italy connected through CSELT. I have the address > space > > > >3ffe:1001:200::/44 and I'm experimenting in IPv6 since march 2000. > > > > > > > >I have several static tunnel around the world, an IPv6 IRC server > linked > > > >to IRCnet (the largest IRC net in europe), a tunnel broker service > for > > > >dynamic IP users. Web and FTP (ipv6/ipv4). > > > > > > > >You can obtain my details quering the 6bone database. > > > > > > > >My nic-handle is MAX1-6BONE > > > >the ipv6-site is IRCD > > > > > > > >I'm asking to become pTLA. I have severals peering IPv4 in twn > italian > > > >N.A.P. in Milan and Rome. > > > > > > > >My DNS is ready for AAAA and ip6.int and is autoritative for prefix > > > >3ffe:1001:200::/44 > > > > > > > >The other 2 person who are working with me at IPv6 development are: > > > > > > > >Sergio Chiesa (SC2-6BONE) > > > >Andrea Colangelo (AC1-6BONE) > > > > > > > >the common e-mail address is ipv6@ipng.it > > > > > > > >The pTLA will part of an IPv6 working group to which take parte most > of > > > >the Milan Internet Exchange peers. > > > > > > > >I used IRCD as ipv6-site because I start IPv6 experimentation with > IRC > > > >servers and so I preferred register it for Italian IRC community, but > now > > > >I request the pTLA as Edisontel S.p.A. (ASn 15589 network: > 62.94.0.0/16) > > > > > > > >I hope this is enough to become pTLA. > > > > > > > >Let me know. > > > > > > > >TIA, > > > > > > > >.. Massimiliano Gargani > > > >.. Access/Network Engineer > > > >.. EdisonTel S.p.A. - Italy > > > > > > > > From fink@es.net Wed Feb 7 17:52:11 2001 From: fink@es.net (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:52:11 -0800 Subject: pTLA request for IRCD - review closes 12 Feb 01 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010207095101.024ab4c0@imap2.es.net> Ivano, Max Gargani has made this point to me to clarify this as well. Thanks, Bob At 10:06 AM 2/7/2001 +0100, Guardini Ivano wrote: >Hi all, > >I fully agree to assign a pTLA to IRCD and Edisontel, and CSELT will work >with them to make some BGP4+ tests and operations to overcome the lack >of expertise they have in this field. > >But reading their pTLA request I noticed a couple of statements I would like >to clarify. > >The pTLA request should not be motivated by the start of IPv6 activities >within >MIX (Milan Internet Exchange). If MIX will go to experiment IPv6, MIX s.r.l. >(the >company that manages the exchange) should better ask a pTLA on its own, >following the example of other Internet Exchanges in Europe and US. > >MIX has several Italian ISPs as members. It is not correct to say that >Edisontel is the only MIX member to have more than 3 months of experience >within the 6Bone. In fact, among the other members, Telecom Italia (through >CSELT) >has a 4 year experience on the 6Bone and is starting a field trial based on >a >recently assigned production subTLA. > >Bye, >--Ivano > > > > ---------- > > From: Bob Fink[SMTP:fink@es.net] > > Sent: lunedì 29 gennaio 2001 18.34 > > To: 6BONE List > > Subject: pTLA request for IRCD - review closes 12 Feb 01 > > > > 6bone Folk, > > > > IRCD has requested a pTLA allocation on behalf of Edisontel in Italy. The > > open review period for this will close 12 Feb 2001. Please send any > > comments to me or the list. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bob > > > > ====================================== > > >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:36:15 +0100 (CET) > > >From: Max Gargani > > >To: Bob Fink > > >Subject: Re: pTLA request > > > > > >7. Guidelines for 6Bone pTLA sites > > > > > > The following rules apply to qualify for a 6Bone pTLA allocation. It > > > should be recognized that holders of 6Bone pTLA allocations are > > > expected to provide production quality backbone network services for > > > the 6Bone. > > > > > > 1. The pTLA Applicant must have a minimum of three (3) months > > > qualifying experience as a 6Bone end-site or pNLA transit. > > During > > > the entire qualifying period the Applicant must be operationally > > > providing the following: > > > > > > a. Fully maintained, up to date, 6Bone Registry entries for their > > > ipv6-site inet6num, mntner, and person objects, including each > > > tunnel that the Applicant has. > > > > > >We have a fully maintained entry on 6Bone database: > > >ipv6-site: IRCD > > >origin: AS5609 > > >descr: IRCd Italia > > >country: IT > > >prefix: 3FFE:1001:200::/44 > > >application: ping ping.ipv6.ircd.it > > >application: irc irc6.ircd.it > > >application: www www.ipv6.ircd.it > > >tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 c7505-v6.ircd.it -> 6bone-gw3.ipv6.cselt.it > > >CSELT STA > > >TIC > > >tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 c7505-v6.ircd.it -> route.ipv6.tobit.com TOBIT > > >STATIC > > >tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 c7505-v6.ircd.it -> > > >exchange4-e0.ltn.panservice.it PA > > >NSERVICE STATIC > > >tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 c7505-v6.ircd.it -> rap.viagenie.qc.ca > > VIAGENIE > > >STATI > > >C > > >contact: MAX1-6BONE > > >remarks: ipv6-site is operational since March 2000 > > > Tunnel Broker Available > > >remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 > > >registry > > >url: > > >mnt-by: IRCD-MNT > > >changed: max@ipng.it 20000321 > > >changed: max@ipng.it 20000618 > > >changed: max@ipng.it 20000918 > > >changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 > > >source: 6BONE > > > > > >person: Massimiliano Gargani > > >address: Edisontel S.p.A. > > > Foro Buonaparte, 31 > > > I-20121 MILANO > > > Italy > > >phone: +39 02 6222.1 > > >fax-no: +39 02 6222.8006 > > >e-mail: max@ipng.it > > >nic-hdl: MAX1-6BONE > > >remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 > > >registry > > >notify: max@ipng.it > > >changed: max@ipng.it 20000718 > > >changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 > > >source: 6BONE > > > > > >person: Sergio Chiesa > > >address: Edisontel S.p.A. > > > Foro Buonaparte, 31 > > > I-20121 MILANO > > > Italy > > >phone: +39 02 6222.1 > > >fax-no: +39 02 6222.8006 > > >e-mail: s.chiesa@ipng.it > > >nic-hdl: SC2-6BONE > > >remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 > > >registry > > >changed: s.chiesa@ipng.it 20000717 > > >changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 > > >source: 6BONE > > > > > >person: Andrea Colangelo > > >address: Edisontel S.p.A. > > > Foro Buonaparte, 31 > > > I-20121 MILANO > > > Italy > > >phone: +39 02 6222.1 > > >fax-no: +39 02 6222.8006 > > >e-mail: a.colangelo@ipng.it > > >nic-hdl: AC1-6BONE > > >remarks: This object is automatically converted from the RIPE181 > > >registry > > >changed: a.colangelo@ipng.it 20000717 > > >changed: auto-dbm@whois.6bone.net 20010117 > > >source: 6BONE > > > > > > > > > b. Fully maintained, and reliable, BGP4+ peering and connectivity > > > between the Applicant's boundary router and the appropriate > > > connection point into the 6Bone. This router must be IPv6 > > > pingable. This criteria is judged by members of the 6Bone > > > Operations Group at the time of the Applicant's pTLA request. > > > > > >I haven't any IPv6 BGP peers because my address is part of CSELT address > > >space and I can't annouce it to anyone. > > >Anyway I have severals IPv4 BGP peers. You can check on RIPE database for > > >AS15589 > > > > > > c. Fully maintained DNS forward (AAAA) and reverse (ip6.int) > > > entries for the Applicant's router(s) and at least one host > > > system. > > > > > >Our DNS is ready for AAAA and ip6.int. Is autoritative for > > >3ffe:1001:200::/44 > > > > > >You can check on ns.irc6.org > > > > > > d. A fully maintained, and reliable, IPv6-accessible system > > > providing, at a mimimum, one or more web pages, describing the > > > Applicant's IPv6 services. This server must be IPv6 pingable. > > > > > >You can check www.ipv6.ircd.it (IPv6 only). On that site is described all > > >what I did with IPv6 > > > > > >I can't grant the reachbility of the sity because in the last week I've > > >noticed > > >a great unstability of CSELT IPv6 network > > > > > > 2. The pTLA Applicant MUST have the ability and intent to provide > > > "production-quality" 6Bone backbone service. Applicants must > > > provide a statement and information in support of this claim. > > > This MUST include the following: > > > > > > a. A support staff of two persons minimum, three preferable, with > > > person attributes registered for each in the ipv6-site object > > > for the pTLA applicant. > > > > > >The our ipv6 staff is composed by: > > > > > >Max Gargani (me) MAX1-6bone > > >Sergio Chiesa SC2-6bone > > >Andrea Colangelo AC1-6bone > > > b. A common mailbox for support contact purposes that all support > > > staff have acess to, pointed to with a notify attribute in the > > > ipv6-site object for the pTLA Applicant. > > > > > >The common e-mail address is ipv6@ipng.it > > > > > > 3. The pTLA Applicant MUST have a potential "user community" that > > > would be served by its becoming a pTLA, e.g., the Applicant is a > > > major provider of Internet service in a region, country, or focus > > > of interest. Applicant must provide a statement and information in > > > support this claim. > > > > > >Edisontel (the company I rappresent in this request) is a Telco and ISP > > >here in > > >Italy. > > >The pTLA will serve all other our peers in Milan Internet Exchange N.A.P. > > > > > >At the MIX we have created an IPv6 working group, and because I'm the > > only > > >to have at least 3 month on 6Bone, I'm asking for pTLA > > >All other peers are the major ISP here in Italy: > > > > > >At the working group will partecipate Edisontel, Telecom Italia, > > >Infostrada, > > >Cable & Wireless Italy, Blixer, I.Net and many others > > > > > > 4. The pTLA Applicant MUST commit to abide by the current 6Bone > > > operational rules and policies as they exist at time of its > > > application, and agree to abide by future 6Bone backbone > > > operational rules and policies as they evolve by consensus of the > > > 6Bone backbone and user community. > > > > > > When an Applicant seeks to receive a pTLA allocation, it will apply > > > to the 6Bone Operations Group (see section 8 below) by providing to > > > the Group information in support of its claims that it meets the > > > criteria above. > > > > > >We agree to the present and future 6Bone policies and the pTLA will be > > >used > > >only for experimental purpose > > > > > > > > >8. 6Bone Operations Group > > > > > > The 6Bone Operations Group is the group in charge of monitoring and > > > policing adherence to the current rules. Membership in the 6Bone > > > Operations Group is mandatory for, and restricted to, sites connected > > > to the 6Bone. > > > > > > The 6Bone Operations Group is currently defined by those members of > > > the existing 6Bone mailing list who represent sites participating in > > > the 6Bone. Therefore it is incumbent on relevant site contacts to > > > join the 6Bone mailing list. Instructions on how to join the list are > > > maintained on the 6Bone web site at < http://www.6bone.net>. > > > > > >We are already subscribed on the 6bone IPv6 mailing-list > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >.. Massimiliano Gargani > > >.. Access/Network Engineer > > >.. EdisonTel S.p.A. - Italy > > > > > >On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Bob Fink wrote: > > > > > > > Max, > > > > > > > > You need to respond to the pTLA request form available from the 6bone > > home > > > > page: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would specifically call your attention to the BGP4+ and the > > community of > > > > users requirements. However, please review all questions and answer > > them as > > > > asked. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > At 05:24 PM 1/19/2001 +0100, Max Gargani wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > > >I have a v6 lab in Italy connected through CSELT. I have the address > > space > > > > >3ffe:1001:200::/44 and I'm experimenting in IPv6 since march 2000. > > > > > > > > > >I have several static tunnel around the world, an IPv6 IRC server > > linked > > > > >to IRCnet (the largest IRC net in europe), a tunnel broker service > > for > > > > >dynamic IP users. Web and FTP (ipv6/ipv4). > > > > > > > > > >You can obtain my details quering the 6bone database. > > > > > > > > > >My nic-handle is MAX1-6BONE > > > > >the ipv6-site is IRCD > > > > > > > > > >I'm asking to become pTLA. I have severals peering IPv4 in twn > > italian > > > > >N.A.P. in Milan and Rome. > > > > > > > > > >My DNS is ready for AAAA and ip6.int and is autoritative for prefix > > > > >3ffe:1001:200::/44 > > > > > > > > > >The other 2 person who are working with me at IPv6 development are: > > > > > > > > > >Sergio Chiesa (SC2-6BONE) > > > > >Andrea Colangelo (AC1-6BONE) > > > > > > > > > >the common e-mail address is ipv6@ipng.it > > > > > > > > > >The pTLA will part of an IPv6 working group to which take parte most > > of > > > > >the Milan Internet Exchange peers. > > > > > > > > > >I used IRCD as ipv6-site because I start IPv6 experimentation with > > IRC > > > > >servers and so I preferred register it for Italian IRC community, but > > now > > > > >I request the pTLA as Edisontel S.p.A. (ASn 15589 network: > > 62.94.0.0/16) > > > > > > > > > >I hope this is enough to become pTLA. > > > > > > > > > >Let me know. > > > > > > > > > >TIA, > > > > > > > > > >.. Massimiliano Gargani > > > > >.. Access/Network Engineer > > > > >.. EdisonTel S.p.A. - Italy > > > > > > > > > > > > From oycavalry@china.com Thu Feb 8 03:56:25 2001 From: oycavalry@china.com (oyk) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:56:25 +0800 Subject: What's wrong with my freebsd? Message-ID: <002101c09183$2b038c50$b501010a@cavalry> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C091C6.296DFCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, everyone: My router is FreeBSD4.2, and my OS is Win2k. I can ping6 www.6bone.net = from my router, and ping6 my router from my computer; but I cann't ping6 = www.6bone.net from my computer. What's wrong with them? I look into my messages in FreeBSD, I found the following = information:(tail /var/log/messages) Feb 8 11:20:24 Aria rtadvd[283]: sendmsg on gif2: Network = is down Feb 8 11:22:00 Aria rtadvd[283]: sendmsg on gif1: Network = is down Feb 8 11:25:13 Aria rtadvd[283]: sendmsg on gif3: Network = is down Feb 8 11:28:31 Aria rtadvd[283]: sendmsg on gif2: Network = is down Feb 8 11:30:38 Aria rtadvd[283]: sendmsg on gif1: Network = is down Feb 8 11:34:40 Aria rtadvd[283]: sendmsg on gif3: Network = is down Feb 8 11:35:40 Aria rtadvd[283]: sendmsg on gif2: Network = is down Feb 8 11:36:13 Aria rtadvd[283]: sendmsg on gif1: Network = is down Anyone know what occur these fault? How should I deal with them ? Thank you ! ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C091C6.296DFCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, everyone:
  My router is FreeBSD4.2, = and my OS is=20 Win2k. I can ping6 www.6bone.net from my = router, and=20 ping6 my router from my computer; but = I cann't=20 ping6 www.6bone.net from my = computer. What's=20 wrong with them?
  I look into my messages in = FreeBSD, I found=20 the following information:(tail /var/log/messages)
Feb  8 11:20:24 Aria rtadvd[283]:=20 <ra_output> sendmsg on gif2: Network is down
Feb  8 = 11:22:00 Aria=20 rtadvd[283]: <ra_output> sendmsg on gif1: Network is = down
Feb  8=20 11:25:13 Aria rtadvd[283]: <ra_output> sendmsg on gif3: Network is = down
Feb  8 11:28:31 Aria rtadvd[283]: <ra_output> sendmsg = on=20 gif2: Network is down
Feb  8 11:30:38 Aria rtadvd[283]:=20 <ra_output> sendmsg on gif1: Network is down
Feb  8 = 11:34:40 Aria=20 rtadvd[283]: <ra_output> sendmsg on gif3: Network is = down
Feb  8=20 11:35:40 Aria rtadvd[283]: <ra_output> sendmsg on gif2: Network is = down
Feb  8 11:36:13 Aria rtadvd[283]: <ra_output> sendmsg = on=20 gif1: Network is down
Anyone know what occur these fault? How = should I=20 deal with them ?
   Thank you = !
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C091C6.296DFCC0-- From itojun@iijlab.net Thu Feb 8 05:57:58 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:57:58 +0900 Subject: What's wrong with my freebsd? In-Reply-To: oycavalry's message of Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:56:25 +0800. <002101c09183$2b038c50$b501010a@cavalry> Message-ID: <13367.981611878@coconut.itojun.org> >from my router, and ping6 my router from my computer; but I cann't ping6 = >www.6bone.net from my computer. What's wrong with them? > I look into my messages in FreeBSD, I found the following = >information:(tail /var/log/messages) when you start rtadvd, please explicitly specify your outgoing interfaces. /etc/rc* can play badly. # rtadvd foo0 itojun From oycavalry@china.com Thu Feb 8 07:54:57 2001 From: oycavalry@china.com (oyk) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:54:57 +0800 Subject: What's wrong with my freebsd? Message-ID: <01ab01c091a4$7d637cf0$b501010a@cavalry> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A8_01C091E7.7C0C7D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >if freebsd is like openbsd, you have to set a sysctl for ipv6 = >forwarding.. Yes, I had done it, but nothing. > >when you start rtadvd, please explicitly specify your >outgoing >interfaces. /etc/rc* can play badly. ># rtadvd foo0 > >itojun I connect 6bone( in china ) through a tunnel, before a few days, I can = connect 6bone from my computer; But now it doesn't work. I have seen the man of rtadvd, and Do it according them. But nothing. My outgoing interfaces is de0 #killall rtadvd #rtadvd de0 ...... my computer still doesn't connect 6bone. ------=_NextPart_000_01A8_01C091E7.7C0C7D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>if freebsd is like openbsd, you = have to set a=20 sysctl for ipv6 >forwarding..
Yes, I had done it, but = nothing.
 
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>when you start rtadvd, please = explicitly=20 specify your >outgoing
>interfaces.  /etc/rc* can play=20 badly.
># rtadvd foo0
>
>itojun
I connect 6bone( in = china )=20 through a tunnel, before a few days, I can connect 6bone from my=20 computer;
But now it doesn't = work.
I have seen the man of rtadvd, = and Do it=20 according them. But nothing.
My outgoing interfaces is=20 de0
#killall = rtadvd
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------=_NextPart_000_01A8_01C091E7.7C0C7D00-- From itojun@iijlab.net Thu Feb 8 09:24:36 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:24:36 +0900 Subject: What's wrong with my freebsd? In-Reply-To: oycavalry's message of Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:54:57 +0800. <01ab01c091a4$7d637cf0$b501010a@cavalry> Message-ID: <16127.981624276@coconut.itojun.org> >I connect 6bone( in china ) through a tunnel, before a few days, I can = >connect 6bone from my computer; >But now it doesn't work. >I have seen the man of rtadvd, and Do it according them. But nothing. >My outgoing interfaces is de0 >#killall rtadvd >#rtadvd de0 >...... >my computer still doesn't connect 6bone. the reachability issue has nothing to do with rtadvd. you need proper routing setups. please send the following results: - ifconfig -a - netstat -rn - ndp -n -a and tiny (ascii) diagram of your network configuration. itojun From itojun@iijlab.net Thu Feb 8 09:27:27 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:27:27 +0900 Subject: What's wrong with my freebsd? In-Reply-To: itojun's message of Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:24:36 JST. <16127.981624276@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <16225.981624447@coconut.itojun.org> >>I connect 6bone( in china ) through a tunnel, before a few days, I can = >>connect 6bone from my computer; >>But now it doesn't work. >>I have seen the man of rtadvd, and Do it according them. But nothing. >>My outgoing interfaces is de0 >>#killall rtadvd >>#rtadvd de0 >>...... >>my computer still doesn't connect 6bone. > the reachability issue has nothing to do with rtadvd. you need > proper routing setups. http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/ipv6/ should help you (though it is for NetBSD, most of the items should apply to freebsd). itojun From Joe.Eggleston" Hi all, Does anyone know of any work that talks about efficient techniques for routers to do tunneling/de-tunneling. Or how much of a performance hit it is to do tunneling (other than the bandwidth overhead from the extra header). thanks, Joe From wojboj@lp.net.pl Fri Feb 9 09:15:02 2001 From: wojboj@lp.net.pl (Wojtek Bojdo/l) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:15:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: www interface to whois database. Message-ID: Hello I wanted to add my ipv6-site to 6bone whois database, and I used www interface to change it. There I put my password to protect my records and be sure, that only somebody with it can change my records. But.. now I see that everyone on world can see my crypted password and try to decrypt it. I think that information should be protected in some way. -- Wojciech Bojdol Linux & Unix Magazine www.magazyn.tao.com.pl From extml@ndsoftware.net Fri Feb 9 14:31:10 2001 From: extml@ndsoftware.net (NDSoftware) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:31:10 +0100 Subject: Problem... Message-ID: Hi, I have RedHat Linux 6.2 with kernel 2.2.18. When in want build many tunnel i have: sit2: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type sit3: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type sit4: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type sit5: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type sit6: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type sit7: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type sit10: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type sit11: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type sit12: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type sit13: interface unknown: No peripheral of this type SIOGIFINDEX: No peripheral of this type For the first tunnel sit0/sit1, it's ok !!! In /var/log/message, i have: Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit2 Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 last message repeated 2 times Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit3 Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit4 Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 last message repeated 2 times Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit5 Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit6 Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 last message repeated 2 times Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit7 Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit10 Feb 9 12:08:26 ns207 last message repeated 2 times Feb 9 12:08:27 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit11 Feb 9 12:08:27 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit12 Feb 9 12:08:27 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit12 Feb 9 12:08:27 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit13 Feb 9 12:08:27 ns207 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sit13 All network option in the module have the option y ! I don't use module... Thanks Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware http://www.ndsoftware.net - ndsoftware@ndsoftware.net France: Tel +33 671887502 - Fax N/A UK: Tel +44 8453348750 - Fax +44 8453348751 USA: Tel N/A - Fax N/A --- Note: All HTML email sent to me can be deleted for security reasons. From Florent.Parent@viagenie.qc.ca Fri Feb 9 14:59:51 2001 From: Florent.Parent@viagenie.qc.ca (Florent Parent) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:59:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: www interface to whois database. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, You are correct. The whois server could probably be configured so that the AUTH: attribute is not returned as a response to a query. David Kessens can probably validate this ? Florent. On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Wojtek Bojdo/l wrote: > > Hello > I wanted to add my ipv6-site to 6bone whois database, and I used www > interface to change it. > There I put my password to protect my records and be sure, that only > somebody with it can change my records. > But.. now I see that everyone on world can see my crypted password and try > to decrypt it. > I think that information should be protected in some way. > > From synack@research.suspicious.org Sun Feb 11 09:59:20 2001 From: synack@research.suspicious.org (Dan) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 04:59:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: cannot ping past subnet In-Reply-To: <490B4C213EC8D211851F00105A29CA5A07A1F99C@admex1.adm.intelsat.int> Message-ID: I am currently using ipv6 address 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::6a5 setup on OpenBSD. I can ping6 all ipv6 addys in my range of 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::XXX - e.g. www.6bone.net and www.normos.org. However if I try to ping6 any addresses outside my range then I resolves the name to the ipv6 address and send the ping but it is never returned. I am unable to connect to any addresses outside my subnets. Any1 else have this prob?? - Synack From feico@pasta.cs.uit.no Sun Feb 11 19:45:40 2001 From: feico@pasta.cs.uit.no (Feico Dillema) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:45:40 +0100 Subject: cannot ping past subnet In-Reply-To: ; from synack@research.suspicious.org on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 04:59:20AM -0500 References: <490B4C213EC8D211851F00105A29CA5A07A1F99C@admex1.adm.intelsat.int> Message-ID: <20010211204540.B29594@pasta.cs.uit.no> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 04:59:20AM -0500, Dan wrote: > I am currently using ipv6 address 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::6a5 setup on OpenBSD. > I can ping6 all ipv6 addys in my range of 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::XXX - > e.g. www.6bone.net and www.normos.org. However if I try to ping6 any > addresses outside my range then I resolves the name to the ipv6 address > and send the ping but it is never returned. I am unable to connect to any > addresses outside my subnets. Any1 else have this prob?? Does ping6 -v show you any replies on the wire or any other ICMP6 messages that tell you what's up? Feico. From patjensen@mediaone.net Sun Feb 11 20:31:15 2001 From: patjensen@mediaone.net (Pat Jensen) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:31:15 -0800 Subject: cannot ping past subnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c09469$94c52980$1f8da718@we.mediaone.net> You failed to mention whether you have a default gateway configured or what routing protocols you are using. Type netstat -A inet6 -rn and look for a default route (the default destination for your packets) If you are using a routing daemon like RIPv6, make sure the daemon is running. Also, it could be possible that your prefix is configured incorrectly on your Ethernet/tunnel IF. If you need more help, I'd suggest sending your netstart/rc.conf/ipv6 rc files so that we can look at your configuration. Pat -----Original Message----- From: owner-6bone@ISI.EDU [mailto:owner-6bone@ISI.EDU]On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:59 AM To: Jae.Lee@intelsat.int Cc: 6bone@ISI.EDU Subject: cannot ping past subnet I am currently using ipv6 address 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::6a5 setup on OpenBSD. I can ping6 all ipv6 addys in my range of 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::XXX - e.g. www.6bone.net and www.normos.org. However if I try to ping6 any addresses outside my range then I resolves the name to the ipv6 address and send the ping but it is never returned. I am unable to connect to any addresses outside my subnets. Any1 else have this prob?? - Synack From synack@research.suspicious.org Sun Feb 11 09:59:20 2001 From: synack@research.suspicious.org (Dan) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 04:59:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: cannot ping past subnet In-Reply-To: <490B4C213EC8D211851F00105A29CA5A07A1F99C@admex1.adm.intelsat.int> Message-ID: I am currently using ipv6 address 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::6a5 setup on OpenBSD. I can ping6 all ipv6 addys in my range of 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::XXX - e.g. www.6bone.net and www.normos.org. However if I try to ping6 any addresses outside my range then I resolves the name to the ipv6 address and send the ping but it is never returned. I am unable to connect to any addresses outside my subnets. Any1 else have this prob?? - Synack From feico@pasta.cs.uit.no Mon Feb 12 17:03:12 2001 From: feico@pasta.cs.uit.no (Feico Dillema) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:03:12 +0100 Subject: cannot ping past subnet In-Reply-To: ; from synack@research.suspicious.org on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 04:59:20AM -0500 References: <490B4C213EC8D211851F00105A29CA5A07A1F99C@admex1.adm.intelsat.int> Message-ID: <20010212180312.K472@pasta.cs.uit.no> On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 04:59:20AM -0500, Dan wrote: > I am currently using ipv6 address 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::6a5 setup on OpenBSD. > I can ping6 all ipv6 addys in my range of 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::XXX - > e.g. www.6bone.net and www.normos.org. Are those really the addresses you ping? If ping them I got somewhat different addresses, e.g.: # ping6 www.6bone.net PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 3ffe:2a00:100:3001::2 --> 3ffe:b00:c18:1::10 16 bytes from 3ffe:b00:c18:1::10, icmp_seq=0 hlim=58 time=278.473 ms 3ffe:b00:c18:1::10 and what is your own address? Do you autoconfigure (use rtsol?) or do you manually configure your address? > However if I try to ping6 any > addresses outside my range then I resolves the name to the ipv6 address > and send the ping but it is never returned. I am unable to connect to any > addresses outside my subnets. Any1 else have this prob?? what does your routing table look like? show us netstat -rn Feico. From chaos@strange.net Mon Feb 12 19:25:03 2001 From: chaos@strange.net (Andrew Hobgood) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:25:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: cannot ping past subnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am currently using ipv6 address 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::6a5 setup on OpenBSD. > I can ping6 all ipv6 addys in my range of 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::XXX - > e.g. www.6bone.net and www.normos.org. However if I try to ping6 any > addresses outside my range then I resolves the name to the ipv6 address > and send the ping but it is never returned. I am unable to connect to any > addresses outside my subnets. Any1 else have this prob?? most other folks seem using freenet6 (myself included) seem to be having the same problem. I'm on NetBSD/KAME, and it appears that my routes are all configured properly. I've included my routing tables below if, for some reason, my routes *are* indeed messed up. As far as I can tell, however, Viagenie is just having reachability issues right now. millennium hand and shrimp, /Andrew =========== gif0: flags=8011 mtu 1280 tunnel inet 24.131.87.155 --> 206.123.31.102 inet6 fe80::210:4bff:fe8c:8ebe%gif0 -> :: prefixlen 64 scopeid 0xb inet6 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::75b -> 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::75a prefixlen 128 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags default ::1 UG default ::1 UG default 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::75b UG ::1 ::1 UH ::127.0.0.0 ::1 UG ::224.0.0.0 ::1 UG ::255.0.0.0 ::1 UG ::ffff:0.0.0.0 ::1 UG 2002:: ::1 UG 2002:7f00:: ::1 UG 2002:e000:: ::1 UG 2002:ff00:: ::1 UG 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::75a 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::75b UH 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::75b ::1 UH fe80:: ::1 UG fe80::%ex0 link#1 U fe80::%lo0 fe80::1%lo0 U fe80::%gif0 link#11 U fe80::210:4bff:fe8c:8ebe%gif0 ::1 UH fe80::%gif1 link#12 U fe80::210:4bff:fe8c:8ebe%gif1 ::1 UH fec0:: ::1 UG ff01:: ::1 U ff02::%ex0 link#1 U ff02::%lo0 fe80::1%lo0 U ff02::%gif0 link#11 U ff02::%gif1 link#12 U From itojun@iijlab.net Mon Feb 12 23:36:15 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:36:15 +0900 Subject: cannot ping past subnet In-Reply-To: feico's message of Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:03:12 +0100. <20010212180312.K472@pasta.cs.uit.no> Message-ID: <5146.982020975@coconut.itojun.org> >> I am currently using ipv6 address 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::6a5 setup on OpenBSD. >> I can ping6 all ipv6 addys in my range of 3ffe:b00:c18:1fff::XXX - >> e.g. www.6bone.net and www.normos.org. i have tried to ping your address from outside of viagenie/freenet6, however it was not reachable. itojun From synack@research.suspicious.org Tue Feb 13 03:40:47 2001 From: synack@research.suspicious.org (Dan) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:40:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Thanx for the help. Message-ID: Thanks for all of your replies but my situation has been resolved. Im still on the 6bone, but I am no longer affiliated with freenet6. -Dan From KBauer@ait.at Tue Feb 13 15:14:32 2001 From: KBauer@ait.at (Bauer Kurt) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:14:32 +0100 Subject: New 6Bone participant - AIT from Austria Message-ID: Hi 6Bone community, I just wanted to let you know, that our little IPv6-test-environment is now reachable. We are announcing AS15737, Prefix 3ffe:8034:60/48. Feel free to visit http://www.v6.ait.at (well, not much content there, right now ;-)) ) I want to thank the guys at Aconet, Harald Michl and Wilfried Woeber, for letting us using a part of there address-space and setting up a tunnel. BTW a question, does it really take 3 months till I get my own pTLA ?? Isn't there a quicker way ?? I'm quite expirienced with IPv6, as I did a project at Aconet (QTPv6) and wrote my thesis on IPv6. mit besten Grüssen / best regards Dipl.Ing. (FH) Kurt Bauer CVS Chief Engineer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- AIT - EDV Dienstleistungen GmbH, Slamastrasse 29, A-1230 Wien fon: +431-24500-0, fax: +431-24500-1090, KB6695-RIPE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- From fink@es.net Tue Feb 13 18:36:38 2001 From: fink@es.net (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:36:38 -0800 Subject: New 6Bone participant - AIT from Austria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010213103441.01fc6ee0@imap2.es.net> Kurt, At 04:14 PM 2/13/2001 +0100, Bauer Kurt wrote: >Hi 6Bone community, > >I just wanted to let you know, that our little IPv6-test-environment is now >reachable. >We are announcing AS15737, Prefix 3ffe:8034:60/48. >Feel free to visit http://www.v6.ait.at (well, not much content there, right >now ;-)) ) > >I want to thank the guys at Aconet, Harald Michl and Wilfried Woeber, for >letting us >using a part of there address-space and setting up a tunnel. > >BTW a question, does it really take 3 months till I get my own pTLA ?? Isn't >there a quicker way ?? >I'm quite expirienced with IPv6, as I did a project at Aconet (QTPv6) and >wrote my thesis on IPv6. The rules are pretty fixed these days... see: Assuming your experience is ok (but I do have to honor the 3 mos.), the most important requirement then is 3: >3. The pTLA Applicant MUST have a potential "user community" that > would be served by its becoming a pTLA, e.g., the Applicant is a > major provider of Internet service in a region, country, or focus > of interest. Applicant must provide a statement and information in > support this claim. Bob From fink@es.net Wed Feb 14 15:23:22 2001 From: fink@es.net (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:23:22 -0800 Subject: 6bone pTLA 3FFE:8160::/28 allocated to LAVANET Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010214071741.020e7e08@imap2.es.net> LAVANET has been allocated pTLA 3FFE:8160::/28 having finished its 2-week review period with no negative comments. Note that it will take a short while for their inet6num entry to appear in the 6bone registry as they have to create it themselves. However, their registration is listed on: Thanks, Bob From wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca Wed Feb 14 22:55:51 2001 From: wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (William F. Maton) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:55:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports Message-ID: Greetings I read RFC 2732 on denoting IPv6 addresses for URL's, but I have a question for the general case. Is there a standard method for writing down, on a piece of papaer, or a document or some other such thing the format of an IPv6 address and a port number? For example, I want to write down the shorthand for, "IPv6 address 3ffe:456:45e::34, port number 23." Do I write it like the examples in the RFC such that this: http://[FEDC:BA98:7654:3210:FEDC:BA98:7654:3210]:80/index.html http://[1080:0:0:0:8:800:200C:417A]/index.html expresses an IPv6 literal for a URL, while writting this: [3ffe:456:45e::34]:23 would be clear to someone as meaning the telnet port at address 3ffe:456:45e::34? I'm not necessarily talking about how API's would interpret this, but how a human would interpret this on a napkin, for example. In short, what's the general case of RFC 2732? Sorry if this is a FAQ, couldn't find anything concrete while scanning through the archives. TIA, wfms From itojun@iijlab.net Thu Feb 15 00:44:37 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:44:37 +0900 Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: wmaton's message of Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:55:51 EST. Message-ID: <13534.982197877@coconut.itojun.org> >expresses an IPv6 literal for a URL, while writting this: > [3ffe:456:45e::34]:23 >would be clear to someone as meaning the telnet port at address >3ffe:456:45e::34? though there are uses like above in some configuration files for softwares, i personally don't think it too widely accepted. I'd write: 3ffe:456:45e::34 port 23 itojun From kre@munnari.OZ.AU Thu Feb 15 06:20:39 2001 From: kre@munnari.OZ.AU (Robert Elz) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:20:39 +0700 Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:44:37 +0900." <13534.982197877@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <2147.982218039@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:44:37 +0900 From: itojun@iijlab.net Message-ID: <13534.982197877@coconut.itojun.org> | I'd write: | 3ffe:456:45e::34 port 23 Personally I'd write host.domain port 23 Literal (hex/binary) IPv6 addresses should be seen by almost nobody (there should never have been a standard way of putting them in URLs, that is a truly dumb idea). If the recipient of the information (host.domain port 23) really needs to know the (current, temporary) mapping into the IPv6 address (rather than just looking it up when used, as they should) then you can add "and host.domain's IPv6 address this week is: 3ffe:456:45e::34) kre From tony@lava.net Thu Feb 15 12:25:06 2001 From: tony@lava.net (Antonio Querubin) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:25:06 -1000 (HST) Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: <2147.982218039@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Elz wrote: > Literal (hex/binary) IPv6 addresses should be seen by almost > nobody (there should never have been a standard way of putting > them in URLs, that is a truly dumb idea). I suspect there's a fair number of folks working in the tech support field who would disagree with you. Perhaps you don't do spend a significant amount of time troubleshooting combined httpd/DNS problems for customers. On a number of occasions I've had a need to explicitly specify an IP address and/or port in a URL. Ensuring that one can continue to do so in an unambiguous way even with an IPv6 address only helps win acceptance of IPv6 by reducing the annoyance level. While this standardization might seem dumb to you, I think it's important enough to at least some of us. From kre@munnari.OZ.AU Thu Feb 15 13:22:26 2001 From: kre@munnari.OZ.AU (Robert Elz) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:22:26 +0700 Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:25:06 -1000." Message-ID: <2149.982243346@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:25:06 -1000 (HST) From: Antonio Querubin Message-ID: | I suspect there's a fair number of folks working in the tech support field | who would disagree with you. I understand the need - it is the solution I disagree with. This is just "we do it this way for IPv4, so let's also do it this way for IPv6" mentality. The right solution would be for the application name->address lookup routine to be able to look up a locally defined name (like in a file) as well as names in the DNS (essentially all implementations have this functionality anyway). Then, when the DNS isn't working, and you need to reach out to the destination (as part of helping fix the problem with the DNS, which should be the first thing to fix, but also for any other reason), you just add the problem entry to your local file of broken translations, and then use the name, the same way you always would. This works then for any and every application under the sun, without needing to invent a hundred new ways to imbed the IPv6 address literals in places where things like colons were never intended to go. It also prevents this local (if necessary sometimes) hack from ever getting out and polluting the rest of the world - since this temporary name/address translation only works on the system where it has been manually added, there's no way to foist it on unsuspecting others (which allowing an address literal to be embedded inside a URL allows - the thing can then get parked in HTML docs all over the planet, leading to the "we can't possibly renumber" scenario that we have with IPv4). kre From Kurt@OpenLDAP.org Thu Feb 15 15:05:33 2001 From: Kurt@OpenLDAP.org (Kurt D. Zeilenga) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:05:33 -0800 Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: <13534.982197877@coconut.itojun.org> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010215065635.00b0eec0@router.boolean.net> At 09:44 AM 2/15/01 +0900, itojun@iijlab.net wrote: >>expresses an IPv6 literal for a URL, while writting this: >> [3ffe:456:45e::34]:23 >>would be clear to someone as meaning the telnet port at address >>3ffe:456:45e::34? > > though there are uses like above in some configuration files for > softwares, and application protocol APIs. >i personally don't think it too widely accepted. I disagree. Whatever is used in URIs (and APIs derived from URI syntaxes) will likely become widely accepted. > I'd write: > 3ffe:456:45e::34 port 23 I'm sure I've written IPv6 addresses with (or without optional :port) in the form [3ffe:456:45e::34]:23 on napkins... Kurt From rrockell@sprint.net Thu Feb 15 16:58:34 2001 From: rrockell@sprint.net (Robert J. Rockell) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:58:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sprint outage notification Message-ID: Today, Sprint's 6bone router in Northern Virginia (sl-bb1-6bone) crashed, and came up without config. We are presently working to 1. move to this to a better router platform 2. convert config to new platform. Expect outage until around 5:00 EST. Sorry for the inconvenience. The outcome of this should result in faster service to all Sprint customers. Sorry that it takes a lot of unexpected down-time to get to this. Working with relevant vendor(s) to isolate root cause of this crash. Thanks Rob Rockell Sprint Internet Services Principal Engineer SprintLink Europe/Asia 703-689-6322 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From bmanning@ISI.EDU Thu Feb 15 17:49:27 2001 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:49:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: from "Antonio Querubin" at Feb 15, 2001 02:25:06 AM Message-ID: <200102151749.f1FHnRG28741@zed.isi.edu> % % On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Elz wrote: % % > Literal (hex/binary) IPv6 addresses should be seen by almost % > nobody (there should never have been a standard way of putting % > them in URLs, that is a truly dumb idea). % % I suspect there's a fair number of folks working in the tech support field % who would disagree with you. Perhaps you don't do spend a significant % amount of time troubleshooting combined httpd/DNS problems for customers. % On a number of occasions I've had a need to explicitly specify an IP % address and/or port in a URL. Ensuring that one can continue to do so in % an unambiguous way even with an IPv6 address only helps win acceptance of % IPv6 by reducing the annoyance level. While this standardization might % seem dumb to you, I think it's important enough to at least some of us. Actually, I beleive that many folks in the tech support field would agree w/ Robert that "tech support" == "nobody" Robert has been plinking w/ DNS for far too many years to be naive on this subject. I understand the human factors considerations and would to "deity" that we could abandon address literals from the lexicon of the common UI. Under the covers, they have to exist and periodically either agents or people will have to muck w/ them. For the good folks that think IPv6 address literals are "difficult", you may wish to review the next thing over the horizon... BitString lables. Mix Bitstrings with DNAMES to build a composite IPv6 literal and then come back and tell me that this is something you want my mother to use... Double dog dare you. -- --bill From chaos@strange.net Thu Feb 15 18:01:57 2001 From: chaos@strange.net (Andrew Hobgood) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:01:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I suspect there's a fair number of folks working in the tech support field > who would disagree with you. Perhaps you don't do spend a significant > amount of time troubleshooting combined httpd/DNS problems for customers. > On a number of occasions I've had a need to explicitly specify an IP > address and/or port in a URL. Ensuring that one can continue to do so in > an unambiguous way even with an IPv6 address only helps win acceptance of > IPv6 by reducing the annoyance level. While this standardization might > seem dumb to you, I think it's important enough to at least some of us. agreed wholeheartedly... also, as far as the RFC is concerned, it's pretty explicit about formatting... http://[3ffe:.....]:80/file.html just put the IPv6 address in []'s, followed by a :port if you need it. lynx recognizes this just fine, as do most other browsers with ipv6 support. /Andrew From tony@lava.net Thu Feb 15 18:17:01 2001 From: tony@lava.net (Antonio Querubin) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:17:01 -1000 (HST) Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: <2149.982243346@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Elz wrote: > I understand the need - it is the solution I disagree with. This is > just "we do it this way for IPv4, so let's also do it this way for > IPv6" mentality. > > The right solution would be for the application name->address lookup > routine to be able to look up a locally defined name (like in a file) > as well as names in the DNS (essentially all implementations have this > functionality anyway). Uh, how is this 'right' solution any different from the "we do it this way for IPv4, so let's also do it this way for IPv6" mentality? And does it make the task at hand any easier? What if you're on a system where you don't have administrative write access to the hosts table? From ludx@gsut.edu.cn Fri Feb 16 10:07:16 2001 From: ludx@gsut.edu.cn (ÂÀµÂÐñ) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:7:16 +0800 Subject: Who has the experience in configurating the wu-ftpd+IPv6patch. Message-ID: <200102161000.f1GA0Ys10526@tnt.isi.edu> Who has the experience in configurating the wu-ftpd+IPv6patch.Can you give me a configuration example. Thanks. rex.lv ludx@gsut.edu.cn From chris@arnes.si" Hi All; Greetings from Slovenia Europe. I'm wondering if anyone on the list has any experience in connecting to both 6bone and Dante's IPv6 network. I'm interested in the differences between the two services, advantages, disadvantages etc. Any help would be appreciated. Regards Chris From fink@es.net Tue Feb 20 16:51:05 2001 From: fink@es.net (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:51:05 -0800 Subject: 6bone pTLA 3FFE:8170::/28 allocated to EDISONTEL Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010220084838.020d0b88@imap2.es.net> EDISONTEL has been allocated pTLA 3FFE:8170::/28 having finished its 2-week review. Two comments were resolved with the Edisontel folk. Note that it will take a short while for their inet6num entry to appear in the 6bone registry as they have to create it themselves. However, their registration is listed on: Thanks, Bob From woeber@cc.univie.ac.at Thu Feb 22 16:10:39 2001 From: woeber@cc.univie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:10:39 +0100 Subject: Connections to 6bone and Dante's IPv6 network... Message-ID: <009F807A.D7BEFDEE.1@cc.univie.ac.at> Hi Chris, >Greetings from Slovenia Europe. Greetings from Austria *g*. > I'm wondering if anyone on the list has >any experience in connecting to both 6bone and Dante's IPv6 network. I'm >interested in the differences between the two services, advantages, >disadvantages etc. Any help would be appreciated. I'd say that this is not a one (x)or the other. A lot of people, sites and organisations try to build IPv6-protocol based networks or islands. The 6Bone is one name and project (deploying a certain set of address blocks) and a set of guidelines (i.e. routing configuration guidelines) to achieve that goal (those who do know more details about the history of the 6Bone are very welcome to correct me!). On the other hand DANTE is a company that manages a European R&D network (production, IPv4-based) _and_ is involved in some test development activities alongside with some European R&D networks and companies. One of those projects involves IPv6-related activities, in particular with the goal to interconnect as many european R&D networks as possible with IPv6, and doing so with addresses from the sTLA-space. To round it out, we are also looking (trying to look - time permitting) into DNS, routing, mobility, multi-homing, logistics.... In case you are not aware of those activities and the framework to join, please get back to me privately. So, in the end, you (your network) would end up being connected to that part of the Internet that happens to use IPv6 protocols and technology. You/ARNES can certainly do that "on your own" by building a connection to the 6Bone and you would be more than welcome to join in with the TF-NGN IPv6 activities :-) Btw, to bridge the distance beween ARNES and e.g. ACOnet it just takes one hop on the TEN-155 ATM paths, or a couple of them to get access to SWITCH in Geneva or DFN in Frankfurt :-) Cheers, Wilfried. _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber@CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Todd Whipple" Zama Networks is pleased to have just released two technical documents on how to implement IPF on Sun Solaris and implementing IPv4/IPv6 DNS on Solaris. You can check out these two PDF's on our v4/v6 website (www.zamanetworks.com). Hope you all find these to be useful. There are more documents to come in the near future. Todd Whipple VP of IPv6 Technologies Zama Networks, Inc. Seattle, Wa. 206-835-5314 From raju@linux-delhi.org Fri Feb 23 03:16:21 2001 From: raju@linux-delhi.org (Raju Mathur) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:46:21 +0530 (IST) Subject: Individual connections Message-ID: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks and have noticed that most queries seem to come from ISP's and other service providers. Does the 6bone encourage individual connections? I'm an independent consultant in India trying to get up to speed on IPv6 technologies so that I can advise my current and future clients appropriately. I'm connected intermittently to the 'net through dial-up with a dynamic IP address. Are there any ``dial-up friendly'' providers who'd permit me to tunnel to them using a changing IPv4 address on the 6bone? Any special considerations for someone in my position? Regards, -- Raju -- Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ From itojun@iijlab.net Fri Feb 23 05:14:28 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:14:28 +0900 Subject: Individual connections In-Reply-To: raju's message of Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:46:21 +0530. <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9270.982905268@coconut.itojun.org> >Does the 6bone encourage individual connections? I'm an independent >consultant in India trying to get up to speed on IPv6 technologies so >that I can advise my current and future clients appropriately. I'm >connected intermittently to the 'net through dial-up with a dynamic IP >address. Are there any ``dial-up friendly'' providers who'd permit me >to tunnel to them using a changing IPv4 address on the 6bone? Any >special considerations for someone in my position? did you try http://www.freenet6.net/ ? itojun From jhmartin@mail.com Fri Feb 23 06:00:58 2001 From: jhmartin@mail.com (Jason Martin) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:00:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Individual connections In-Reply-To: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.freenet6.net should be able to help you out -- they let you create dynamic tunnels through a website application. You'll probably have to redo the procedure every time you dial up, but it is a start. - -Jason Martin On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Raju Mathur wrote: > Hi, > > I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks and have noticed > that most queries seem to come from ISP's and other service providers. > > Does the 6bone encourage individual connections? I'm an independent > consultant in India trying to get up to speed on IPv6 technologies so > that I can advise my current and future clients appropriately. I'm > connected intermittently to the 'net through dial-up with a dynamic IP > address. Are there any ``dial-up friendly'' providers who'd permit me > to tunnel to them using a changing IPv4 address on the 6bone? Any > special considerations for someone in my position? > > Regards, > > -- Raju > - -- And it's only ones and zeros. PGP KeyID=0xEA954813 available from keyservers. Fingerprint:3B07 518C D76E 572F 7DAA 88A5 9763 835A EA95 4813 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org Filter: gpg4pine 4.1 (http://azzie.robotics.net) iQEMBAERAgDMBQI6lfysnRSAAAAAAAgAjEdlZWtDb2RlIkdDUyBkLSBzKzogYS0t IEMrKyBVTCsrKysgUCsrIEwrKysgRS0tLSBXKysrIE4rKyBvLS0gSy0gdy0tLSBP LSBNLS0gVi0tIFBTKysgUEUgWSsrKyBQR1ArKysgdCsrKyA1KysgWCsgUiB0disg YisgREkrKysrIEQgRy0tIGUrKyBoIHIrKyB5PyIUFIAAAAAACQACU2xpbVNoYWR5 bm8SFIAAAAAABgADTm9va2lleWVzAAoJEJdjg1rqlUgTstgAn1B9xprXF5vWiLFu 2W8CqReNJfYKAKCd3YOnnVFV7mhujAMO0BaFnQpCRg== =S0SM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Alexandru_Petrescu-AAP021@email.mot.com Fri Feb 23 11:24:38 2001 From: Alexandru_Petrescu-AAP021@email.mot.com (Alexandru Petrescu) Date: 23 Feb 2001 12:24:38 +0100 Subject: Individual connections In-Reply-To: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> References: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Raju Mathur writes: > Are there any ``dial-up friendly'' providers who'd permit me to > tunnel to them using a changing IPv4 address on the 6bone? Yes, they maintain "automatic tunnels". freenet6.net is probably the first to put one in place but their allocation lasts 1 day only, if I remember correctly. Uninett (somewhere in Norway) would assign a permanent tunnel for you and you would control it (up and down), but you need a fixed ipv4 address (you can probably manage that with your ISP). There's another in Belgium, named Euronet*Internet at www.ipv6.euronet.be, of which I have no experience. And then you have 6to4 public relay routers. If you can't get a fixed v4 address then this is the way to go. You need a FreeBSD or Linux or Cisco endpoint. Your ipv6 address will change each time you dial-up, so you won't be reachable by others. Alex From joris.dobbelsteen@mail.com Sun Feb 18 17:34:06 2001 From: joris.dobbelsteen@mail.com (Joris Dobbelsteen) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:34:06 +0100 Subject: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports In-Reply-To: <13534.982197877@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <000001c09d9f$8a289450$01ff1fac@Joris2K.local> >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-6bone@ISI.EDU [mailto:owner-6bone@ISI.EDU]On Behalf Of >itojun@iijlab.net >Sent: Thursday, 15 February 2001 1:45 >To: wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca >Cc: 6bone@ISI.EDU >Subject: Re: denoting IPv6 addresses and ports > > > >>expresses an IPv6 literal for a URL, while writting this: >> [3ffe:456:45e::34]:23 >>would be clear to someone as meaning the telnet port at address >>3ffe:456:45e::34? > > though there are uses like above in some configuration files for > softwares, i personally don't think it too widely accepted. > I'd write: > 3ffe:456:45e::34 port 23 > >itojun > The style to send IPv6 addresses was (BNF-like format): IPv6-in-URL = "[" IPv6-Addr "]" [ ":" Port ] IPv6-Addr = ... You know... Port = 1*digit This style was a requirement. As for HTTP-WG where such questions was, it's not allowed to send IPv6 addresses without the "[" "]" surrounding it. Probably a flexible IPv6 Address interpreter can still read these. - Joris From ian@thornlea.net Fri Feb 23 13:28:17 2001 From: ian@thornlea.net (ian@thornlea.net) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:28:17 -0000 Subject: 6bone attachement request (england) Message-ID: <000201c09dae$64bdbb00$40e3883e@thunder> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C09D9C.7B5FAA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sheffield Hallam University is a University in the north of England. = They are looking to join the 6bone project to allow experimentation with = IPv6 services by staff and students. I have already attempted to contact = JANET who would seem the most obvious choice for a tunnel point, but = have not received a reply after several weeks. If there is anyone in = England / connected to JANET who would be willing to provide a tunnel / = small amount of address space please could you contact me off-list. SHU's current IPv4 information is as follows: inetnum: 143.52.0.0 - 143.52.255.255 netname: SCP descr: Sheffield Hallam University country: GB admin-c: JMT19-RIPE tech-c: DH159-RIPE changed: hostmaster@shu.ac.uk 19960313 changed: ripe-dbm@ripe.net 19990706 changed: ripe-dbm@ripe.net 20000225 source: RIPE route: 143.52.0.0/15 descr: JANET descr: c/o ULCC descr: 20 Guilford Street descr: London descr: WC1N 1DZ descr: UNITED KINGDOM origin: AS786 advisory: AS690 1:1800 2:1133 3:1239 4:3561 mnt-by: JIPS-NOSC changed: selina@ans.net 19951011 source: RIPE ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C09D9C.7B5FAA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sheffield Hallam University is a = University in the=20 north of England. They are looking to join the 6bone project to allow=20 experimentation with IPv6 services by staff and students. I have already = attempted to contact JANET who would seem the most obvious choice for a = tunnel=20 point, but have not received a reply after several weeks. If there is = anyone in=20 England / connected to JANET who would be willing to provide a tunnel / = small=20 amount of address space please could you contact me = off-list.

SHU's=20 current IPv4 information is as = follows:

inetnum:    =20 143.52.0.0 - 143.52.255.255
netname:    =20 SCP
descr:       Sheffield Hallam=20 University
country:    =20 GB
admin-c:    =20 JMT19-RIPE
tech-c:     =20 DH159-RIPE
changed:     hostmaster@shu.ac.uk=20 19960313
changed:     ripe-dbm@ripe.net=20 19990706
changed:     ripe-dbm@ripe.net=20 20000225
source:     =20 RIPE


route:      =20 143.52.0.0/15
descr:      =20 JANET
descr:       c/o=20 ULCC
descr:       20 Guilford=20 Street
descr:      =20 London
descr:       WC1N=20 1DZ
descr:       UNITED=20 KINGDOM
origin:     =20 AS786
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C09D9C.7B5FAA60-- From raju@linux-delhi.org Fri Feb 23 17:06:43 2001 From: raju@linux-delhi.org (Raju Mathur) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:36:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: Individual connections In-Reply-To: <9270.982905268@coconut.itojun.org> References: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> <9270.982905268@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <14998.39075.807587.549677@localhost.localdomain> Hi Itojun, Thanks for the link, it works beautifully. I'm still looking for a more ``permanent'' connection to the 6bone, though... will work with freenet6 until I get that. Regards, -- Raju >>>>> "itojun" == itojun writes: >> Does the 6bone encourage individual connections? I'm an >> independent consultant in India trying to get up to speed on >> IPv6 technologies so that I can advise my current and future >> clients appropriately. I'm connected intermittently to the >> 'net through dial-up with a dynamic IP address. Are there any >> ``dial-up friendly'' providers who'd permit me to tunnel to >> them using a changing IPv4 address on the 6bone? Any special >> considerations for someone in my position? itojun> did you try http://www.freenet6.net/ ? itojun> itojun -- Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ From ipv6@mediacentral.com.au Fri Feb 23 18:43:24 2001 From: ipv6@mediacentral.com.au (ipv6@mediacentral.com.au) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:43:24 +1100 Subject: Individual connections In-Reply-To: References: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010224053723.00b5b4c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 12:24 PM 23/02/2001 +0100, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >Raju Mathur writes: > > Are there any ``dial-up friendly'' providers who'd permit me to > > tunnel to them using a changing IPv4 address on the 6bone? > >Yes, they maintain "automatic tunnels". freenet6.net is probably the >first to put one in place but their allocation lasts 1 day only, if I >remember correctly. Unless Freenet6 has changed in the past 2 months, it use to be: they would ping you twice a week, and if both pings failed they would removed the tunnel. Freenet6 is a good place for testing short term, but they often have internal problems, or get abused. > Uninett (somewhere in Norway) would assign a >permanent tunnel for you and you would control it (up and down), but >you need a fixed ipv4 address (you can probably manage that with your >ISP). There's another in Belgium, named Euronet*Internet at >www.ipv6.euronet.be, of which I have no experience. There is a list of the more popular tunnel brokers at http://hs247.com (shamless plug) some are dynamic IPv4, others require perm connection and static IP address. The recommended ranking comes from personal experience, and user comments made about the tunnel broker. If you can manage to get a static IPv4 address out of your ISP, you should be able to use the country by country IPv6 provider list, to find your closest uplink. The fact you use a dialup modem should not worry the provider. After all it is a static tunnel. >And then you have 6to4 public relay routers. If you can't get a fixed >v4 address then this is the way to go. You need a FreeBSD or Linux or >Cisco endpoint. Your ipv6 address will change each time you dial-up, >so you won't be reachable by others. Microsoft run a public 6to4 relay router, which works regardless of OS type. The IPv6 address in this case is made up of your IPv4 address, if you have a static IPv4 address, your 6to4 address will not change. Tom... From itojun@iijlab.net Fri Feb 23 05:14:28 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:14:28 +0900 Subject: Individual connections In-Reply-To: raju's message of Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:46:21 +0530. <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9270.982905268@coconut.itojun.org> >Does the 6bone encourage individual connections? I'm an independent >consultant in India trying to get up to speed on IPv6 technologies so >that I can advise my current and future clients appropriately. I'm >connected intermittently to the 'net through dial-up with a dynamic IP >address. Are there any ``dial-up friendly'' providers who'd permit me >to tunnel to them using a changing IPv4 address on the 6bone? Any >special considerations for someone in my position? did you try http://www.freenet6.net/ ? itojun From Alexandru_Petrescu-AAP021@email.mot.com Fri Feb 23 11:24:38 2001 From: Alexandru_Petrescu-AAP021@email.mot.com (Alexandru Petrescu) Date: 23 Feb 2001 12:24:38 +0100 Subject: Individual connections In-Reply-To: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> References: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Raju Mathur writes: > Are there any ``dial-up friendly'' providers who'd permit me to > tunnel to them using a changing IPv4 address on the 6bone? Yes, they maintain "automatic tunnels". freenet6.net is probably the first to put one in place but their allocation lasts 1 day only, if I remember correctly. Uninett (somewhere in Norway) would assign a permanent tunnel for you and you would control it (up and down), but you need a fixed ipv4 address (you can probably manage that with your ISP). There's another in Belgium, named Euronet*Internet at www.ipv6.euronet.be, of which I have no experience. And then you have 6to4 public relay routers. If you can't get a fixed v4 address then this is the way to go. You need a FreeBSD or Linux or Cisco endpoint. Your ipv6 address will change each time you dial-up, so you won't be reachable by others. Alex From extml@ndsoftware.net Sat Feb 24 21:02:06 2001 From: extml@ndsoftware.net (NDSoftware) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:02:06 +0100 Subject: xBSD and IPv6 Message-ID: Hi, 1/ What's the best BSD for IPv6 ? FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD,... ? It's for a router/firewall. 2/ With a xBSD, can i do that: Internet Connection | |- IPv4 \ \-IPv6 eth0: Internet Connection (Input) eth1: only IPv4 eth2: only IPv6 I want forward from Internet Connection Ipv4 traffic on eth1 and IPv6 traffic on eth2... I thinks yes, because i have a server with IPv4/IPv6 but without traffic forward... If it's possible, have you how-to for this ? 3/ How i can have on RedHat 6.2 with IPv6 support: Apache 1.3.17 + OpenSSL/ModSSL + PHP4 ? I want compile it because i need specify option for php... My Apache must accessible in IPv4 and IPv6... Thanks very much. Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware http://www.ndsoftware.net - ndsoftware@ndsoftware.net France: Tel +33 671887502 - Fax N/A UK: Tel +44 8453348750 - Fax +44 8453348751 USA: Tel N/A - Fax N/A --- Note: All HTML email sent to me can be deleted for security reasons. From feico@pasta.cs.uit.no Sun Feb 25 01:09:20 2001 From: feico@pasta.cs.uit.no (Feico Dillema) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:09:20 +0100 Subject: xBSD and IPv6 In-Reply-To: ; from extml@ndsoftware.net on Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:02:06PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20010225020920.A3640@pasta.cs.uit.no> On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:02:06PM +0100, NDSoftware wrote: > 1/ > What's the best BSD for IPv6 ? > FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD,... ? > It's for a router/firewall. They all use the Kame IPv6 stack (www.kame.net), but NetBSD integrated IPv6 the longest time ago and has therefor a very stable IPv6 stack and has the most userland support for IPv6. If you need stability choose NetBSD-1.5. If you need the latest experimental IPv6 features to play with for research purposes or thelike, get the latest kame snapshot for either NetBSD or FreeBSD. I personally have used both NetBSD and FreeBSD with IPv6, but all our routers now run NetBSD-1.5. It just works, and the support from the NetBSD crowd wrt IPv6 is excellent. > 2/ > With a xBSD, can i do that: > > Internet Connection > | > |- IPv4 > \ > \-IPv6 > > eth0: Internet Connection (Input) > eth1: only IPv4 > eth2: only IPv6 Yeah, sure. No problem. Just assign only IPv4 address to eth1 and only IPv6 address to eth2. > 3/ > How i can have on RedHat 6.2 with IPv6 support: > Apache 1.3.17 + OpenSSL/ModSSL + PHP4 ? > I want compile it because i need specify option for php... > My Apache must accessible in IPv4 and IPv6... I have gotten Redhat to run with IPv6 once. It wasn't fun. I won't do it again for a while. Cannot help you there, but maybe you want to check out the USAGI project (do a search for its URL, or dig in the archives of this list or the ipng list) that aims at improving the IPv6 support for Linux. Feico. From itojun@iijlab.net Sun Feb 25 01:38:05 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:38:05 +0900 Subject: xBSD and IPv6 In-Reply-To: extml's message of Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:02:06 +0100. Message-ID: <3888.983065085@coconut.itojun.org> >Hi, >1/ >What's the best BSD for IPv6 ? >FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD,... ? >It's for a router/firewall. all four (above 3 and BSD/OS) shares the same IPv6 codebase, however, integration status is slightly different from each other. basically you can pick any of them, based on your preference. if you need specific functionality to be available, http://www.kame.net/dev/cvsweb.cgi/kame/COVERAGE http://www.kame.net/dev/cvsweb.cgi/kame/IMPLEMENTATION will give you some idea about which functionality is in which operating system (may be way too detailed...). >2/ >With a xBSD, can i do that: > >Internet Connection >| >|- IPv4 >\ > \-IPv6 > >eth0: Internet Connection (Input) >eth1: only IPv4 >eth2: only IPv6 you can easily do that, just do not assign addresses, and do not configure routes, to interfaces which you do not need IPv4 (or IPv6). if you really really want to make it sure, you can filter the traffic out by packet filters. >3/ >How i can have on RedHat 6.2 with IPv6 support: >Apache 1.3.17 + OpenSSL/ModSSL + PHP4 ? >I want compile it because i need specify option for php... >My Apache must accessible in IPv4 and IPv6... i believe it is not possible, because of conflicting changes between IPv6 patch and ModSSL/PHP4 patch. see: http://www.kame.net/dev/cvsweb.cgi/apache13/README.v6?rev=1.27&cvsroot=apps >>CAVEAT: This patchkit may change some of apache module API, to avoid >>IPv4-dependent structure member variable. Please let us know if there's >>any troubles as we know very little about the apache module API. itojun From Alexandru_Petrescu-AAP021@email.mot.com Mon Feb 26 08:36:48 2001 From: Alexandru_Petrescu-AAP021@email.mot.com (Alexandru Petrescu) Date: 26 Feb 2001 09:36:48 +0100 Subject: Individual connections In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010224053723.00b5b4c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> <14997.54789.282080.286783@localhost.localdomain> <4.3.2.7.2.20010224053723.00b5b4c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: I wrote: > >You need a FreeBSD or Linux or Cisco endpoint. Your ipv6 address > >will change each time you dial-up, so you won't be reachable by > >others. Tom followed-up: > Microsoft run a public 6to4 relay router, which works regardless of OS > type. Sure Tom, protocols are (or are supposed to be) OS-independent. What I meant was that, in my understanding, endpoints must support a specific address selection scheme and I had positive experiences with Linux. I know FreeBSD and Cisco also do it but I've never got involved with Microsoft's Windows stack which could potentially implement the 2002 address selection as well. Thank you for the pointer to the list of automatic tunnels, very useful. Alex From zszhang@krdl.org.sg Mon Feb 26 12:09:55 2001 From: zszhang@krdl.org.sg (zhang zhishou) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:09:55 +0800 Subject: remove Message-ID: <3A9A4792.9BA67100@krdl.org.sg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------378C15F5945A630DF737E6B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How to remove me from the list? --------------378C15F5945A630DF737E6B2 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="zszhang.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for zhang zhishou Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="zszhang.vcf" begin:vcard n:zhang;zhishou tel;fax:65-7768109 tel;work:65-8747584 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Kent Ridge Digital Labs adr:;;21, Heng Mui Keng Terrace,;;;119613;Singapore version:2.1 email;internet:zszhang@krdl.org.sg title:Engineer fn:zhishou zhang end:vcard --------------378C15F5945A630DF737E6B2-- From Niklas@hoglund.pp.se Mon Feb 26 13:04:45 2001 From: Niklas@hoglund.pp.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Niklas_H=F6glund?=) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:04:45 +0100 (CET) Subject: reverse Message-ID: hi! Should these commands work (if the DNS is correct setup)? dig f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.9.2.0.0.0.0.2.0.e.f.f.3.ip6.int ns dig f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.9.2.0.0.0.0.2.0.e.f.f.3.ip6.int ptr //Niklas From psb@ast.cam.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 14:50:25 2001 From: psb@ast.cam.ac.uk (Peter Bunclark) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:50:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: reverse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] Niklas Höglund wrote: > hi! > Should these commands work (if the DNS is correct setup)? > dig f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.9.2.0.0.0.0.2.0.e.f.f.3.ip6.int ns > dig f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.f.0.0.f.9.2.0.0.0.0.2.0.e.f.f.3.ip6.int ptr > > //Niklas > No, but this does: dig ptr 5.9.5.6.0.b.e.f.f.f.0.2.0.0.a.0.0.0.0.0.8.0.0.0.1.0.1.2.e.f.f.3.ip6.int. ; <<>> DiG 9.1.0 <<>> ptr 5.9.5.6.0.b.e.f.f.f.0.2.0.0.a.0.0.0.0.0.8.0.0.0.1.0.1.2.e.f.f.3.ip6.int. ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 47357 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;5.9.5.6.0.b.e.f.f.f.0.2.0.0.a.0.0.0.0.0.8.0.0.0.1.0.1.2.e.f.f.3.ip6.int. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 5.9.5.6.0.b.e.f.f.f.0.2.0.0.a.0.0.0.0.0.8.0.0.0.1.0.1.2.e.f.f.3.ip6.int. 86400 IN PTR cass18.ast.ipv6.cam.ac.uk. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 8.0.0.0.1.0.1.2.e.f.f.3.ip6.int. 86400 IN NS cadsa.ast.ipv6.cam.ac.uk. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: cadsa.ast.ipv6.cam.ac.uk. 86400 IN AAAA 3ffe:2101:8:0:280:d8ff:fe10:51f3 ;; Query time: 28 msec ;; SERVER: 131.111.69.186#53(131.111.69.186) ;; WHEN: Mon Feb 26 14:48:37 2001 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 176 Cheers, Pete. From ipv6@mediacentral.com.au Mon Feb 26 22:05:56 2001 From: ipv6@mediacentral.com.au (ipv6@mediacentral.com.au) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:05:56 +1100 Subject: Individual connections Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010227090555.00b55d98@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 09:36 AM 26/02/2001 +0100, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >I know FreeBSD and Cisco also do it but I've never got >involved with Microsoft's Windows stack which could potentially >implement the 2002 address selection as well. The MS Stack supports 6to4 very well, including 1 command configuration to their public relay router, or the ability to manually configure. http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp covers the 6to4 command if you are interested in looking at how the windows stack works with 6to4. Tom... IPv6 Info/Links http://hs247.com From ipv6@mediacentral.com.au Mon Feb 26 22:05:56 2001 From: ipv6@mediacentral.com.au (ipv6@mediacentral.com.au) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:05:56 +1100 Subject: Individual connections Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010227090555.00b55d98@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 09:36 AM 26/02/2001 +0100, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >I know FreeBSD and Cisco also do it but I've never got >involved with Microsoft's Windows stack which could potentially >implement the 2002 address selection as well. The MS Stack supports 6to4 very well, including 1 command configuration to their public relay router, or the ability to manually configure. http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp covers the 6to4 command if you are interested in looking at how the windows stack works with 6to4. Tom... IPv6 Info/Links http://hs247.com From pekkas@netcore.fi Tue Feb 27 18:29:58 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:29:58 +0200 (EET) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? Message-ID: Hello all, This isn't all about 6bone, but what 6bone will eventually become. Some of these issues have surely crossed some people's minds and it'd be nice to hear of "good practices" how IPv6 can be implemented in the network. --- I've been looking for information on how you should design your IPv6 network topology and concerning issues. There's good information about different technical solutions, but not so much information about suggested approaches/pros/cons etc. Pointers would be appreciated (I think I've gone through most RFCs and drafts at some level). In generic terms, I'm looking for some "best known practices" or other guidelines for how IPv6 should be taken into use in a slightly larger environment, e.g. * What kind of network prefixes should be allocated? When should you use /48 and when /64 (e.g. LAN segment?)? What to do when /64 (or /48) is too little but the next level too much? * Should you allocate some service aliases e.g. xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::1 always to be a router, ::2 DNS etc. -- is this a good approach? * Is routing between 6bone and production addresses in use/reliable yet? Does 6to4 work in practise? Are there 6to4 prefixes being announced to the net at large? (Looking for a setup where IPv6 enabled LAN segments would connect via ipv6 enabled gateways to a central IPv6 router, from which would provide the connectivity) * DNS. How do you manage e.g. reverse records easily. How do you manage changing interface addresses easily. Other issues: 1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point links. Won't this break traceroute? 2) Some seem to use /126, others /64 for point-to-point interfaces or the like. Recommendations? 3) RIRs are allocating /35 prefixes for ISPs and the like. Organisations get a /48 from them. Now, let's take an example about how academic networks in North Europe are built (rough estimate): * a country-wide operator entitled to a /35 * university or the like which would get (some?) /48's * depertment which would get a /48 [?] or multiple /64 * lab or LAN's which might get multiple /64's I read from www.jp.ipv6forum.com that ISP's should allocate /48's to households etc. I fail to see how /35 wouldn't run out very quickly (It _is_ only 8096 addresses) with this practice. Also, as demonstrated from the above, if you have several organisatorial levels, it might be difficult to design a clean network if only elements you can use are /35, /48 and /64. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From itojun@iijlab.net Tue Feb 27 21:16:43 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:16:43 +0900 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: pekkas's message of Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:29:58 +0200. Message-ID: <19272.983308603@coconut.itojun.org> > * Is routing between 6bone and production addresses in use/reliable yet? >Does 6to4 work in practise? Are there 6to4 prefixes being announced to >the net at large? (Looking for a setup where IPv6 enabled LAN segments >would connect via ipv6 enabled gateways to a central IPv6 router, from >which would provide the connectivity) to stabilize, try to remove tunnels and move to IPv6 over leased line (or IPv4/v6 dual stack connectivity over leased line). it works for me. >1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point >links. Won't this break traceroute? you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run fine with p2p with link-local address only. >3) RIRs are allocating /35 prefixes for ISPs and the like. Organisations >get a /48 from them. >Now, let's take an example about how academic networks in North Europe are >built (rough estimate): > * a country-wide operator entitled to a /35 > * university or the like which would get (some?) /48's > * depertment which would get a /48 [?] or multiple /64 > * lab or LAN's which might get multiple /64's > >I read from www.jp.ipv6forum.com that ISP's should allocate /48's to >households etc. I fail to see how /35 wouldn't run out very quickly (It >_is_ only 8096 addresses) with this practice. Also, as demonstrated from >the above, if you have several organisatorial levels, it might be >difficult to design a clean network if only elements you can use are /35, >/48 and /64. if /35 runs out, country-wide operator can ask for more to RIR. /35 was assigned from RIR to facilitate slow-start. country-wide operator should be able to grow into /29 sub TLA without renumber, then become a proper TLA (/16) - this is what I understand at this moment. if you use something other than /48, you will make renumber harder for customers (universities). itojun From itojun@iijlab.net Tue Feb 27 22:56:23 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:56:23 +0900 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: tjc's message of Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:40:21 GMT. Message-ID: <20781.983314583@coconut.itojun.org> >> if /35 runs out, country-wide operator can ask for more to RIR. >> /35 was assigned from RIR to facilitate slow-start. country-wide >> operator should be able to grow into /29 sub TLA without renumber, >> then become a proper TLA (/16) - this is what I understand at this >> moment. >> >> if you use something other than /48, you will make renumber harder >> for customers (universities). >Trouble is, a /48 is not enough for a typical University... does your university have 64k subnets, or do you plan to provide dialup services to student households? anyway, if /48 is really not enough, the university should get another /48... itojun From pekkas@netcore.fi Tue Feb 27 23:24:53 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:24:53 +0200 (EET) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: <20781.983314583@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 itojun@iijlab.net wrote: > > >> if /35 runs out, country-wide operator can ask for more to RIR. > >> /35 was assigned from RIR to facilitate slow-start. country-wide > >> operator should be able to grow into /29 sub TLA without renumber, > >> then become a proper TLA (/16) - this is what I understand at this > >> moment. > >> > >> if you use something other than /48, you will make renumber harder > >> for customers (universities). > >Trouble is, a /48 is not enough for a typical University... > > does your university have 64k subnets, or do you plan to provide > dialup services to student households? Well, a lot of organizations might want to provide *DSL, WLAN, etc. connectivity for employees, students etc. If /48 were to given to each.. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From itojun@iijlab.net Tue Feb 27 23:28:34 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:28:34 +0900 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: pekkas's message of Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:24:53 +0200. Message-ID: <21146.983316514@coconut.itojun.org> >> does your university have 64k subnets, or do you plan to provide >> dialup services to student households? >Well, a lot of organizations might want to provide *DSL, WLAN, etc. >connectivity for employees, students etc. If /48 were to given to each.. if the above connectivity (to home) is considered as a part of university, you may want to provide /64 or something, just like you would provide /64 or something to laboratories in your university. if the above connectivity (to home) is considreed as not a part of university, the university itself has a function of ISP. you may want to: - get a /48 for the university itself, and - larger address block for university-as-ISP and suballocate /48 to student households. itojun From pekkas@netcore.fi Tue Feb 27 23:36:25 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:36:25 +0200 (EET) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: <19272.983308603@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 itojun@iijlab.net wrote: > > * Is routing between 6bone and production addresses in use/reliable yet? > >Does 6to4 work in practise? Are there 6to4 prefixes being announced to > >the net at large? (Looking for a setup where IPv6 enabled LAN segments > >would connect via ipv6 enabled gateways to a central IPv6 router, from > >which would provide the connectivity) > > to stabilize, try to remove tunnels and move to IPv6 over leased > line (or IPv4/v6 dual stack connectivity over leased line). it works > for me. Tunnels between client boxes (the first hop) has some problems, but I can't see too many with tunneling over IPv4 between the sites, rather than having to build these with ATM PVC's or the like (for the ease, and not having to stick to ATM technology). Or are there some problems with this approach? > >1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point > >links. Won't this break traceroute? > > you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just > work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run > fine with p2p with link-local address only. Routing protocols, yes. But if you want to bind e.g. EBGP to the interface address rather than loopback, this might be a problem. Also, why _would_ traceroute work? If the link local address of a P-t-P link were to use private addresses, you couldn't trace through the internet. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From itojun@iijlab.net Tue Feb 27 23:42:12 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:42:12 +0900 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: pekkas's message of Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:36:25 +0200. Message-ID: <21348.983317332@coconut.itojun.org> >> to stabilize, try to remove tunnels and move to IPv6 over leased >> line (or IPv4/v6 dual stack connectivity over leased line). it works >> for me. >Tunnels between client boxes (the first hop) has some problems, but I >can't see too many with tunneling over IPv4 between the sites, rather than >having to build these with ATM PVC's or the like (for the ease, and not >having to stick to ATM technology). >Or are there some problems with this approach? from my experience: if the tunnel (IPv4) path goes over multiple administrative domains (like multiple ASes) I see unstabilized tunnel connectivity due to IPv4 unstability. In my opinion, tunnels has to be very very short (I mean, less IPv4 hops), or has to be replaced by native IPv6 connectivity (with additional leased line or whatever). >> you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just >> work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run >> fine with p2p with link-local address only. >Routing protocols, yes. But if you want to bind e.g. EBGP to the >interface address rather than loopback, this might be a problem. I don't really agree with the above, I have not experienced problems with my approach. There are OS/router implementations that cannot establish BGP TCP connection (port 179) over link-local addresses, but it is implementation problem in specific implementations. >Also, why _would_ traceroute work? If the link local address of a P-t-P >link were to use private addresses, you couldn't trace through the >internet. if intermediate routers employ weak host model, traceroute will work just fine even if you use link-local address to p2p interfaces. if intermediate routers employ strong host model, traceroute will work only if they have global IPv6 address onto every interfaces. i think you have strong host model in your mindset... itojun From itojun@iijlab.net Wed Feb 28 03:05:09 2001 From: itojun@iijlab.net (itojun@iijlab.net) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:05:09 +0900 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: tjc's message of Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:58:26 GMT. Message-ID: <23986.983329509@coconut.itojun.org> >> if the above connectivity (to home) is considreed as not a part of >> university, the university itself has a function of ISP. you may want >> to: >> - get a /48 for the university itself, and >> - larger address block for university-as-ISP and suballocate /48 to >> student households. > >The squeeze comes if someone decides to allocate static IPv6 network >prefixes to the households or hall rooms (in the UK, most Uni hall rooms >are wired for telephony not data). Or is this practice strongly >discouraged? not sure, I'm guessing too. itojun From Hareesh V H Wed Feb 28 05:20:18 2001 From: Hareesh V H (Hareesh V H) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:50:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi! the discussion about the network designing in IPv6 is a very relevant one. Actually i am trying to produce a document in this regard. One point i find interesting is the ambiguity in the specification/implementation of site local addresses. The implementations as of now or even the specs do not give a very clear idea about it. Could anyone please provide more info/links about this issue as to how exactly this feature is to be used? Thanks in advance. regards, Hareesh. From horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar Wed Feb 28 05:33:06 2001 From: horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar (horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:33:06 -0300 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 01:36:25AM +0200 References: <19272.983308603@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <20010228023305.A648@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar> ¡Hola! > > >1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point > > >links. Won't this break traceroute? > > > > you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just > > work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run > > fine with p2p with link-local address only. > > Also, why _would_ traceroute work? If the link local address of a P-t-P > link were to use private addresses, you couldn't trace through the > internet. I was thinking the same thing and did some tests. If the routers have only link-local addresses traceroute breaks, but if they have any global address (in other interface) it uses that address. Further investigation has led me to the following: RFC2463 (ICMPv6) says: (c) If the message is a response to a message sent to an address that does not belong to the node, the Source Address should be that unicast address belonging to the node that will be most helpful in diagnosing the error. For example, if the message is a response to a packet forwarding action that cannot complete successfully, the Source Address should be a unicast address belonging to the interface on which the packet forwarding failed. Being that that interface has not a helpful address, it avoids the "should be a unicast address belonging to the interface..." and uses "a unicast address belonging to the gateway". (Spelling OT: is correct "a unicast" or should it be "an unicast" ?) RFC1812 (Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers) talks in section 2.2.7 about "Unnumbered Lines and Networks Prefixes" and decides: Because of these drawbacks, this memo has adopted an alternate scheme, which has been invented multiple times but which is probably originally attributable to Phil Karn. In this scheme, a router that has unnumbered point to point lines also has a special IP address, called a router-id in this memo. The router-id is one of the router's IP addresses (a router is required to have at least one IP address). This router-id is used as if it is the IP address of all unnumbered interfaces. Adapting it to IPv6 you'd talk about p2p using link-local addresses, and requiring any router to have at least one global IP address. > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords HoraPe --- Horacio J. Peña horape@compendium.com.ar horape@uninet.edu bofh@puntoar.net.ar horape@hcdn.gov.ar From horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar Wed Feb 28 05:33:06 2001 From: horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar (horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:33:06 -0300 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 01:36:25AM +0200 References: <19272.983308603@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <20010228023305.A648@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar> ¡Hola! > > >1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point > > >links. Won't this break traceroute? > > > > you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just > > work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run > > fine with p2p with link-local address only. > > Also, why _would_ traceroute work? If the link local address of a P-t-P > link were to use private addresses, you couldn't trace through the > internet. I was thinking the same thing and did some tests. If the routers have only link-local addresses traceroute breaks, but if they have any global address (in other interface) it uses that address. Further investigation has led me to the following: RFC2463 (ICMPv6) says: (c) If the message is a response to a message sent to an address that does not belong to the node, the Source Address should be that unicast address belonging to the node that will be most helpful in diagnosing the error. For example, if the message is a response to a packet forwarding action that cannot complete successfully, the Source Address should be a unicast address belonging to the interface on which the packet forwarding failed. Being that that interface has not a helpful address, it avoids the "should be a unicast address belonging to the interface..." and uses "a unicast address belonging to the gateway". (Spelling OT: is correct "a unicast" or should it be "an unicast" ?) RFC1812 (Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers) talks in section 2.2.7 about "Unnumbered Lines and Networks Prefixes" and decides: Because of these drawbacks, this memo has adopted an alternate scheme, which has been invented multiple times but which is probably originally attributable to Phil Karn. In this scheme, a router that has unnumbered point to point lines also has a special IP address, called a router-id in this memo. The router-id is one of the router's IP addresses (a router is required to have at least one IP address). This router-id is used as if it is the IP address of all unnumbered interfaces. Adapting it to IPv6 you'd talk about p2p using link-local addresses, and requiring any router to have at least one global IP address. > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords HoraPe --- Horacio J. Peña horape@compendium.com.ar horape@uninet.edu bofh@puntoar.net.ar horape@hcdn.gov.ar From Hareesh V H Wed Feb 28 05:20:18 2001 From: Hareesh V H (Hareesh V H) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:50:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi! the discussion about the network designing in IPv6 is a very relevant one. Actually i am trying to produce a document in this regard. One point i find interesting is the ambiguity in the specification/implementation of site local addresses. The implementations as of now or even the specs do not give a very clear idea about it. Could anyone please provide more info/links about this issue as to how exactly this feature is to be used? Thanks in advance. regards, Hareesh. From Hareesh V H Wed Feb 28 05:20:18 2001 From: Hareesh V H (Hareesh V H) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:50:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi! the discussion about the network designing in IPv6 is a very relevant one. Actually i am trying to produce a document in this regard. One point i find interesting is the ambiguity in the specification/implementation of site local addresses. The implementations as of now or even the specs do not give a very clear idea about it. Could anyone please provide more info/links about this issue as to how exactly this feature is to be used? Thanks in advance. regards, Hareesh. From horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar Wed Feb 28 05:33:06 2001 From: horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar (horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:33:06 -0300 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 01:36:25AM +0200 References: <19272.983308603@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <20010228023305.A648@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar> ¡Hola! > > >1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point > > >links. Won't this break traceroute? > > > > you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just > > work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run > > fine with p2p with link-local address only. > > Also, why _would_ traceroute work? If the link local address of a P-t-P > link were to use private addresses, you couldn't trace through the > internet. I was thinking the same thing and did some tests. If the routers have only link-local addresses traceroute breaks, but if they have any global address (in other interface) it uses that address. Further investigation has led me to the following: RFC2463 (ICMPv6) says: (c) If the message is a response to a message sent to an address that does not belong to the node, the Source Address should be that unicast address belonging to the node that will be most helpful in diagnosing the error. For example, if the message is a response to a packet forwarding action that cannot complete successfully, the Source Address should be a unicast address belonging to the interface on which the packet forwarding failed. Being that that interface has not a helpful address, it avoids the "should be a unicast address belonging to the interface..." and uses "a unicast address belonging to the gateway". (Spelling OT: is correct "a unicast" or should it be "an unicast" ?) RFC1812 (Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers) talks in section 2.2.7 about "Unnumbered Lines and Networks Prefixes" and decides: Because of these drawbacks, this memo has adopted an alternate scheme, which has been invented multiple times but which is probably originally attributable to Phil Karn. In this scheme, a router that has unnumbered point to point lines also has a special IP address, called a router-id in this memo. The router-id is one of the router's IP addresses (a router is required to have at least one IP address). This router-id is used as if it is the IP address of all unnumbered interfaces. Adapting it to IPv6 you'd talk about p2p using link-local addresses, and requiring any router to have at least one global IP address. > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords HoraPe --- Horacio J. Peña horape@compendium.com.ar horape@uninet.edu bofh@puntoar.net.ar horape@hcdn.gov.ar From Hareesh V H Wed Feb 28 05:20:18 2001 From: Hareesh V H (Hareesh V H) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:50:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi! the discussion about the network designing in IPv6 is a very relevant one. Actually i am trying to produce a document in this regard. One point i find interesting is the ambiguity in the specification/implementation of site local addresses. The implementations as of now or even the specs do not give a very clear idea about it. Could anyone please provide more info/links about this issue as to how exactly this feature is to be used? Thanks in advance. regards, Hareesh. From Hareesh V H Wed Feb 28 05:20:18 2001 From: Hareesh V H (Hareesh V H) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:50:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi! the discussion about the network designing in IPv6 is a very relevant one. Actually i am trying to produce a document in this regard. One point i find interesting is the ambiguity in the specification/implementation of site local addresses. The implementations as of now or even the specs do not give a very clear idea about it. Could anyone please provide more info/links about this issue as to how exactly this feature is to be used? Thanks in advance. regards, Hareesh. From Hareesh V H Wed Feb 28 05:20:18 2001 From: Hareesh V H (Hareesh V H) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:50:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi! the discussion about the network designing in IPv6 is a very relevant one. Actually i am trying to produce a document in this regard. One point i find interesting is the ambiguity in the specification/implementation of site local addresses. The implementations as of now or even the specs do not give a very clear idea about it. Could anyone please provide more info/links about this issue as to how exactly this feature is to be used? Thanks in advance. regards, Hareesh. From horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar Wed Feb 28 05:33:06 2001 From: horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar (horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:33:06 -0300 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 01:36:25AM +0200 References: <19272.983308603@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <20010228023305.A648@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar> ¡Hola! > > >1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point > > >links. Won't this break traceroute? > > > > you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just > > work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run > > fine with p2p with link-local address only. > > Also, why _would_ traceroute work? If the link local address of a P-t-P > link were to use private addresses, you couldn't trace through the > internet. I was thinking the same thing and did some tests. If the routers have only link-local addresses traceroute breaks, but if they have any global address (in other interface) it uses that address. Further investigation has led me to the following: RFC2463 (ICMPv6) says: (c) If the message is a response to a message sent to an address that does not belong to the node, the Source Address should be that unicast address belonging to the node that will be most helpful in diagnosing the error. For example, if the message is a response to a packet forwarding action that cannot complete successfully, the Source Address should be a unicast address belonging to the interface on which the packet forwarding failed. Being that that interface has not a helpful address, it avoids the "should be a unicast address belonging to the interface..." and uses "a unicast address belonging to the gateway". (Spelling OT: is correct "a unicast" or should it be "an unicast" ?) RFC1812 (Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers) talks in section 2.2.7 about "Unnumbered Lines and Networks Prefixes" and decides: Because of these drawbacks, this memo has adopted an alternate scheme, which has been invented multiple times but which is probably originally attributable to Phil Karn. In this scheme, a router that has unnumbered point to point lines also has a special IP address, called a router-id in this memo. The router-id is one of the router's IP addresses (a router is required to have at least one IP address). This router-id is used as if it is the IP address of all unnumbered interfaces. Adapting it to IPv6 you'd talk about p2p using link-local addresses, and requiring any router to have at least one global IP address. > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords HoraPe --- Horacio J. Peña horape@compendium.com.ar horape@uninet.edu bofh@puntoar.net.ar horape@hcdn.gov.ar From horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar Wed Feb 28 05:33:06 2001 From: horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar (horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:33:06 -0300 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 01:36:25AM +0200 References: <19272.983308603@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <20010228023305.A648@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar> ¡Hola! > > >1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point > > >links. Won't this break traceroute? > > > > you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just > > work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run > > fine with p2p with link-local address only. > > Also, why _would_ traceroute work? If the link local address of a P-t-P > link were to use private addresses, you couldn't trace through the > internet. I was thinking the same thing and did some tests. If the routers have only link-local addresses traceroute breaks, but if they have any global address (in other interface) it uses that address. Further investigation has led me to the following: RFC2463 (ICMPv6) says: (c) If the message is a response to a message sent to an address that does not belong to the node, the Source Address should be that unicast address belonging to the node that will be most helpful in diagnosing the error. For example, if the message is a response to a packet forwarding action that cannot complete successfully, the Source Address should be a unicast address belonging to the interface on which the packet forwarding failed. Being that that interface has not a helpful address, it avoids the "should be a unicast address belonging to the interface..." and uses "a unicast address belonging to the gateway". (Spelling OT: is correct "a unicast" or should it be "an unicast" ?) RFC1812 (Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers) talks in section 2.2.7 about "Unnumbered Lines and Networks Prefixes" and decides: Because of these drawbacks, this memo has adopted an alternate scheme, which has been invented multiple times but which is probably originally attributable to Phil Karn. In this scheme, a router that has unnumbered point to point lines also has a special IP address, called a router-id in this memo. The router-id is one of the router's IP addresses (a router is required to have at least one IP address). This router-id is used as if it is the IP address of all unnumbered interfaces. Adapting it to IPv6 you'd talk about p2p using link-local addresses, and requiring any router to have at least one global IP address. > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords HoraPe --- Horacio J. Peña horape@compendium.com.ar horape@uninet.edu bofh@puntoar.net.ar horape@hcdn.gov.ar From horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar Wed Feb 28 05:33:06 2001 From: horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar (horape@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:33:06 -0300 Subject: Designing IPv6 network guidelines? In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 01:36:25AM +0200 References: <19272.983308603@coconut.itojun.org> Message-ID: <20010228023305.A648@tinuviel.compendium.net.ar> ¡Hola! > > >1) Some RFC recommended using site-local addresses for point to point > > >links. Won't this break traceroute? > > > > you don't even need site-locals for point to point links. they just > > work fine with link-local address. all routing protocols should run > > fine with p2p with link-local address only. > > Also, why _would_ traceroute work? If the link local address of a P-t-P > link were to use private addresses, you couldn't trace through the > internet. I was thinking the same thing and did some tests. If the routers have only link-local addresses traceroute breaks, but if they have any global address (in other interface) it uses that address. Further investigation has led me to the following: RFC2463 (ICMPv6) says: (c) If the message is a response to a message sent to an address that does not belong to the node, the Source Address should be that unicast address belonging to the node that will be most helpful in diagnosing the error. For example, if the message is a response to a packet forwarding action that cannot complete successfully, the Source Address should be a unicast address belonging to the interface on which the packet forwarding failed. Being that that interface has not a helpful address, it avoids the "should be a unicast address belonging to the interface..." and uses "a unicast address belonging to the gateway". (Spelling OT: is correct "a unicast" or should it be "an unicast" ?) RFC1812 (Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers) talks in section 2.2.7 about "Unnumbered Lines and Networks Prefixes" and decides: Because of these drawbacks, this memo has adopted an alternate scheme, which has been invented multiple times but which is probably originally attributable to Phil Karn. In this scheme, a router that has unnumbered point to point lines also has a special IP address, called a router-id in this memo. The router-id is one of the router's IP addresses (a router is required to have at least one IP address). This router-id is used as if it is the IP address of all unnumbered interfaces. Adapting it to IPv6 you'd talk about p2p using link-local addresses, and requiring any router to have at least one global IP address. > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords HoraPe --- Horacio J. Peña horape@compendium.com.ar horape@uninet.edu bofh@puntoar.net.ar horape@hcdn.gov.ar