From jcomeau@world.std.com Fri Aug 3 12:02:17 2001 From: jcomeau@world.std.com (John O Comeau) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 07:02:17 -0400 Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme Message-ID: Since I haven't made a complete fool of myself on the net for a few months now, it's time to throw caution to the winds and toss out an idea I got yesterday morning in that semiawake state when lots of ideas of dubious quality enter the impressionable mind. This one seemed like a winner. Use street addresses as internet addresses. It's inherently routeable, and extremely easy to implement, but frivolously wasteful of address space. Here's an example. Let's say a TLA is assigned for this in the spirit of 6to4; 2666. My address is 5555 Bogus St, Somecity, FL, US. Compressing out the spaces and punctuation to reduce the inefficiency, and assigning a planet code TA (Terra) to make this scheme last a few years, we get: 5555BOGUSSTSOMECITYFLUSTA. Now inverting the byte order, and prepending the TLA, we get &fATSULFYTICEMOSTSSUGOB5555 which is 27 bytes long, still way too big. Even using RAD50 (remember that, anybody?) we could only get it down to 19 bytes. But, due to the hierarchical nature of this scheme, an entity such as FL (the state Florida) could help by providing two- or three-letter abbreviations for each city. And if necessary, each city could provide numbers for every named street. Numbers can then be packed into 16-bit unsigned small integers. Now my address is 5555 3333 St, SC, FL, US. Packed, that becomes &fATSULFCSTS33UU, 16 bytes. Now I have my unique internet address. Contrived? Of course. Possible to implement? I think so. Each level of the hierarchy could provide the scheme for compressing the next lower level's data. This could all be made available publicly in a way such that my Aunt in Bingham, Maine only needs to find out my street address and type it into a browser, and the browser can fetch the compression rules from each level of the hierarchy and generate the address, and she can then see my webpage. An address in China would begin &fATNC and the remaining 10 bytes could be Unicode (big5 would't go too far, would it?). I doubt if 5 characters would work either, but then again, that country, or city, or city block, could establish its own method of ensuring that every address can fit into the 16 bytes of an IPv6 address. Of course, the planet and country codes can be squished into a byte each, also. This is probably not precisely the best venue for this discussion, but there are a lot of intelligent people on this list with the necessary diversity of viewpoints to give this a thorough beating. And if it meets dead silence, I'll know it was a complete waste of time typing this in. Thanks in advance - jc jcomeau@world.std.com aka John Otis Lene Comeau Home page: http://world.std.com/~jcomeau/ Disclaimer: Don't risk anything of value based on free advice. "Anybody can do the difficult stuff. Call me when it's impossible." From rrockell@sprint.net Fri Aug 3 13:30:10 2001 From: rrockell@sprint.net (Robert J. Rockell) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As if the Privacy people weren't paranoid enough already :) The MAN will surely know what they are up to then... Thanks Rob Rockell Principal Engineer SprintLink Europe/Asia 703-689-6322 Sprint E|Solutions: Thinking outside the 435 box ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, John O Comeau wrote: ->Since I haven't made a complete fool of myself on the net for a few months ->now, it's time to throw caution to the winds and toss out an idea I got ->yesterday morning in that semiawake state when lots of ideas of dubious ->quality enter the impressionable mind. This one seemed like a winner. -> ->Use street addresses as internet addresses. It's inherently routeable, and ->extremely easy to implement, but frivolously wasteful of address ->space. Here's an example. Let's say a TLA is assigned for this in the ->spirit of 6to4; 2666. My address is 5555 Bogus St, Somecity, FL, ->US. Compressing out the spaces and punctuation to reduce the ->inefficiency, and assigning a planet code TA (Terra) to make this scheme ->last a few years, we get: 5555BOGUSSTSOMECITYFLUSTA. Now inverting the ->byte order, and prepending the TLA, we get &fATSULFYTICEMOSTSSUGOB5555 ->which is 27 bytes long, still way too big. Even using RAD50 (remember ->that, anybody?) we could only get it down to 19 bytes. But, due to the ->hierarchical nature of this scheme, an entity such as FL (the state ->Florida) could help by providing two- or three-letter abbreviations for ->each city. And if necessary, each city could provide numbers for every ->named street. Numbers can then be packed into 16-bit unsigned small ->integers. Now my address is 5555 3333 St, SC, FL, US. Packed, that becomes ->&fATSULFCSTS33UU, 16 bytes. Now I have my unique internet address. -> ->Contrived? Of course. Possible to implement? I think so. Each level of the ->hierarchy could provide the scheme for compressing the next lower level's ->data. This could all be made available publicly in a way such that my Aunt ->in Bingham, Maine only needs to find out my street address and type it ->into a browser, and the browser can fetch the compression rules from each ->level of the hierarchy and generate the address, and she can then see my ->webpage. -> ->An address in China would begin &fATNC and the remaining 10 bytes could be ->Unicode (big5 would't go too far, would it?). I doubt if 5 characters ->would work either, but then again, that country, or city, or city block, ->could establish its own method of ensuring that every address can fit into ->the 16 bytes of an IPv6 address. Of course, the planet and country codes ->can be squished into a byte each, also. -> ->This is probably not precisely the best venue for this discussion, but ->there are a lot of intelligent people on this list with the necessary ->diversity of viewpoints to give this a thorough beating. And if it meets ->dead silence, I'll know it was a complete waste of time typing this in. -> ->Thanks in advance - jc -> ->jcomeau@world.std.com aka John Otis Lene Comeau ->Home page: http://world.std.com/~jcomeau/ ->Disclaimer: Don't risk anything of value based on free advice. ->"Anybody can do the difficult stuff. Call me when it's impossible." -> From Brian Haberman" Message-ID: <3B6AE2B6.75BA10EE@americasm06.nt.com> Not to mention that I have an IPv6 NETWORK in my house. Do I have to have a IPv6-NAT for that? Regards, Brian Haberman "Robert J. Rockell" wrote: > > As if the Privacy people weren't paranoid enough already :) The MAN will > surely know what they are up to then... > > Thanks > Rob Rockell > Principal Engineer > SprintLink Europe/Asia > 703-689-6322 > Sprint E|Solutions: Thinking outside the 435 box > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, John O Comeau wrote: > > ->Since I haven't made a complete fool of myself on the net for a few months > ->now, it's time to throw caution to the winds and toss out an idea I got > ->yesterday morning in that semiawake state when lots of ideas of dubious > ->quality enter the impressionable mind. This one seemed like a winner. > -> > ->Use street addresses as internet addresses. It's inherently routeable, and > ->extremely easy to implement, but frivolously wasteful of address > ->space. Here's an example. Let's say a TLA is assigned for this in the > ->spirit of 6to4; 2666. My address is 5555 Bogus St, Somecity, FL, > ->US. Compressing out the spaces and punctuation to reduce the > ->inefficiency, and assigning a planet code TA (Terra) to make this scheme > ->last a few years, we get: 5555BOGUSSTSOMECITYFLUSTA. Now inverting the > ->byte order, and prepending the TLA, we get &fATSULFYTICEMOSTSSUGOB5555 > ->which is 27 bytes long, still way too big. Even using RAD50 (remember > ->that, anybody?) we could only get it down to 19 bytes. But, due to the > ->hierarchical nature of this scheme, an entity such as FL (the state > ->Florida) could help by providing two- or three-letter abbreviations for > ->each city. And if necessary, each city could provide numbers for every > ->named street. Numbers can then be packed into 16-bit unsigned small > ->integers. Now my address is 5555 3333 St, SC, FL, US. Packed, that becomes > ->&fATSULFCSTS33UU, 16 bytes. Now I have my unique internet address. > -> > ->Contrived? Of course. Possible to implement? I think so. Each level of the > ->hierarchy could provide the scheme for compressing the next lower level's > ->data. This could all be made available publicly in a way such that my Aunt > ->in Bingham, Maine only needs to find out my street address and type it > ->into a browser, and the browser can fetch the compression rules from each > ->level of the hierarchy and generate the address, and she can then see my > ->webpage. > -> > ->An address in China would begin &fATNC and the remaining 10 bytes could be > ->Unicode (big5 would't go too far, would it?). I doubt if 5 characters > ->would work either, but then again, that country, or city, or city block, > ->could establish its own method of ensuring that every address can fit into > ->the 16 bytes of an IPv6 address. Of course, the planet and country codes > ->can be squished into a byte each, also. > -> > ->This is probably not precisely the best venue for this discussion, but > ->there are a lot of intelligent people on this list with the necessary > ->diversity of viewpoints to give this a thorough beating. And if it meets > ->dead silence, I'll know it was a complete waste of time typing this in. > -> > ->Thanks in advance - jc > -> > ->jcomeau@world.std.com aka John Otis Lene Comeau > ->Home page: http://world.std.com/~jcomeau/ > ->Disclaimer: Don't risk anything of value based on free advice. > ->"Anybody can do the difficult stuff. Call me when it's impossible." > -> From TDeval@PrimeOBJ.COM Fri Aug 3 21:53:56 2001 From: TDeval@PrimeOBJ.COM (Thierry Deval) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:53:56 +0200 Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200108032055.f73Kt0m14460@tnt.isi.edu> On Friday, August 3, 2001, at 01:02 , John O Comeau wrote: > ... > ... > named street. Numbers can then be packed into 16-bit unsigned small > integers. Now my address is 5555 3333 St, SC, FL, US. Packed, that > becomes > &fATSULFCSTS33UU, 16 bytes. Now I have my unique internet address. ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You forgot to think about the possibility of having more than 1 computer per street address. What about those 1/4th mile tall skyscrapers, without counting all the wall switches aso... IPv6 has chosen to keep the last 64bits as a private address part... Can you shrink all the above in only 8 bytes ? > ... > ... T. From tkeats@rainbowcomputersystems.com Fri Aug 3 21:28:04 2001 From: tkeats@rainbowcomputersystems.com (Thomas Keats) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heh, Really, the idea I think would have promise, would be a conspirist's nightmare ;) Thomas ------------------------------------------------- -- From the Desk Of ------------- Thomas Keats -- --------------- RainbowComputers.ca ------------- ----------- RainbowComputerSystems.com ---------- ------------------------------------------------- ---- AMD -- Intel -- Pandex -- DFI -- ASUS ------ ---- MSI -- Creative Labs -- Maxtor -- GVC ------ -- Red Hat -- Slackware -- Debian -- Microsoft -- ------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Robert J. Rockell wrote: > As if the Privacy people weren't paranoid enough already :) The MAN will > surely know what they are up to then... > > Thanks > Rob Rockell > Principal Engineer > SprintLink Europe/Asia > 703-689-6322 > Sprint E|Solutions: Thinking outside the 435 box > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, John O Comeau wrote: > > ->Since I haven't made a complete fool of myself on the net for a few months > ->now, it's time to throw caution to the winds and toss out an idea I got > ->yesterday morning in that semiawake state when lots of ideas of dubious > ->quality enter the impressionable mind. This one seemed like a winner. > -> > ->Use street addresses as internet addresses. It's inherently routeable, and > ->extremely easy to implement, but frivolously wasteful of address > ->space. Here's an example. Let's say a TLA is assigned for this in the > ->spirit of 6to4; 2666. My address is 5555 Bogus St, Somecity, FL, > ->US. Compressing out the spaces and punctuation to reduce the > ->inefficiency, and assigning a planet code TA (Terra) to make this scheme > ->last a few years, we get: 5555BOGUSSTSOMECITYFLUSTA. Now inverting the > ->byte order, and prepending the TLA, we get &fATSULFYTICEMOSTSSUGOB5555 > ->which is 27 bytes long, still way too big. Even using RAD50 (remember > ->that, anybody?) we could only get it down to 19 bytes. But, due to the > ->hierarchical nature of this scheme, an entity such as FL (the state > ->Florida) could help by providing two- or three-letter abbreviations for > ->each city. And if necessary, each city could provide numbers for every > ->named street. Numbers can then be packed into 16-bit unsigned small > ->integers. Now my address is 5555 3333 St, SC, FL, US. Packed, that becomes > ->&fATSULFCSTS33UU, 16 bytes. Now I have my unique internet address. > -> > ->Contrived? Of course. Possible to implement? I think so. Each level of the > ->hierarchy could provide the scheme for compressing the next lower level's > ->data. This could all be made available publicly in a way such that my Aunt > ->in Bingham, Maine only needs to find out my street address and type it > ->into a browser, and the browser can fetch the compression rules from each > ->level of the hierarchy and generate the address, and she can then see my > ->webpage. > -> > ->An address in China would begin &fATNC and the remaining 10 bytes could be > ->Unicode (big5 would't go too far, would it?). I doubt if 5 characters > ->would work either, but then again, that country, or city, or city block, > ->could establish its own method of ensuring that every address can fit into > ->the 16 bytes of an IPv6 address. Of course, the planet and country codes > ->can be squished into a byte each, also. > -> > ->This is probably not precisely the best venue for this discussion, but > ->there are a lot of intelligent people on this list with the necessary > ->diversity of viewpoints to give this a thorough beating. And if it meets > ->dead silence, I'll know it was a complete waste of time typing this in. > -> > ->Thanks in advance - jc > -> > ->jcomeau@world.std.com aka John Otis Lene Comeau > ->Home page: http://world.std.com/~jcomeau/ > ->Disclaimer: Don't risk anything of value based on free advice. > ->"Anybody can do the difficult stuff. Call me when it's impossible." > -> > From pekkas@netcore.fi Sat Aug 4 07:47:22 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:47:22 +0300 (EEST) Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, John O Comeau wrote: > This is probably not precisely the best venue for this discussion, but > there are a lot of intelligent people on this list with the necessary > diversity of viewpoints to give this a thorough beating. And if it meets > dead silence, I'll know it was a complete waste of time typing this in. You might want to check out Tony Hain's (additional) Provider Independent assignment idea: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-use-00.txt This creates a more unique 48-bit prefix and leaves the rest to the users. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From pekkas@netcore.fi Mon Aug 6 10:56:05 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:56:05 +0300 (EEST) Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Gethings wrote: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-00.txt > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-use-00.txt > > > > This creates a more unique 48-bit prefix and leaves the rest to the users. > > > I personally think the above is worse than John's idea. Not only does this > require that these /48's be globally routed making it near impossible to > aggregate this address space, but it also gives an attacker the 10m location of > a persons or organisations internet access point! A bombers paradise. Any serious bomber can find out where the company is located anyway... :-) /48's don't need to be globally routed, provided that there are regional/areal exchanges that are willing to advertise the aggregate prefixes. When the number of global /48's increase, I guess the number of these would increase too. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From mfcho@hknet.com Mon Aug 6 14:58:39 2001 From: mfcho@hknet.com (Cho Man Fai) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:58:39 +0800 (HKT) Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation Message-ID: Dear all, Though RIRs allow the reverse delegation registration, I don't find any root server in IPv6. May someone advise whether the IPv6 reserver delegation works? Thanks in advance. Rgds, Kenneth Cho From daniel@netcomuk.co.uk Mon Aug 6 23:16:47 2001 From: daniel@netcomuk.co.uk (Daniel Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:16:47 +0100 Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme References: Message-ID: <003e01c11ec5$7c0cf8a0$fd00a8c0@spang> Perhaps you could just lob the packet out of the interface that was literrally "in the right direction" ? Yeah the bombing thing is a disadvantage - perhaps if the addresses were less specific it would help ? I wouldn't place bets on someone finding you from an address that specified a 10km or even 1km squared area with any speed. Just a thought... -- Dan W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pekka Savola" To: "David Gethings" Cc: "John O Comeau" ; <6bone@ISI.EDU> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:56 AM Subject: Re: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Gethings wrote: > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-00.txt > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-use-00.txt > > > > > > This creates a more unique 48-bit prefix and leaves the rest to the users. > > > > > I personally think the above is worse than John's idea. Not only does this > > require that these /48's be globally routed making it near impossible to > > aggregate this address space, but it also gives an attacker the 10m location of > > a persons or organisations internet access point! A bombers paradise. > > Any serious bomber can find out where the company is located anyway... :-) > > /48's don't need to be globally routed, provided that there are > regional/areal exchanges that are willing to advertise the aggregate > prefixes. When the number of global /48's increase, I guess the number of > these would increase too. > > -- > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords > > From bmanning@ISI.EDU Tue Aug 7 06:54:16 2001 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: from "Cho Man Fai" at Aug 06, 2001 09:58:39 PM Message-ID: <200108070554.f775sHe18574@zed.isi.edu> % % % Dear all, % % Though RIRs allow the reverse delegation registration, I don't find any % root server in IPv6. May someone advise whether the IPv6 reserver % delegation works? % % Thanks in advance. % % Rgds, % Kenneth Cho % IPv6 reverse delegations work. Please contact the RIR who provided you your delegation for details. If you have an delegation from 6bone, please let me know and we will get your delegation made. Regarding root service, there is no production service at this time. There is an experimental service. -- --bill From jeroen@unfix.org Wed Aug 8 16:01:56 2001 From: jeroen@unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:01:56 +0200 Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <200108070554.f775sHe18574@zed.isi.edu> Message-ID: <001101c1201b$115d5660$420d640a@HELL> Bill Manning > IPv6 reverse delegations work. Please contact the RIR who > provided you your delegation for details. If you have an > delegation from 6bone, please let me know and we will > get your delegation made. > http://www.foobar.tm/dns/ and then ip6.int: Gives you this picture: http://www.foobar.tm/dns/cache/ip6.int.gif And the following list: 8<------------------------------------------------- Wed Aug 8 16:53:32 CEST 2001 y.ip6.int A record currently not present ip6.int NS munnari.oz.au z.ip6.int hostmaster.ep.net (1925658 10800 900 604800 129600) *** ip6.int SOA record at munnari.oz.au is not authoritative ip6.int has lame delegation to munnari.oz.au ip6.int NS imag.imag.fr z.ip6.int hostmaster.ep.net (1925658 10800 900 604800 129600) ip6.int NS ns3.nic.fr Nameserver ns3.nic.fr not responding ip6.int SOA record not found at ns3.nic.fr, try again ip6.int NS z.ip6.int z.ip6.int hostmaster.ep.net (1925658 10800 900 604800 129600) ip6.int NS flag.ep.net z.ip6.int hostmaster.ep.net (1925658 10800 900 604800 129600) ------------------------------------------------->8 They are still a bit out of sync and broken though :) Fortunatly the ep.net DDoS has ended.... this way dns does know again where ip6.int is :) > Regarding root service, there is no production service > at this time. There is an experimental service. As long as one has a dual-stacked NS somewhere in his/her/it/... NS search to the root it will work... Greets, Jeroen From kre@munnari.OZ.AU Wed Aug 8 18:37:45 2001 From: kre@munnari.OZ.AU (Robert Elz) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 00:37:45 +0700 Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <001101c1201b$115d5660$420d640a@HELL> References: <001101c1201b$115d5660$420d640a@HELL> Message-ID: <5449.997292265@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:01:56 +0200 From: "Jeroen Massar" Message-ID: <001101c1201b$115d5660$420d640a@HELL> | *** ip6.int SOA record at munnari.oz.au is not authoritative | ip6.int has lame delegation to munnari.oz.au Yes, Bill, what's up, I noticed that things had broken (yet again) but hadn't gotten around to attempting to find out why... kre From hal@vailsys.com Wed Aug 8 22:52:59 2001 From: hal@vailsys.com (Hal Snyder) Date: 08 Aug 2001 16:52:59 -0500 Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <200108070554.f775sHe18574@zed.isi.edu> References: <200108070554.f775sHe18574@zed.isi.edu> Message-ID: <878zgute10.fsf@ghidra.vail> Bill Manning writes: > IPv6 reverse delegations work. Please contact the RIR who > provided you your delegation for details. If you have an > delegation from 6bone, please let me know and we will > get your delegation made. Right, our 6bone reverse delegations work fine, using IP6.INT. What of rfc3152, deprecating IP6.INT in favor of IP6.ARPA - "the old usage is not appropriate for new implementations" - should we plan on using ip6.arpa anytime soon on the 6bone? From bmanning@ISI.EDU Thu Aug 9 09:52:02 2001 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 01:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <878zgute10.fsf@ghidra.vail> from "Hal Snyder" at Aug 08, 2001 04:52:59 PM Message-ID: <200108090852.f798q2v21062@zed.isi.edu> % % Bill Manning writes: % % > IPv6 reverse delegations work. Please contact the RIR who % > provided you your delegation for details. If you have an % > delegation from 6bone, please let me know and we will % > get your delegation made. % % Right, our 6bone reverse delegations work fine, using IP6.INT. % % What of rfc3152, deprecating IP6.INT in favor of IP6.ARPA - "the old % usage is not appropriate for new implementations" - should we plan on % using ip6.arpa anytime soon on the 6bone? % ip6.arpa is an interesting idea and has been slowly working its way through the IESG/IAB approval process. It was not the product of an IETF WG and was driven strictly by political interests. At some point, there may actually be nameservers for this proposed delegation. -- --bill From jcomeau@world.std.com Thu Aug 9 09:55:39 2001 From: jcomeau@world.std.com (John O Comeau) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 04:55:39 -0400 Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme Message-ID: Just to summarize the responses: > As if the Privacy people weren't paranoid enough already :) The MAN will > surely know what they are up to then... The MAN already knows. And I'm as paranoid as any, but the whole purpose of this is to wire up the 90+% of the world's population who don't care what the MAN does. I think the MAN might even like the idea enough to foot the bill. > Interesting idea but 2 immediate issues come to mind: > 1. How do I address the 764 devices and processes in my home or office > or the 140 unique devices in my motor car? > 2. What if I don't want to give out my address? Guys like you and me will always be able to get a few gazillion ipv6 addresses using 6to4 or other means. The idea here is to get the rest of the world online and sharing information and ideas. > I wouldn't use this scheme for allocating IPv6 addresses, it is the job of > DNS to make it easy to address a computer containing your webpage right? You > also face the problem of privacy (as someone mentioned), ISPs sharing > addresses (very large routing tables?), and management costs. > I don't think it is necessary to start out with the planets name, first of > all we are not there yet, secondly I can imagine the lag involved in > greate distances and a threeway handshake. If we just could send > information faster than light.. Good points. But I kind of like the idea of eliminating DNS in at least one addressing scheme. The ISP sharing thing would be a big problem, I was thinking however of a separate infrastructure, either government-funded or grassroots-initiative. I'd still give a byte up for the planet code, for the 'cool' factor if nothing else. > Not to mention that I have an IPv6 NETWORK in my house. Do I have to > have a IPv6-NAT for that? Another inveterate hacker. You _could_, but you wouldn't need to, because you can also get addresses by other methods. > You forgot to think about the possibility of having more than 1 computer > per street address. > What about those 1/4th mile tall skyscrapers, without counting all the > wall switches aso... > IPv6 has chosen to keep the last 64bits as a private address part... > Can you shrink all the above in only 8 bytes ? Didn't forget that at all. This is not about J. Random Hacker, it's about normal people (the kind that don't subscribe to lists like this). And who says we have to play by the rules, anyway? Even if I agree on the last 64 bits being private, who says I can't subnet those out even to /128s? And yes, in many cases, with a good compression scheme, I could get the above into 8 bytes. 2 for the TLA, 1 planet, 1 country, 1 state/province/prefecture etc., 1 city; makes 6. For a small town with less than 65,000-some-odd addresses that would work. > Heh, Really, the idea I think would have promise, would be a conspirist's > nightmare ;) I'm something of a conspiricist myself, but I think speading connectivity would have more advantages than disadvantages. > You might want to check out Tony Hain's (additional) Provider Independent > assignment idea: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-00.txt > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-use-00.txt > This creates a more unique 48-bit prefix and leaves the rest to the users. I shall do that. I'm sure there are many ways of doing this. > I personally think the above is worse than John's idea. Not only does this > require that these /48's be globally routed making it near impossible to > aggregate this address space, but it also gives an attacker the 10m location of > a persons or organisations internet access point! A bombers paradise. > The other problem with John's idea is that the address of a machine is tied to > its address. Not only would routers have to contend with new streets and houses > being built, but what if you move a lot? > These problems can be oversome I'm sure, but perhaps it's best discussed in > context of the next version of IP (IPv8 anyone?). ;) You move, you change addresses. That's the point. And if the infrastructure is laid out well, the impact on routers will be minimal. IPv8 would be great, but I was hoping to do something before I get much older; I'll bet we'll be facing the time_t crisis before ipv8 gets off the drawing boards. > Zip codes are probably a way to go. > I once thought about network adressing based upon lat and long; the idea > was that routers could, knowing their own location, use this information > as a hint to route packets a bit closer (physically) to their destination > when network route information was lacking. If you make certain > constraints on the physical architecture, you can even ditch BGP and do it > all with coordinates. Just need to make sure that, if you drew the network > as a big diagram, no area bounded by network connections (with no > connections across it) is convex, or else you have a "peninsula" that can > fill up with traffic meant for points beyond it. > The cost of administering that is probably less than the cost of RIPE et > al and all those complex BGP implementations and routing tables :-) Zipcodes would work great in the US, since the USPS already does all the work of mapping out new addresses to delivery-walk 11-digit codes. An 11-digit decimal number will fit easily into 5 bytes, leaving room for the TLD and country code. I may have to drop the planet code after all... Thanks everyone for the comments. Even if the IANA can't be persuaded to grant a TLA for this crude idea, it could be used by neighborhood LANs which don't connect to the internet... I'll post a webpage on this if I make any headway. jcomeau@world.std.com aka John Otis Lene Comeau Home page: http://world.std.com/~jcomeau/ Disclaimer: Don't risk anything of value based on free advice. "Anybody can do the difficult stuff. Call me when it's impossible." From kre@munnari.OZ.AU Thu Aug 9 10:57:05 2001 From: kre@munnari.OZ.AU (Robert Elz) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:57:05 +0700 Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <5449.997292265@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> References: <5449.997292265@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <001101c1201b$115d5660$420d640a@HELL> Message-ID: <4382.997351025@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 00:37:45 +0700 From: Robert Elz Message-ID: <5449.997292265@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> | Yes, Bill, what's up, I noticed that things had broken (yet again) | but hadn't gotten around to attempting to find out why... I went and looked now... It seems that the primary server changed, and no-one told me about that, so the zone simply expired when the previous server stopped being authoritative... Now, after updating to the new primary server, I get (after the UDP query for the SOA that verifies that a zone transfer is needed) ... need update, serial 1925658 send AXFR query to 198.32.2.66 bufsize = 1024 len = 25 ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 20268 ;; flags: qr; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; ip6.int, type = AXFR, class = IN close(5) succeeded error receiving zone transfer Oh well... kre From bmanning@ISI.EDU Thu Aug 9 11:14:15 2001 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <4382.997351025@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> from "Robert Elz" at Aug 09, 2001 04:57:05 PM Message-ID: <200108091014.f79AEFi21188@zed.isi.edu> % % Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 00:37:45 +0700 % From: Robert Elz % Message-ID: <5449.997292265@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> % % | Yes, Bill, what's up, I noticed that things had broken (yet again) % | but hadn't gotten around to attempting to find out why... % % I went and looked now... % % It seems that the primary server changed, and no-one told me about that, % so the zone simply expired when the previous server stopped being % authoritative... % % Now, after updating to the new primary server, I get (after the UDP % query for the SOA that verifies that a zone transfer is needed) ... % % need update, serial 1925658 % send AXFR query to 198.32.2.66 % bufsize = 1024 % len = 25 % ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 20268 % ;; flags: qr; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 % ;; ip6.int, type = AXFR, class = IN % close(5) succeeded % error receiving zone transfer % % Oh well... % % kre % A repair from ddos attack on nameservers. Only one on munnari's addresses added. fixed. -- --bill From jeroen@unfix.org Thu Aug 9 18:30:17 2001 From: jeroen@unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:30:17 +0200 Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <200108091014.f79AEFi21188@zed.isi.edu> Message-ID: <000701c120f8$f4f91f70$420d640a@HELL> Bill Manning wrote: > > A repair from ddos attack on nameservers. Only one > on munnari's addresses added. fixed. I just did some more 'testing': 8<--------------------- jeroen@purgatory:~$ dig @ns.nextra.sk. ip6.int soa ; <<>> DiG 9.1.1 <<>> @ns.nextra.sk. ip6.int soa ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 2462 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 6, ADDITIONAL: 7 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ip6.int. IN SOA ;; ANSWER SECTION: ip6.int. 80018 IN SOA z.ip6.int. hostmaster.ep.net. 1925658 10800 900 604800 129600 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: ip6.int. 75977 IN NS flag.ep.net. ip6.int. 75977 IN NS munnari.oz.au. ip6.int. 75977 IN NS imag.imag.fr. ip6.int. 75977 IN NS ns3.nic.fr. ip6.int. 75977 IN NS z.ip6.int. ip6.int. 75977 IN NS y.ip6.int. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: flag.ep.net. 109681 IN A 198.32.4.13 munnari.oz.au. 169430 IN A 128.250.1.21 munnari.oz.au. 169430 IN A 128.250.22.2 imag.imag.fr. 284005 IN A 129.88.30.1 ns3.nic.fr. 109678 IN A 192.134.0.49 z.ip6.int. 71884 IN A 198.32.2.66 z.ip6.int. 80018 IN AAAA 3ffe:0:1::c620:242 ;; Query time: 124 msec ;; SERVER: 195.168.1.2#53(ns.nextra.sk.) ;; WHEN: Thu Aug 9 18:36:38 2001 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 328 --------------------->8 The serial number is right..... But there is one nono: ns.nextra.sk itself is missing from the NS's (on ns.nextra.sk itself :)... (compared to flag.ep.net's output) 8<--------------------- jeroen@purgatory:~$ dig @ns3.nic.fr. ip6.int soa ; <<>> DiG 9.1.1 <<>> @ns3.nic.fr. ip6.int soa ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 24268 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ip6.int. IN SOA ;; Query time: 82 msec ;; SERVER: 192.134.0.49#53(ns3.nic.fr.) ;; WHEN: Thu Aug 9 18:43:48 2001 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 25 --------------------->8 Which kinda means that (at this moment) ns3.nic.fr doesn't seem to be up Another interresting 'fact' between munnari.oz.au. and flag.ep.net are the differences in TTL's, ns.nextra.sk is off there too... www.foobar.tm/dns thinks that y.ip6.int is failing simply because it hasn't got IPv6 support... ah well it does a good job at the rest of the things.. Though I wonder what other resolvers think of the fact that the NS entry has no A RR's.... 8<---------- y.ip6.int. 86400 IN AAAA 3ffe:50e::1 z.ip6.int. 86400 IN A 198.32.2.66 z.ip6.int. 86400 IN A6 0 3ffe:0:1::c620:242 z.ip6.int. 86400 IN AAAA 3ffe:0:1::c620:242 ----------->8 Oeee... A6 chains.... but y.ip6.int. doesn't have one :( Hope this little info helps you a bit more on fixing things... Greets, Jeroen From jeroen@unfix.org Thu Aug 9 19:39:22 2001 From: jeroen@unfix.org (Jeroen Massar) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:39:22 +0200 Subject: O/T: UCE from Andreas Roeschies on every mail sent.... (Was: RE: ipv6 reverse delegation) Message-ID: <001201c12102$9b82db20$420d640a@HELL> Dear Mr(s)/it/thing/ Andreas Roeschies, Everytime I do a post to this list (6bone@isi.edu) you are sending me this nice 'spam complaint' automatically... I think that's considered to be more 'spam' than the fact that this 'person' is spamming me each and everytime... I wonder what the legal consequences for this 'person' are if one's name is 'Bill Moneymaker' or 'John Girlson' or something :) On a second note.... Mr(s). Roeschies... By replying to email, be it automatic or not you are simply confirming that your mailbox is being read/processed. Which will then let them send you more and more mail.... Third note US law doesn't apply in germany (.de).... And neither German nor US law apply in.... Holland go figure... Have a nice day/night/week/year considering your useless autoreplies spamming everybody especially because the subject doesn't contain any of your listed stupid words. Hope you will fix this ASAP. Greets, Jeroen -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Roeschies [mailto:andreas@roeschies.de] Sent: Thursday, 09 August 2001 20:09 To: Jeroen Massar Subject: Re: RE: ipv6 reverse delegation YOUR MESSAGE HAS NOT BEEN DELIVERED. REMOVE WORDS LIKE "CREDIT", "$", "MONEY", "SEX" OR "GIRL" AND SO ON FROM THE SUBJECT AND TRY AGAIN. --------------------------------------------------- Unsolicited commercial/propaganda email subject to legal action. Under US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), Sec.227(b)(1)(C), and Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a State may impose a fine of not less than $500 per message. Read the full text of Title 47 Sec 227 at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/227.html --------------------------------------------------- Hiermit widerspreche ich der Nutzung oder Uebermittlung meiner Daten fuer Werbezwecke oder fuer die Markt- oder Meinungsforschung gemaess Paragraph 28 Absatz 3 Bundesdatenschutzgesetz. --------------------------------------------------- Andreas Roeschies From hal@vailsys.com Thu Aug 9 22:21:34 2001 From: hal@vailsys.com (Hal Snyder) Date: 09 Aug 2001 16:21:34 -0500 Subject: O/T: UCE from Andreas Roeschies on every mail sent.... (Was: RE: ipv6 reverse delegation) In-Reply-To: <001201c12102$9b82db20$420d640a@HELL> References: <001201c12102$9b82db20$420d640a@HELL> Message-ID: <87lmktexpd.fsf@ghidra.vail> "Jeroen Massar" writes: > Dear Mr(s)/it/thing/ Andreas Roeschies, > > Everytime I do a post to this list (6bone@isi.edu) you are sending me > this nice 'spam complaint' automatically... ... > YOUR MESSAGE HAS NOT BEEN DELIVERED. > REMOVE WORDS LIKE "CREDIT", "$", "MONEY", "SEX" OR "GIRL" > AND SO ON FROM THE SUBJECT AND TRY AGAIN. I got the same silly response from his out-of-control foo filter. Clearly there is something lewd about "ipv6". From Ilja.Maslov@nokia.com Fri Aug 10 05:21:37 2001 From: Ilja.Maslov@nokia.com (Ilja.Maslov@nokia.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 07:21:37 +0300 Subject: idea for ipv6 allocation scheme Message-ID: <294551FBCDD5D21189230008C7C55DD6073D6DF3@sieis01nok> Hi, Wanted to touch mobile devices a bit. In current GPRS implementation, the addresses (IPv4 or IPv6) are assigned by GGSN (gateway out of the GPRS backbone towards the content). This means, that even if you're roaming in a foreign country, you still get the address of your very own operator. Things are supposed to be changed a bit in 3G All-IP networks, but I do not remember any discussions on address assignment by Base Station Controller. Furthermore, it will make hand-overs to the next cell a nightmare (imagine changing your IP every time you change your BTS). Best, Ilja : : Just to summarize the responses: : : > As if the Privacy people weren't paranoid enough already :) The MAN : will : > surely know what they are up to then... : : The MAN already knows. And I'm as paranoid as any, but the : whole purpose : of this is to wire up the 90+% of the world's population who : don't care : what the MAN does. I think the MAN might even like the idea : enough to foot : the bill. : : > Interesting idea but 2 immediate issues come to mind: : > 1. How do I address the 764 devices and processes in my : home or office : > or the 140 unique devices in my motor car? : > 2. What if I don't want to give out my address? : : Guys like you and me will always be able to get a few gazillion ipv6 : addresses using 6to4 or other means. The idea here is to get : the rest of : the world online and sharing information and ideas. : : > I wouldn't use this scheme for allocating IPv6 addresses, : it is the job : of : > DNS to make it easy to address a computer containing your webpage : right? You : > also face the problem of privacy (as someone mentioned), : ISPs sharing : > addresses (very large routing tables?), and management costs. : : > I don't think it is necessary to start out with the planets : name, first : of : > all we are not there yet, secondly I can imagine the lag involved in : > greate distances and a threeway handshake. If we just could send : > information faster than light.. : : Good points. But I kind of like the idea of eliminating DNS : in at least : one addressing scheme. The ISP sharing thing would be a big : problem, I was : thinking however of a separate infrastructure, either : government-funded or : grassroots-initiative. : : I'd still give a byte up for the planet code, for the 'cool' factor if : nothing else. : : > Not to mention that I have an IPv6 NETWORK in my house. Do : I have to : > have a IPv6-NAT for that? : : Another inveterate hacker. You _could_, but you wouldn't need : to, because : you can also get addresses by other methods. : : > You forgot to think about the possibility of having more : than 1 computer : > per street address. : > What about those 1/4th mile tall skyscrapers, without : counting all the : > wall switches aso... : : > IPv6 has chosen to keep the last 64bits as a private address part... : > Can you shrink all the above in only 8 bytes ? : : Didn't forget that at all. This is not about J. Random : Hacker, it's about : normal people (the kind that don't subscribe to lists like this). : : And who says we have to play by the rules, anyway? Even if I : agree on the : last 64 bits being private, who says I can't subnet those out even to : /128s? And yes, in many cases, with a good compression : scheme, I could get : the above into 8 bytes. 2 for the TLA, 1 planet, 1 country, 1 : state/province/prefecture etc., 1 city; makes 6. For a small town with : less than 65,000-some-odd addresses that would work. : : > Heh, Really, the idea I think would have promise, would be a : conspirist's : > nightmare ;) : : I'm something of a conspiricist myself, but I think speading : connectivity : would have more advantages than disadvantages. : : > You might want to check out Tony Hain's (additional) Provider : Independent : > assignment idea: : : > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-00.txt : > : http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-use-00.txt : : > This creates a more unique 48-bit prefix and leaves the rest to the : users. : : I shall do that. I'm sure there are many ways of doing this. : : > I personally think the above is worse than John's idea. Not : only does : this : > require that these /48's be globally routed making it near : impossible to : > aggregate this address space, but it also gives an attacker the 10m : location of : > a persons or organisations internet access point! A bombers : paradise. : : > The other problem with John's idea is that the address of a : machine is : tied to : > its address. Not only would routers have to contend with : new streets and : houses : > being built, but what if you move a lot? : : > These problems can be oversome I'm sure, but perhaps it's : best discussed : in : > context of the next version of IP (IPv8 anyone?). ;) : : You move, you change addresses. That's the point. And if the : infrastructure is laid out well, the impact on routers will : be minimal. : : IPv8 would be great, but I was hoping to do something before : I get much : older; I'll bet we'll be facing the time_t crisis before ipv8 : gets off the : drawing boards. : : > Zip codes are probably a way to go. : : > I once thought about network adressing based upon lat and : long; the idea : > was that routers could, knowing their own location, use : this information : > as a hint to route packets a bit closer (physically) to their : destination : > when network route information was lacking. If you make certain : > constraints on the physical architecture, you can even : ditch BGP and do : it : > all with coordinates. Just need to make sure that, if you drew the : network : > as a big diagram, no area bounded by network connections (with no : > connections across it) is convex, or else you have a : "peninsula" that : can : > fill up with traffic meant for points beyond it. : : > The cost of administering that is probably less than the : cost of RIPE et : > al and all those complex BGP implementations and routing tables :-) : : Zipcodes would work great in the US, since the USPS already : does all the : work of mapping out new addresses to delivery-walk 11-digit codes. An : 11-digit decimal number will fit easily into 5 bytes, leaving : room for the : TLD and country code. I may have to drop the planet code after all... : : Thanks everyone for the comments. Even if the IANA can't be : persuaded to : grant a TLA for this crude idea, it could be used by neighborhood LANs : which don't connect to the internet... I'll post a webpage on : this if I : make any headway. : : jcomeau@world.std.com aka John Otis Lene Comeau : Home page: http://world.std.com/~jcomeau/ : Disclaimer: Don't risk anything of value based on free advice. : "Anybody can do the difficult stuff. Call me when it's impossible." : From Jan Oravec Fri Aug 10 14:44:20 2001 From: Jan Oravec (Jan Oravec) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:44:20 +0200 Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <000701c120f8$f4f91f70$420d640a@HELL>; from jeroen@unfix.org on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 07:30:17PM +0200 References: <200108091014.f79AEFi21188@zed.isi.edu> <000701c120f8$f4f91f70$420d640a@HELL> Message-ID: <20010810154420.A76996@ipv6.isternet.sk> Well, it seems to be working now... ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3rc1 <<>> @ns.nextra.sk. ip6.int soa ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18771 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 7, ADDITIONAL: 8 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ip6.int. IN SOA ;; ANSWER SECTION: ip6.int. 86130 IN SOA z.ip6.int. hostmaster.ep.net. 1925658 10800 900 604800 129600 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: ip6.int. 86130 IN NS ns.nextra.sk. ip6.int. 86130 IN NS ns3.nic.fr. ip6.int. 86130 IN NS flag.ep.net. ip6.int. 86130 IN NS imag.imag.fr. ip6.int. 86130 IN NS munnari.oz.au. ip6.int. 86130 IN NS y.ip6.int. ip6.int. 86130 IN NS z.ip6.int. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns.nextra.sk. 43200 IN A 195.168.1.2 ns3.nic.fr. 113936 IN A 192.134.0.49 flag.ep.net. 120150 IN A 198.32.4.13 imag.imag.fr. 276419 IN A 129.88.30.1 munnari.oz.au. 112800 IN A 128.250.1.21 y.ip6.int. 86130 IN AAAA 3ffe:50e::1 z.ip6.int. 86129 IN A 198.32.2.66 z.ip6.int. 86129 IN AAAA 3ffe:0:1::c620:242 ;; Query time: 3 msec ;; SERVER: 195.168.1.2#53(ns.nextra.sk.) ;; WHEN: Fri Aug 10 15:43:48 2001 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 382 > jeroen@purgatory:~$ dig @ns.nextra.sk. ip6.int soa > > ; <<>> DiG 9.1.1 <<>> @ns.nextra.sk. ip6.int soa > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 2462 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 6, ADDITIONAL: 7 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;ip6.int. IN SOA > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > ip6.int. 80018 IN SOA z.ip6.int. > hostmaster.ep.net. 1925658 10800 900 604800 129600 > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > ip6.int. 75977 IN NS flag.ep.net. > ip6.int. 75977 IN NS munnari.oz.au. > ip6.int. 75977 IN NS imag.imag.fr. > ip6.int. 75977 IN NS ns3.nic.fr. > ip6.int. 75977 IN NS z.ip6.int. > ip6.int. 75977 IN NS y.ip6.int. > > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > flag.ep.net. 109681 IN A 198.32.4.13 > munnari.oz.au. 169430 IN A 128.250.1.21 > munnari.oz.au. 169430 IN A 128.250.22.2 > imag.imag.fr. 284005 IN A 129.88.30.1 > ns3.nic.fr. 109678 IN A 192.134.0.49 > z.ip6.int. 71884 IN A 198.32.2.66 > z.ip6.int. 80018 IN AAAA 3ffe:0:1::c620:242 > > ;; Query time: 124 msec > ;; SERVER: 195.168.1.2#53(ns.nextra.sk.) > ;; WHEN: Thu Aug 9 18:36:38 2001 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 328 > --------------------->8 > > The serial number is right..... But there is one nono: ns.nextra.sk > itself is missing from the NS's (on ns.nextra.sk itself :)... (compared > to flag.ep.net's output) From johnb@exario.net Fri Aug 10 15:45:45 2001 From: johnb@exario.net (John Bittenbender) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:45:45 -0400 Subject: O/T: UCE from Andreas Roeschies on every mail sent.... (Was: RE: ipv6 reverse delegation) References: <001201c12102$9b82db20$420d640a@HELL> <87lmktexpd.fsf@ghidra.vail> Message-ID: <003f01c121ab$23270ad0$19545d40@BITTENBENDERLT2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Snyder" To: <6bone@ISI.EDU> | "Jeroen Massar" writes: | | > Dear Mr(s)/it/thing/ Andreas Roeschies, | > | > Everytime I do a post to this list (6bone@isi.edu) you are sending me | > this nice 'spam complaint' automatically... | ... | > YOUR MESSAGE HAS NOT BEEN DELIVERED. | > REMOVE WORDS LIKE "CREDIT", "$", "MONEY", "SEX" OR "GIRL" | > AND SO ON FROM THE SUBJECT AND TRY AGAIN. | | I got the same silly response from his out-of-control foo filter. | Clearly there is something lewd about "ipv6". I imagine that it is the address of the list that triggers it. 6BONE@isi.edu Just a guess. John Bittenbender From info@caladan.net Sat Aug 11 16:09:04 2001 From: info@caladan.net (info@caladan.net) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:09:04 +0100 Subject: ip6.int delegation Message-ID: <200108111609.f7BG9Dm07559@usul.caladan.net> Hi, Could someone enlighten me as to how you get your nameservers delegated to be authoritive for a 3ffe/28 allocation in the reverse zone ip6.int ? Thanks, Paul From bmanning@ISI.EDU Sat Aug 11 22:09:39 2001 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ip6.int delegation In-Reply-To: <200108111609.f7BG9Dm07559@usul.caladan.net> from "info@caladan.net" at Aug 11, 2001 04:09:04 PM Message-ID: <200108112109.f7BL9dQ23884@zed.isi.edu> % % Hi, % % Could someone enlighten me as to how you get your nameservers % delegated to be authoritive for a 3ffe/28 allocation in the reverse % zone ip6.int ? % % Thanks, % Paul % You send a list of your delegated prefix and two authoritative nameservers to either bmanning@isis.edu or hostmaster@ep.net Bob, can you ensure that this information is passed on when you authorize delegations? -- --bill From cjs94@zepler.org.uk Sun Aug 12 19:58:04 2001 From: cjs94@zepler.org.uk (Chris Smith) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:58:04 +0100 Subject: Requirements for joining the 6Bone Message-ID: <3B76DFCC.21430.F60C82@localhost> Hi, I am interested in IPv6 and, having read the "How to join the 6bone" document (http://www.6bone.net/6bone_hookup.html), I now have a question. The document talks about building a configured IPv4 tunnel to the 6bone point of entry. This leads me to believe that to connect to the 6bone one must first be in possession of a static IPv4 address. Is a static IPv4 address a requirement of joining the 6bone? Is is possible for a dialup user with a dynamic ISP-assigned IPv4 address to join the 6bone? Thanks in advance, Chris -- Chris Smith Work: chris.smith@tfbplc.co.uk Home: cjs94@zepler.org.uk PGP Key available from public key servers; Key ID 0xA9DA8E79 "Veni, vidi, velcro." - "I came, I saw, I stuck around." From szur@ix.renet.pl Mon Aug 13 00:43:51 2001 From: szur@ix.renet.pl (Piotr Zurawski) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Requirements for joining the 6Bone In-Reply-To: <3B76DFCC.21430.F60C82@localhost> Message-ID: <20010813013051.S79720-100000@ix.renet.pl> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Chris Smith wrote: > The document talks about building a configured IPv4 tunnel to the > 6bone point of entry. This leads me to believe that to connect to the > 6bone one must first be in possession of a static IPv4 address. > > Is a static IPv4 address a requirement of joining the 6bone? > Is is possible for a dialup user with a dynamic ISP-assigned IPv4 > address to join the 6bone? Tunneling is a sort of encapsulation, that is used, when you can't just send desired protocol over a line you have due to some limitations (eg. hardware is not capable). When talking about tunnels in the context of 6bone, we usualy mean transfering ipv6 packets over a ipv4 connection. But it's also possible to estabilish connection without using ip tunneling. You can send ipv6 packets over ATM or Frame Relay or anything else as long as your hardware supports that. As you see, having ipv4 structure is not required to use ipv6 adresses. It is possible to access ipv6 networks using dialup in at least three ways (these are the ways I know): * Using dynamic tunneling (eg. updated via www interface) * Using 6to4 mechanism * Using ipv6 capable dialups. I've heard of one ISP in Nederlands with country-wide dialup that assigns both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses to the users. > Chris -- Piotr Zurawski szur@ix.renet.pl From fink@es.net Mon Aug 13 03:19:12 2001 From: fink@es.net (Bob Fink) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:19:12 -0700 Subject: ip6.int delegation In-Reply-To: <200108112109.f7BL9dQ23884@zed.isi.edu> References: <200108111609.f7BG9Dm07559@usul.caladan.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010812191715.022ff8f8@imap2.es.net> At 02:09 PM 8/11/2001 -0700, Bill Manning wrote: >% >% Hi, >% >% Could someone enlighten me as to how you get your nameservers >% delegated to be authoritive for a 3ffe/28 allocation in the reverse >% zone ip6.int ? >% >% Thanks, >% Paul >% > > >You send a list of your delegated prefix and two authoritative >nameservers to either bmanning@isis.edu or hostmaster@ep.net > > >Bob, can you ensure that this information is passed on when >you authorize delegations? Sure. Thanks, Bob From berni@birkenwald.de Mon Aug 13 12:21:59 2001 From: berni@birkenwald.de (Bernhard Schmidt) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:21:59 +0200 Subject: Requirements for joining the 6Bone In-Reply-To: <3B76DFCC.21430.F60C82@localhost>; from cjs94@zepler.org.uk on Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 07:58:04PM +0100 References: <3B76DFCC.21430.F60C82@localhost> Message-ID: <20010813132159.A26435@thor.birkenwald.de> --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 07:58:04PM +0100, Chris Smith wrote: Hi, > Is a static IPv4 address a requirement of joining the 6bone? It's not a requirement, but then you have to use a tunnel endpoint where yo= u=20 can update your local ip at runtime. > Is is possible for a dialup user with a dynamic ISP-assigned IPv4=20 > address to join the 6bone? You could try freenet6.net, they provide IPv6-over-IPv4 tunnels for=20 dynamic IPs and they even assign /48-prefixes. I tried it before I got=20 my static line and it worked quite well. bye bye Bernhard --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7d7hWVzZpoixb9KMRAm/DAJ9vUZ7tXmZQjZFq4hQHwj1gQ/tFzwCfaCmj JmBP+EhoSJS+jZwKNsh/kVg= =uo48 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q-- From bmanning@ISI.EDU Mon Aug 13 18:02:18 2001 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: <000701c120f8$f4f91f70$420d640a@HELL> from "Jeroen Massar" at Aug 09, 2001 07:30:17 PM Message-ID: <200108131702.f7DH2IR01715@zed.isi.edu> for ip6.int, ns3.nic.fr returns SERVFAIL ns.nextra.sk returns NOERROR, and the data from the INT zone in the authority section. I'll be working w/ these servers administrative support staff to ensure these are either corrected on removed. -- --bill From cjs94@zepler.org.uk Mon Aug 13 19:54:49 2001 From: cjs94@zepler.org.uk (Chris Smith) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:54:49 +0100 Subject: Requirements for joining the 6Bone In-Reply-To: <3B76DFCC.21430.F60C82@localhost> Message-ID: <3B783089.19360.6AC132@localhost> Many thanks to those that responded, I'm now off to investigate further. Chris -- Chris Smith Work: chris.smith@tfbplc.co.uk Home: cjs94@zepler.org.uk PGP Key available from public key servers; Key ID 0xA9DA8E79 "Veni, vidi, velcro." - "I came, I saw, I stuck around." From michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us Mon Aug 13 21:36:33 2001 From: michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us (Michel Py) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:36:33 -0700 Subject: O/T: MHTP draft (draft-py-multi6-mhtp-01.txt) Message-ID: <2B81403386729140A3A899A8B39B046403AD01@server2000.arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> I welcome anybody's comments on not-yet-published -01 version of the draft: http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/draft-py-multi6-mhtp-01.txt ( The -00 is available here: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-py-multi6-mhtp-00.txt ) Regards, Michel. From bmanning@ISI.EDU Mon Aug 13 21:50:25 2001 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (Bill Manning) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ipv6 reverse delegation In-Reply-To: from "Christian Bahls" at Aug 13, 2001 10:34:26 PM Message-ID: <200108132050.f7DKoP202033@zed.isi.edu> % > % What of rfc3152, deprecating IP6.INT in favor of IP6.ARPA - "the old % > % usage is not appropriate for new implementations" - should we plan on % > % using ip6.arpa anytime soon on the 6bone? % > % % > ip6.arpa is an interesting idea and has been slowly % > working its way through the IESG/IAB approval process. % > It was not the product of an IETF WG and was driven % > strictly by political interest % % right you name it .. % should one really be so keen % to do everything US-Goverment tells us to? In this case, its the IESG/IAB forcing a change that has zero technological basis. Odd work for the IESG/IAB, who are supposed to be political agnostics. The USG has little to do with it. --bill From david.greaves@idl-bt.com Tue Aug 14 10:17:58 2001 From: david.greaves@idl-bt.com (david.greaves@idl-bt.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:17:58 +0100 Subject: Requirements for joining the 6Bone Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A940F3BF040@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk> I did some playing with this and set up my dial-up linux box as an IPv6 router, got it to obtain an IPv6 address and network from an HTML form (BTs) and then used radvd to inform a couple of IPv6 clients. It needed a custom perl script to go to the form and then setup local config but it worked after a fashion :) I wrote 25 pages of notes that went through from kernel config, Bind 9 setup, radvd, and wrote a noddy client/server. It's not a HOWTO but it documents my ramblings somewhat :) If anyone wants I'll send or post them up. David Greaves -- Internet Designers Limited - a BT company Mobile: 07740 824106 IDL intranet site http://intranet.idl.bt.co.uk/ External web site http://www.internet-designers.net/ This email contains information from Internet Designers Ltd which may be privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Smith [mailto:cjs94@zepler.org.uk] > Sent: 12 August 2001 19:58 > To: 6bone@ISI.EDU > Subject: Requirements for joining the 6Bone > > > Hi, > > I am interested in IPv6 and, having read the "How to join the 6bone" > document (http://www.6bone.net/6bone_hookup.html), I now have a > question. > > The document talks about building a configured IPv4 tunnel to the > 6bone point of entry. This leads me to believe that to connect to the > 6bone one must first be in possession of a static IPv4 address. > > Is a static IPv4 address a requirement of joining the 6bone? > Is is possible for a dialup user with a dynamic ISP-assigned IPv4 > address to join the 6bone? > > Thanks in advance, > > > Chris > -- > Chris Smith > Work: chris.smith@tfbplc.co.uk Home: cjs94@zepler.org.uk > PGP Key available from public key servers; Key ID 0xA9DA8E79 > "Veni, vidi, velcro." - "I came, I saw, I stuck around." > From Amit.Schnitzer@orange.co.il Sun Aug 19 13:55:16 2001 From: Amit.Schnitzer@orange.co.il (Amit Schnitzer) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 14:55:16 +0200 Subject: Looking for a contact person at Stealth. Message-ID: <968264FD6D32D4118EFC00805FC799B7024FA8A5@ranexch2.partnergsm.co.il> Does anybody know of a contact person at Stealth ? I have been in contact with a person named Shrihari Pandit [spandit@stealth.net] through mails but he vanished a few weeks ago and I can't seem to reach him. I also tried to contact him trough the company's address at ipv6@stealth.net . Any help will be gratefully accepted, Amit Schnitzer Network and Security team Partner Communications Company Ltd. Tel: 03-9055765 Mobile: 054-815765 From aljaz@iskratel.si Mon Aug 20 07:23:11 2001 From: aljaz@iskratel.si (Aljaz Tomaz RDPM) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:23:11 +0200 Subject: IPv6 simulator Message-ID: <7E8519F1A7C0D211B0D200A0C93AA60F06FA3BBE@ntmail.iskratel.si> Hi all! Does anyone know if there is any available IPv6 simulator (to simulate network, traffic, etc). Best regards, Tomaz > _______________________________ > M.Sc. Tomaz Aljaz, > ISKRATEL, Ltd., Kranj > Ljubljanska c. 24a > 4000 Kranj > Slovenia > www.iskratel.si > > Phone: (+386) 4 207 3425 E.Mail: aljaz@iskratel.si > Fax: (+386) 4 202 1525 e-Fax: (+386) 4 207 39425 > _________________________________________________ > > > From Ilja.Maslov@nokia.com Mon Aug 20 10:14:14 2001 From: Ilja.Maslov@nokia.com (Ilja.Maslov@nokia.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:14:14 +0300 Subject: IPv6 simulator Message-ID: <294551FBCDD5D21189230008C7C55DD6073D6E57@sieis01nok> : Does anyone know if there is any available IPv6 simulator (to simulate : network, traffic, etc). : Hi, MGEN6, it is usually at http://www.it.uc3m.es/~alberto/mgen6/ Ilja From aljaz@iskratel.si Mon Aug 20 13:08:48 2001 From: aljaz@iskratel.si (Aljaz Tomaz RDPM) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:08:48 +0200 Subject: IPv6 simulator Message-ID: <7E8519F1A7C0D211B0D200A0C93AA60F06FA3BCA@ntmail.iskratel.si> I have problems to connect to the site. Tomaz > -----Original Message----- > From: Ilja.Maslov@nokia.com [mailto:Ilja.Maslov@nokia.com] > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:14 AM > To: 6bone@ISI.EDU > Subject: RE: IPv6 simulator > > > > : Does anyone know if there is any available IPv6 simulator > (to simulate > : network, traffic, etc). > : > Hi, > > MGEN6, it is usually at http://www.it.uc3m.es/~alberto/mgen6/ > > Ilja > From paitken@cisco.com Tue Aug 21 14:45:05 2001 From: paitken@cisco.com (Paul Aitken) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:45:05 +0100 Subject: Excessive 6bone BGP route flap? Message-ID: <3B8265E1.908ACBD2@cisco.com> Folks, I'm looking at my 6bone routers, and seeing excessive bgp flap for 2001::/16 and 3FFE:8080::/28 : Network From Flaps Duration Reuse Path *d 2001:2E8::/35 3FFE:C00:E:18:: 726 1d12h 00:57:10 8954 8002 2042 4691 h 3FFE:80A0:0:F00 1050 4d04h 3320 8002 4691 *d 3FFE:C00:E:B::2 2678 5d05h 00:57:10 237 3748 4725 4691 *d 3FFE:80C0:200:5 3608 1w0d 00:57:10 8002 2042 4691 *d 3FFE:8080::/28 3FFE:C00:E:18:: 723 1d11h 00:58:10 8954 8002 4691 h 3FFE:80A0:0:F00 877 4d04h 3320 8002 4691 *d 3FFE:C00:E:B::2 1335 5d05h 00:56:10 237 8002 4691 *d 3FFE:80C0:200:5 3605 1w0d 00:58:10 8002 4691 *d 3FFE:8080::/28 3FFE:C00:8023:1 1768 1w0d 00:49:20 33 8002 4691 If I'm reading this right, it flapped 3600 times in the last week - over 500 times per day, or every 3 minutes :( I feel that's just a tad excessive :( -- Paul Aitken IPv6 Development, Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. EH6 6LX From ishizaki@dti.ad.jp Tue Aug 21 18:30:44 2001 From: ishizaki@dti.ad.jp (Yutaka Ishizaki) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:30:44 +0900 Subject: Excessive 6bone BGP route flap? In-Reply-To: <3B8265E1.908ACBD2@cisco.com> References: <3B8265E1.908ACBD2@cisco.com> Message-ID: <20010822023044G.ishizaki@dti.ad.jp> Hello Paul, This is Yutaka Ishizaki of Dream Train Internet(AS4691), maintaining route of 2001:2E8::/35 and 3FFE:8080::/28. I found problem to flapping tunnel link of AS8002. and shutdown of bgp peer now. Thank you for your report. > Folks, > > I'm looking at my 6bone routers, and seeing excessive bgp flap for > 2001::/16 and 3FFE:8080::/28 : > -- snip -- > > If I'm reading this right, it flapped 3600 times in the last week - over > 500 times per day, or every 3 minutes :( > > I feel that's just a tad excessive :( -- Yutaka Ishizaki DREAM TRAIN INTERNET, INC. From Q@ping.be Tue Aug 21 18:54:50 2001 From: Q@ping.be (Kurt Roeckx) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:54:50 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: Looking for a contact person at Stealth. (fwd) Message-ID: <20010821195450.A8936@ping.be> --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Ville's request ... Kurt --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from pop.pi.be by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.0.8) for kurt@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:48:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from millennium.stealth.net (postfix@millennium.stealth.net [206.252.192.5]) by newbrussel.planetinternet.be (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7LDtMa18872 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:55:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by millennium.stealth.net (Postfix, from userid 65697) id 4EF9C6AA5; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by millennium.stealth.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432BCB997 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Ville To: Q@ping.be Subject: Re: Looking for a contact person at Stealth. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 5O_!!c,*#!E&7"!<6S!! Kurt, Could you pass this to the list? The message was sent a few days back but never seemed to reach the list. Thanks. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ville To: Amit Schnitzer Cc: 6bone@isi.edu Subject: Re: Looking for a contact person at Stealth. On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Amit Schnitzer wrote: > Does anybody know of a contact person at Stealth ? > I have been in contact with a person named Shrihari Pandit > [...] > I also tried to contact him trough the company's address at ipv6@stealth.net Amit, oops. :) we apologize for the delayed response - it's unfortunate seeing you had to seek for alternative contact-method to get in touch with us. We are mostly pretty easy to find about, but at times our schedules are admittedly tied with issues regarding directly connected customers and other local end-sites. ipv6@stealth.net is fine as a contact-address. Basically, it has has the best reach and always gets to the right people. Personal e-mail addresses have the problem of being subject to vacations and other person-related issues, as in the case of any changes in job-description, et cetera. PS - I just spoke with Shri and he said he'd get back to you within the next few hours' time. > Amit Schnitzer Hope this helps, -- Ville Network Security/IPv6 Solutions Stealth Communications, Inc. --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- From rrockell@sprint.net Tue Aug 21 20:28:45 2001 From: rrockell@sprint.net (Robert J. Rockell) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Excessive 6bone BGP route flap? In-Reply-To: <3B8265E1.908ACBD2@cisco.com> Message-ID: There is nothing expressly written in rfc2772 prohibiting dampening. I would encourage all to dampen where you can (should only affect on EBGP, but you never know with some of the implementations) with at the very least, looser-than-default parameters. Sprint is dampening with default parameters for IPv6, and it appears to be lessening these issues. P.S. we are not seeing flaps directly from 8002 at this time. Thanks Rob Rockell Principal Engineer SprintLink Europe/Asia 703-689-6322 Sprint E|Solutions: Thinking outside the 435 box ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Paul Aitken wrote: ->Folks, -> ->I'm looking at my 6bone routers, and seeing excessive bgp flap for ->2001::/16 and 3FFE:8080::/28 : -> -> Network From Flaps Duration Reuse Path -> ->*d 2001:2E8::/35 3FFE:C00:E:18:: 726 1d12h 00:57:10 8954 8002 ->2042 4691 -> h 3FFE:80A0:0:F00 1050 4d04h 3320 8002 ->4691 ->*d 3FFE:C00:E:B::2 2678 5d05h 00:57:10 237 3748 ->4725 4691 ->*d 3FFE:80C0:200:5 3608 1w0d 00:57:10 8002 2042 ->4691 -> ->*d 3FFE:8080::/28 3FFE:C00:E:18:: 723 1d11h 00:58:10 8954 8002 ->4691 -> h 3FFE:80A0:0:F00 877 4d04h 3320 8002 ->4691 ->*d 3FFE:C00:E:B::2 1335 5d05h 00:56:10 237 8002 ->4691 ->*d 3FFE:80C0:200:5 3605 1w0d 00:58:10 8002 4691 -> ->*d 3FFE:8080::/28 3FFE:C00:8023:1 1768 1w0d 00:49:20 33 8002 4691 -> ->If I'm reading this right, it flapped 3600 times in the last week - over ->500 times per day, or every 3 minutes :( -> ->I feel that's just a tad excessive :( ->-- ->Paul Aitken ->IPv6 Development, Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. EH6 6LX -> From digital@stealth.net Tue Aug 21 21:43:05 2001 From: digital@stealth.net (Shrihari Pandit) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:43:05 -0400 Subject: *RESOLVED* Re: Excessive 6bone BGP route flap? In-Reply-To: <20010822023044G.ishizaki@dti.ad.jp>; from ishizaki@dti.ad.jp on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:30:44AM +0900 References: <3B8265E1.908ACBD2@cisco.com> <20010822023044G.ishizaki@dti.ad.jp> Message-ID: <20010821164305.A19481@stealth.net> Hi, Thanks for reporting. bx1.ny1, one of our 6bone routers was swapping due to memory leak in Zebra's bgpd daemon. We've applied patches to the daemon and should be working properly. In the future, you may contact ipv6@stealth.net or noc@stealth.net when issues arise. In case of emergency please call 1-212-232-2020 (or my cellular #, listed below). Within the next day or two I'll make sure our 6bone equipment is monitored properly. Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused. Kind Regards, Shrihari Pandit Stealth Communications, Inc. Tel: 212-232-2020 (Cel: 646-221-7856) Fax: 212-232-2021 On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:30:44AM +0900, Yutaka Ishizaki wrote: > Hello Paul, > > This is Yutaka Ishizaki of Dream Train Internet(AS4691), > maintaining route of 2001:2E8::/35 and 3FFE:8080::/28. > > I found problem to flapping tunnel link of AS8002. > and shutdown of bgp peer now. > > Thank you for your report. > > > > Folks, > > > > I'm looking at my 6bone routers, and seeing excessive bgp flap for > > 2001::/16 and 3FFE:8080::/28 : > > > -- snip -- > > > > If I'm reading this right, it flapped 3600 times in the last week - over > > 500 times per day, or every 3 minutes :( > > > > I feel that's just a tad excessive :( > > > -- Yutaka Ishizaki > DREAM TRAIN INTERNET, INC. From chad@digitaltriage.net Thu Aug 23 00:20:02 2001 From: chad@digitaltriage.net (chad) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:20:02 -0500 Subject: 6BONE registry question Message-ID: <3B843E22.A44C6FFC@digitaltriage.net> Hello, I am new to the 6bone, i have been allocated address space and have a tunnel up and running. According to the 6bone.net site the next step is adding objects to the 6bone registry. I have added a PERSON and MNTER object per the new user steps on the registry web interface, my question is what other objects should i add to complete my registry entries? I have a bare minimum setup running right now, just a freebsd router, but i still want to adequately complete the registration process. Thanks for your help! - Chad From janekp@janekp.net Thu Aug 23 12:03:19 2001 From: janekp@janekp.net (Pawel Jankowski) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:03:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: 6BONE registry question In-Reply-To: <3B843E22.A44C6FFC@digitaltriage.net> Message-ID: <20010823130243.I73312-100000@lucjusz.bimar.pl> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, chad wrote: > Hello, > > I am new to the 6bone, i have been allocated address space and have a > tunnel up and running. According to the 6bone.net site the next step is > adding objects to the 6bone registry. I have added a PERSON and MNTER > object per the new user steps on the registry web interface, my question > is what other objects should i add to complete my registry entries? > I have a bare minimum setup running right now, just a freebsd router, > but i still want to adequately complete the registration process. Thanks > for your help! > ipv6site and inet6num objects Regards, Pawel -- Pawel Jankowski, janekp@IRCnet Phone: +48 71 783-14-61, GSM: +48 606 473 779 mailto: janekp@qm.pl 6bone-hdl: PJ3-6BONE From fink@es.net Fri Aug 24 01:13:03 2001 From: fink@es.net (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:13:03 -0700 Subject: 6to4 relay router survey Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net> 6bone Folk, I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. Please include any technical info, such as anycast (or other) use for discovery, and anything else you think relevant, e.g., platform... If you would rather reply directly to me, please do. The list is fine too. My purpose is both for 6bone-wide deployment planning, so we can get as much experience as possible, and for purposes of ngtrans transition planning. Thanks, Bob From wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au Fri Aug 24 04:18:22 2001 From: wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au (Anand Kumria) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:18:22 +1000 Subject: 6to4 relay router survey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net>; from fink@es.net on Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:13:03PM -0700 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net> Message-ID: <20010824131822.Z29119@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:13:03PM -0700, Bob Fink wrote: > 6bone Folk, > > I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay > routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. I currently have sutekh.progsoc.org configured to relay onto the 6bone; I've just been setting up BGP peering so we can start announcing the 2002::/16 network. > Please include any technical info, such as anycast (or other) use for > discovery, and anything else you think relevant, e.g., platform... Currently sutekh is running Linux 2.4.7 and Zebra 0.91; sutekh is located in Sydney, Australia. Once I've confirmed that reverse relaying (6bone -> IPv4) is working on sutekh, I plan to implement the anycast address as per rfc3068 Cheers, Anand -- I close my eyes, only for a moment and the moment's gone All my dreams, pass before my eyes a curiosity Dust in the wind, All we are is dust in the wind Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky Dust in the Wind -- Kansas, Don Kirshner From pekkas@netcore.fi Fri Aug 24 06:58:27 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:58:27 +0300 (EEST) Subject: 6to4 relay router survey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Bob Fink wrote: > I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay > routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. > > Please include any technical info, such as anycast (or other) use for > discovery, and anything else you think relevant, e.g., platform... We've had an experimental 6to4 relay for semi-internal use for some time now. (Un)Fortunately (however you take it :-), we don't have many 6to4 users, so this only helps with one direction of the traffic. We've also tested 6to4 w/ anycast address. There were some implementation, and some operational issues, with this. Most prominently 6to4 has been (mostly) designed from start to only operate with one 6to4 prefix. Any real box today would _have to have_ both real 6to4 prefix derived from real IPv4 address and one from IPv4 anycast address. So, you'd have to run the two on two different systems. Anycast is not being used at all yet in interdomain (DFZ) advertisements. I'm going to write more on this on ngtrans. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From janekp@janekp.net Thu Aug 23 12:03:19 2001 From: janekp@janekp.net (Pawel Jankowski) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:03:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: 6BONE registry question In-Reply-To: <3B843E22.A44C6FFC@digitaltriage.net> Message-ID: <20010823130243.I73312-100000@lucjusz.bimar.pl> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, chad wrote: > Hello, > > I am new to the 6bone, i have been allocated address space and have a > tunnel up and running. According to the 6bone.net site the next step is > adding objects to the 6bone registry. I have added a PERSON and MNTER > object per the new user steps on the registry web interface, my question > is what other objects should i add to complete my registry entries? > I have a bare minimum setup running right now, just a freebsd router, > but i still want to adequately complete the registration process. Thanks > for your help! > ipv6site and inet6num objects Regards, Pawel -- Pawel Jankowski, janekp@IRCnet Phone: +48 71 783-14-61, GSM: +48 606 473 779 mailto: janekp@qm.pl 6bone-hdl: PJ3-6BONE From fink@es.net Fri Aug 24 01:13:03 2001 From: fink@es.net (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:13:03 -0700 Subject: 6to4 relay router survey Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net> 6bone Folk, I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. Please include any technical info, such as anycast (or other) use for discovery, and anything else you think relevant, e.g., platform... If you would rather reply directly to me, please do. The list is fine too. My purpose is both for 6bone-wide deployment planning, so we can get as much experience as possible, and for purposes of ngtrans transition planning. Thanks, Bob From wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au Fri Aug 24 04:18:22 2001 From: wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au (Anand Kumria) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:18:22 +1000 Subject: 6to4 relay router survey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net>; from fink@es.net on Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:13:03PM -0700 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net> Message-ID: <20010824131822.Z29119@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 05:13:03PM -0700, Bob Fink wrote: > 6bone Folk, > > I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay > routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. I currently have sutekh.progsoc.org configured to relay onto the 6bone; I've just been setting up BGP peering so we can start announcing the 2002::/16 network. > Please include any technical info, such as anycast (or other) use for > discovery, and anything else you think relevant, e.g., platform... Currently sutekh is running Linux 2.4.7 and Zebra 0.91; sutekh is located in Sydney, Australia. Once I've confirmed that reverse relaying (6bone -> IPv4) is working on sutekh, I plan to implement the anycast address as per rfc3068 Cheers, Anand -- I close my eyes, only for a moment and the moment's gone All my dreams, pass before my eyes a curiosity Dust in the wind, All we are is dust in the wind Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky Dust in the Wind -- Kansas, Don Kirshner From pekkas@netcore.fi Fri Aug 24 06:58:27 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:58:27 +0300 (EEST) Subject: 6to4 relay router survey In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Bob Fink wrote: > I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay > routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. > > Please include any technical info, such as anycast (or other) use for > discovery, and anything else you think relevant, e.g., platform... We've had an experimental 6to4 relay for semi-internal use for some time now. (Un)Fortunately (however you take it :-), we don't have many 6to4 users, so this only helps with one direction of the traffic. We've also tested 6to4 w/ anycast address. There were some implementation, and some operational issues, with this. Most prominently 6to4 has been (mostly) designed from start to only operate with one 6to4 prefix. Any real box today would _have to have_ both real 6to4 prefix derived from real IPv4 address and one from IPv4 anycast address. So, you'd have to run the two on two different systems. Anycast is not being used at all yet in interdomain (DFZ) advertisements. I'm going to write more on this on ngtrans. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From adavis@ubasics.com Fri Aug 24 17:45:54 2001 From: adavis@ubasics.com (M. Adam Davis) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:45:54 -0400 Subject: Lurker wants to get involved - but how best to get started? Message-ID: <3B8684C2.3030006@ubasics.com> I've been lurking here for some time, but now want to put a bit of effort into doing ipv6. Currently I'm running Windows XP (build 2505 right now), and would like to start by just making this machine run it. My understanding is that I'll need to set it up to route ipv6 messages to a gatway/tunnel/router somewhere else. If I cannot do it with this machine, I could set up a freeBSD box and follow the instructions at kame, but I'd like to see what's available for this system if possible. Thanks for your time! I realize this isn't the best list to ask this question, but I'd appreciate any pointers to the right sites and lists. -Adam From wizard@think.to.it Fri Aug 24 19:07:31 2001 From: wizard@think.to.it (Matteo Tescione) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:07:31 +0200 Subject: Ptla Requests... Message-ID: <000e01c12cc7$a5173480$0900a8c0@local> Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C12CD8.6811CE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to all,=20 how is it possible to become a pTLA with a bgp4+ peering activated while = all major transit sites accept bgp4 peering only from pTLA? It's like dog eating tail.... Can anyone help me? Matteo Tescione IP & Security Manager INCOM s.r.l. via Ischia I, Grottammare AP ITALY ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C12CD8.6811CE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi to all,
how is it possible to become a pTLA = with a bgp4+=20 peering activated while all major transit sites accept bgp4 peering only = from=20 pTLA?
It's like dog eating = tail....
Can anyone help me?
 
Matteo Tescione
IP & Security=20 Manager
INCOM s.r.l.
via Ischia I, Grottammare AP=20 ITALY
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C12CD8.6811CE40-- From rrockell@sprint.net Fri Aug 24 19:56:58 2001 From: rrockell@sprint.net (Robert J. Rockell) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ptla Requests... In-Reply-To: <000e01c12cc7$a5173480$0900a8c0@local> Message-ID: I think who one accepts BGP from is a local policy. I run BGP to many many of my customers who use space out of my pTLA (well, they all do). Thanks Rob Rockell Principal Engineer SprintLink Europe/Asia 703-689-6322 Sprint E|Solutions: Thinking outside the 435 box ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Matteo Tescione wrote: ->Hi to all, ->how is it possible to become a pTLA with a bgp4+ peering activated while all major transit sites accept bgp4 peering only from pTLA? ->It's like dog eating tail.... ->Can anyone help me? -> ->Matteo Tescione ->IP & Security Manager ->INCOM s.r.l. ->via Ischia I, Grottammare AP ITALY -> From paitken@cisco.com Fri Aug 24 20:50:55 2001 From: paitken@cisco.com (Paul Aitken) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:50:55 +0100 Subject: 6to4 relay router survey References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823170804.02a45cd8@imap2.es.net> Message-ID: <3B86B01F.DF5A333C@cisco.com> Bob Fink wrote: > > 6bone Folk, > > I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay > routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. Cisco has been successfully operating a 6to4 relay for some time, and we plan to continue offering this service for the foreseeable future. Feedback from customers has been positive, although we have more customers with fully configured tunnels than 6to4 customers - I've configured five new fully configured tunnels and only one 6to4 customer this week. > Please include any technical info, such as anycast (or other) use for > discovery, and anything else you think relevant, e.g., platform... We're transferring from a 4500 to a 7200, both running the latest Cisco IPv6 EFT image. They're located in San Jose, CA. -- Paul Aitken IPv6 Development, Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. EH6 6LX From cschuerger@pssconsulting.com Fri Aug 24 21:58:10 2001 From: cschuerger@pssconsulting.com (Chris Schuerger) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:58:10 -0400 Subject: Lurker wants to get involved - but how best to get started? In-Reply-To: <3B8684C2.3030006@ubasics.com> Message-ID: <002e01c12cdf$7c0ed300$75261941@pssconsulting.com> Adam, >From what I have read, one of the upcoming builds of XP will include a beta version of IPV6. Here is a link to the Microsoft IPV6 'Technology Preview' for windows 2000 http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6.asp#about I am not sure if it will work with XP, but the setup on windows 2000 was pretty straight forward. Unpack the file, and add the protocol from your networking properties, bind it to an adapter (by checking the checkbox) and you are ready to roll. It also adds some neat utilities; ping6, tracert6, and (I think) a 6to4 gateway. I haven't gotten further than installing the protocol and pinging my IPV6 address...but that download should give you everything you need. -Chris Schuerger -----Original Message----- From: owner-6bone@ISI.EDU [mailto:owner-6bone@ISI.EDU] On Behalf Of M. Adam Davis Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:46 PM To: 6bone@ISI.EDU Subject: Lurker wants to get involved - but how best to get started? I've been lurking here for some time, but now want to put a bit of effort into doing ipv6. Currently I'm running Windows XP (build 2505 right now), and would like to start by just making this machine run it. My understanding is that I'll need to set it up to route ipv6 messages to a gatway/tunnel/router somewhere else. If I cannot do it with this machine, I could set up a freeBSD box and follow the instructions at kame, but I'd like to see what's available for this system if possible. Thanks for your time! I realize this isn't the best list to ask this question, but I'd appreciate any pointers to the right sites and lists. -Adam From michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us Fri Aug 24 22:32:04 2001 From: michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us (Michel Py) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:32:04 -0700 Subject: 6to4 relay router survey Message-ID: <2B81403386729140A3A899A8B39B046403AD61@server2000.arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> I have both a BGP feed from my pTLA and a static route to ::/0 with a high administrative distance to someone else's 6to4 relay. The reasoning is: If egress traffic ends up matching the default route, it is likely that there is something wrong with my BGP feed and then I'd rather not go in the tunnel to my pTLA because it might be the reason there is something wrong with my BGP feed. Poor man's multihoming for egress traffic. Router is Cisco 2611 12.2(T1), never tried anycast. Michel. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Fink [mailto:fink@es.net] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:13 PM To: 6BONE List Subject: 6to4 relay router survey 6bone Folk, I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. Please include any technical info, such as anycast (or other) use for discovery, and anything else you think relevant, e.g., platform... If you would rather reply directly to me, please do. The list is fine too. My purpose is both for 6bone-wide deployment planning, so we can get as much experience as possible, and for purposes of ngtrans transition planning. Thanks, Bob From pekkas@netcore.fi Fri Aug 24 23:56:20 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:56:20 +0300 (EEST) Subject: 6to4 relay router survey In-Reply-To: <3B86B01F.DF5A333C@cisco.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Paul Aitken wrote: > Bob Fink wrote: > > > > 6bone Folk, > > > > I would like to find out how many of you are deploying/using 6to4 relay > > routers at this time. Also, whether you plan to in the future. > > Cisco has been successfully operating a 6to4 relay for some time, and we > plan to continue offering this service for the foreseeable future. > Feedback from customers has been positive, although we have more > customers with fully configured tunnels than 6to4 customers - I've > configured five new fully configured tunnels and only one 6to4 customer > this week. Excuse me.. how do you measure a "6to4 customer"? By definition there has to be no prior configuration. (And when I tested 6to4 relay functionality in Cisco IOS 12.2(2)T, it wasn't possible to restrict users by access lists either). Also, speaking of customers, as a general 6to4 management issue..: I sure would be interested of nice ways to accomplish either: 1) monitoring the usage, getting user counts etc. statistics that are much more easily available with configured tunnel/native customers 2) test suite for verifying relay functionality, so that the relay can be fixed ASAP or removed from BGP/IGP announcements if failing. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From paitken@cisco.com Sat Aug 25 00:17:27 2001 From: paitken@cisco.com (Paul Aitken) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:17:27 +0100 Subject: 6to4 relay router survey References: Message-ID: <3B86E087.95973E01@cisco.com> Pekka Savola wrote: > > Excuse me.. how do you measure a "6to4 customer"? Our 6to4 service is "by request", and folks do actually have the courtesy to contact us at ipv6-support@cisco.com before presuming to use our relay. > Also, speaking of customers, as a general 6to4 management issue..: > > I sure would be interested of nice ways to accomplish either: > > 1) monitoring the usage, getting user counts etc. statistics that are > much more easily available with configured tunnel/native customers > > 2) test suite for verifying relay functionality, so that the relay can be > fixed ASAP or removed from BGP/IGP announcements if failing. Thanks. I'll forward your request to the IPv6 Product Manager. -- Paul Aitken IPv6 Development, Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. EH6 6LX From pekkas@netcore.fi Sat Aug 25 08:00:06 2001 From: pekkas@netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:00:06 +0300 (EEST) Subject: 6to4 relay router survey In-Reply-To: <3B86E087.95973E01@cisco.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Paul Aitken wrote: > Pekka Savola wrote: > > > > Excuse me.. how do you measure a "6to4 customer"? > > Our 6to4 service is "by request", and folks do actually have the > courtesy to contact us at ipv6-support@cisco.com before presuming to use > our relay. That only shows the customers that configure their systems to use your relay. As you advertise the 2002::/16 to the Internet, there are a _lot_ of people just using the closest relay with 2001::/16 -> 2002::/16 traffic. How widespread this use is, would be equally interesting, at least to me. (ie: does the BGP announcement policy appear to work as it should). -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From paitken@cisco.com Sat Aug 25 14:44:56 2001 From: paitken@cisco.com (Paul Aitken) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:44:56 +0100 Subject: 6to4 relay router survey References: Message-ID: <3B87ABD8.628F3269@cisco.com> Pekka Savola wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Paul Aitken wrote: > > Pekka Savola wrote: > > > > > > Excuse me.. how do you measure a "6to4 customer"? > > > > Our 6to4 service is "by request", and folks do actually have the > > courtesy to contact us at ipv6-support@cisco.com before presuming to use > > our relay. > > That only shows the customers that configure their systems to use your > relay. > > As you advertise the 2002::/16 to the Internet, there are a _lot_ of > people just using the closest relay with 2001::/16 -> 2002::/16 traffic. Sure, I appreciate that. I was trying to provide an insight from my feel for fully configured tunnel usage against 6to4 usage. The fact is that our 6to4 traffic constitues only 7% of our outbound packets, and some 24% of our outbound bytes. Even if I discount four configured tunnels with excessive packets (between them contributing 60% of our packets and 39% of our bytes), the 6to4 figures are 17% packets and 39% bytes. So however you look at it, the 6to4 traffic is still only a small fraction of the overall traffic. -- Paul Aitken IPv6 Development, Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. EH6 6LX From info@caladan.net Mon Aug 27 12:57:13 2001 From: info@caladan.net (info@caladan.net) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:57:13 +0100 Subject: IPv6 Peering Request Message-ID: <200108271159.f7RBxAU10982@usul.caladan.net> Hi, To anyone who is interested, we are looking for IPv6 peers. We can do native IPv6 connectivity within Telehouse, London, England. Or IPv6 in IPv4 tunnels. Our ASN is 20834 Our network is 3ffe:8270::/28 Regards, Chris From micklesc@aol.net Wed Aug 29 19:51:33 2001 From: micklesc@aol.net (Cleve Mickles) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:51:33 -0400 Subject: 6BONE Web Content In-Reply-To: <20010823130243.I73312-100000@lucjusz.bimar.pl> Message-ID: I'm curious to know if there are any interesting IPv6 web content sites out there reacheable via the 6bone? If anyone has some URL pointers please send me a few. Thanks, Cleve... ==================================== Cleve Mickles Network Architect America Online, Network Operations ==================================== From mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca Thu Aug 30 00:12:01 2001 From: mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Michael Richardson) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:12:01 -0400 Subject: 6BONE Web Content In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:51:33 EDT." Message-ID: <200108292312.f7TNC1Q16728@marajade.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> www.kame.net has a dancing turtle if you get there via V6. ] ON HUMILITY: to err is human. To moo, bovine. | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another NetBSD/notebook using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ From lazy@bsdbox.org Thu Aug 30 01:21:23 2001 From: lazy@bsdbox.org (lazy) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:21:23 -0400 Subject: 6BONE Web Content References: Message-ID: <3B8D8703.97E81280@bsdbox.org> http://hs247.com/ has a good list of IPv6 acessible servers, and IPv6 related information. I suppose they count as a IPv6 website since they do have AAAA records. :) Cleve Mickles wrote: > > I'm curious to know if there are any > interesting IPv6 web content sites > out there reacheable via the 6bone? > If anyone has some URL pointers > please send me a few. > > Thanks, > > Cleve... > > ==================================== > Cleve Mickles > Network Architect > America Online, Network Operations > ==================================== -- ..:: Friends don't let friends drink and rm -rf PGP: http://packetjunkie.net/ascii/lazy-rsa.asc Web: [ packetjunkie.net bsdbox.org ] From alanp@boredom.org Thu Aug 30 06:35:54 2001 From: alanp@boredom.org (Alan P. Laudicina) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:35:54 -0400 Subject: IPv6 accessible httpd servers Message-ID: <20010830013554.A11413@boredom.org> Someone from AOL was looking for a list of httpds that are WWW accessible. Well, I deleted the message, so I can't reply, but a list can be found at: http://www.ipv6.org/v6-www.html I have found that some of these don't work, though. Thanks, Alan P. Laudicina From psb@ast.cam.ac.uk Thu Aug 30 08:26:06 2001 From: psb@ast.cam.ac.uk (Peter Bunclark) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:26:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: 6BONE Web Content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Cleve Mickles wrote: > > I'm curious to know if there are any > interesting IPv6 web content sites > out there reacheable via the 6bone? > If anyone has some URL pointers > please send me a few. Not really all that interesting, but we're proud of it: http://www.ast.ipv6.cam.ac.uk Pete. From peter.hovell@bt.com Thu Aug 30 08:28:14 2001 From: peter.hovell@bt.com (peter.hovell@bt.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:28:14 +0100 Subject: 6BONE Web Content Message-ID: Also try www.ipv6forum.com that has a v6 version with spinning globe. Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: lazy [mailto:lazy@bsdbox.org] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:21 AM To: micklesc@aol.net Cc: 6bone@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: 6BONE Web Content http://hs247.com/ has a good list of IPv6 acessible servers, and IPv6 related information. I suppose they count as a IPv6 website since they do have AAAA records. :) Cleve Mickles wrote: > > I'm curious to know if there are any > interesting IPv6 web content sites > out there reacheable via the 6bone? > If anyone has some URL pointers > please send me a few. > > Thanks, > > Cleve... > > ==================================== > Cleve Mickles > Network Architect > America Online, Network Operations > ==================================== -- ..:: Friends don't let friends drink and rm -rf PGP: http://packetjunkie.net/ascii/lazy-rsa.asc Web: [ packetjunkie.net bsdbox.org ] From Jan Oravec Thu Aug 30 09:56:48 2001 From: Jan Oravec (Jan Oravec) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:56:48 +0200 Subject: 6bone whois db and mnt-lower Message-ID: <20010830105648.A96035@ipv6.isternet.sk> Hi, Is mnt-lower attribute implemented on whois.6bone.net ? I created this record: inet6num: 3FFE:80ED::/32 netname: XS26-NOC descr: XS26 NOC country: DE HU SK admin-c: JO-6BONE tech-c: JO-6BONE mnt-by: NEXTRA-MNT mnt-lower: NEXTRA-MNT changed: wsx@wsx6.net 20010830 source: 6BONE Then I tried to create object 3ffe:80ed:ffff::/48 with some other mnt-by: inet6num: 3FFE:80ED:FFFF::/48 netname: XS26-NOC-test descr: XS26 NOC test country: SK admin-c: JO-6BONE tech-c: JO-6BONE mnt-by: JO-6BONE password: --- changed: wsx@wsx6.net 20010830 source: 6BONE And the result: New OK: [inet6num] 3FFE:80ED:FFFF::/48 RIPE223 says: 'The "mnt-lower:" attribute is used to reference a mntner that authorises the creation of more specific inetnum or inet6num objects.' Regards, Jan From feico@pasta.cs.uit.no Thu Aug 30 10:53:19 2001 From: feico@pasta.cs.uit.no (Feico Dillema) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:53:19 +0200 Subject: 6BONE Web Content In-Reply-To: ; from micklesc@aol.net on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:51:33PM -0400 References: <20010823130243.I73312-100000@lucjusz.bimar.pl> Message-ID: <20010830115317.B4004@pasta.cs.uit.no> On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:51:33PM -0400, Cleve Mickles wrote: > > I'm curious to know if there are any > interesting IPv6 web content sites > out there reacheable via the 6bone? > If anyone has some URL pointers > please send me a few. Our server is on the 6bone, and amongst others mirrors www.netbsd.org and www.freebsd.org. See for overview: http://www.pasta.cs.uit.no/Pasta/virtual.html Feico. From Marc.Blanchet@viagenie.qc.ca Thu Aug 30 14:21:19 2001 From: Marc.Blanchet@viagenie.qc.ca (Marc Blanchet) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:21:19 -0400 Subject: 6BONE Web Content In-Reply-To: References: <20010823130243.I73312-100000@lucjusz.bimar.pl> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20010830091955.049a9840@127.0.0.1> http://www.6bone.net http://www.normos.org http://www.ipv6forum.com and someone started a list a while ago (http://www.ipv6.org/v6-www.html), but I don't know if it is current. in some ways, later one, there will be no way to find the list of ipv6 web sites! Marc. At/À 14:51 2001-08-29 -0400, Cleve Mickles you wrote/vous écriviez: >I'm curious to know if there are any >interesting IPv6 web content sites >out there reacheable via the 6bone? >If anyone has some URL pointers >please send me a few. > > >Thanks, > >Cleve... > >==================================== >Cleve Mickles >Network Architect >America Online, Network Operations >==================================== From Sascha 'sb' Bielski" References: <3B8D8703.97E81280@bsdbox.org> Message-ID: <1981216716515.20010830161536@rdns.de> Dear lazy, On Donnerstag, 30. August 2001 at 02:21 you wrote: l> http://hs247.com/ has a good list of IPv6 l> acessible servers, and IPv6 related information. l> I suppose they count as a IPv6 website since l> they do have AAAA records. :) sure it is ipv6 capable. if anyone has problems connecting to it please tell me, i'm the site hoster. -- best regards, Sascha 'sb' Bielski mailto:sb@rdns.de rdns.de admin team xs26.net German Coordination phone: +49 (0) 174 / 432 93 76 email: sb@rdns.de From brad@anduin.eldar.org Thu Aug 30 19:28:08 2001 From: brad@anduin.eldar.org (Brad Spencer) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 6BONE Web Content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200108301828.OAA08983@anduin.eldar.org> I'm curious to know if there are any interesting IPv6 web content sites out there reacheable via the 6bone? If anyone has some URL pointers please send me a few. Thanks, Cleve... ==================================== Cleve Mickles Network Architect America Online, Network Operations ==================================== It isn't vast, but you can try: http://anduin.ipv6.eldar.org Brad Spencer - brad@anduin.eldar.org http://anduin.eldar.org - & - http://anduin.ipv6.eldar.org [IPv6 only] [finger brad@anduin.eldar.org for PGP public key] From john@sixgirls.org Thu Aug 30 20:40:12 2001 From: john@sixgirls.org (John Klos) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 6BONE Web Content In-Reply-To: <1981216716515.20010830161536@rdns.de> Message-ID: I don't remeber this being mentioned, but all of the main services and servers for NetBSD are all running IPv6: http://www.netbsd.org/ John Klos