can we move on John has cleared up the issue. we are beating a dead horse. p.s. John the place to ask market and readiness questions for IPv6 is on the IPv6 forum list. members@ipv6forum.com or the IPv6 deployment list deployment@ipv6.org... I will respond to your questions in private when I can find the time as they are not just off the top of my head responses and very serious and worthwhile questions. /jim