From mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl Mon Mar 2 08:02:49 1998 From: mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl (Mike Crawfurd) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:02:49 +0100 Subject: IPv6 Integration References: <19980227162210.21369.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <34FA67A9.99FC1CAC@cmg.nl> Anthony Funkhouse wrote: > > Good Afternoon, > I just recently started researching IPv6 and I am having difficulties > finding any halfway descent information on this topic. If anyone can > help me in locating any whitepapers or information I would appreciate > it. Thank you and have a great weekend. Hi there, I'm also researching IPv6 integration for my study. You can find various documentation on the following site(s) : A good white paper : http://www.baynetworks.com/Products/Routers/Protocols/2789.html A white paper from FTP software : http://www.ftp.com/product/whitepapers/ipv6.html There are ofcourse many RFC's and Drafts available on the web, which you can find on ds.internic.net/rfc and ds.internic.net/internet-drafts. A few good starting points are : http://www.ewos.be/coexist/etg071/gintrod.htm http://www.cs-ipv6.lancs.ac.uk/ http://www.6bone.net http://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html/ipng-main.html I hope I've answered your question. Greetz, Mike. > Tony From EichhoMM@ForteSystems.COM Mon Mar 2 11:20:15 1998 From: EichhoMM@ForteSystems.COM (Eichhorn, Michele M.) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:20:15 -0500 Subject: IPv6 Integration Message-ID: <60C450160AE2D011AA5000A0C93C8DB067025A@FSIHQMMS> Anthony, There are four books available re IPv6. The three that deal with implementation and the protocol itself are: * IPv6, The New Internet Protocol, Christian Huitema. This book was interesting as Dr. Huitema was there at the beginning and gives a lot of insight into the history of its development. * IPng and the TCP/IP Protocols, Implementing the Next Generation Internet, Stephen A. Thomas. Really gets into the nuts and bolts, however, some changes have occurred since its release. Really good description of real-time support. * Implementing IPv6, Migrating to the Next Generation Internet Protocols, Mark Miller. This is the newest of the bunch (1998) therefore more up-to-date. Comprehensive as well. It may be tough to find as I'm not sure its available yet. I think our library got an early release but it should be out very soon. The book comes with a CD-ROM which includes transition mechanisms and strategies as well as the RFCs. By the way, the RFCs are really very interesting. There are links within the 6bone home page. * Network World had a good article last year. (www.nwfusion.com) You should be able to do a search to find it. > * http://techweb.cmp.com/nc/901/901colmoskowitz.html Another > article, more recent, enumerates some reasons to start dedicating > resources to IPv6. * www.techweb.com (search IPv6) will give you about 50+ articles on the subject. There is a link there to AltaVista search, however, it generates something like 7500 hits (too much) Hope this helps. Michele > ---------- > From: Anthony Funkhouse[SMTP:tofunk@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 11:22 AM > To: 6bone@ISI.EDU > Subject: IPv6 Integration > > Good Afternoon, > I just recently started researching IPv6 and I am having difficulties > finding any halfway descent information on this topic. If anyone can > help me in locating any whitepapers or information I would appreciate > it. Thank you and have a great weekend. > > Tony > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl Mon Mar 2 13:13:51 1998 From: mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl (Mike Crawfurd) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 14:13:51 +0100 Subject: Proxy Message-ID: <34FAB08F.16912C7C@cmg.nl> Hi all, I'm new to this mailinglist, and I have a little question. I'm studying computerscience in the Netherlands and my essay is about the migration between IPv4 and IPv6. I currently work for CMG Rotterdam, but connection to the Internet is only possible by using a proxy. Is it possible for me to join the 6bone using a proxy, or do I need to dail-in to connect to the 6bone ? I know the DNS has to be IPv6 compatible, but I don't know if it's essential for use. Excuse me if this is a really stupid question :) Thanks in advance, Mike. -- Mike Crawfurd CMG Advanced Technologies Industries Kralingseweg 241 3062 CE Rotterdam The Netherlands Telephone. (+31) 10 253 7000 Telefax. (+31) 10 253 7033 Email. mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl From bobv@sbm.com Mon Mar 2 13:35:22 1998 From: bobv@sbm.com (Bob Vance) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:35:22 -0500 Subject: Fw: IPv6 Integration Message-ID: <000a01bd45e0$0e584a60$1d9ab326@bobvh.sbm.com> Nice book: Implementing IPv6: Migrating to the Next Internet Protocol by Mark Miller Can find at various online book locations. ----------------------------------------------- Tks | bobvance@sbm.com BV | bobvance@alumni.caltech.edu =============================================== -----Original Message----- From: Mike Crawfurd To: 6bone@ISI.EDU <6bone@ISI.EDU> Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 6:53 AM Subject: Re: IPv6 Integration Anthony Funkhouse wrote: > > Good Afternoon, > I just recently started researching IPv6 and I am having difficulties > finding any halfway descent information on this topic. If anyone can > help me in locating any whitepapers or information I would appreciate > it. Thank you and have a great weekend. From bound@zk3.dec.com Mon Mar 2 14:14:03 1998 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:14:03 -0500 Subject: IPv6 Integration In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:20:15 EST." <60C450160AE2D011AA5000A0C93C8DB067025A@FSIHQMMS> Message-ID: <199803021414.AA20277@wasted.zk3.dec.com> christian's books has a second edition.... /jim From mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl Tue Mar 3 08:19:15 1998 From: mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl (Mike Crawfurd) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:19:15 +0100 Subject: Proxy References: <3.0.5.32.19980302225003.007f34d0@penelope.et.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <34FBBD03.A9C61FEB@cmg.nl> Hi all, Peter Bieringer wrote: > For connection to the 6bone you need a tunnelendpoint with a globally IPv4 > address. > Because of IPv4 transfer is different to IPv6 transfer, either your proxy can > handle IPv6-in-IPv4 packets and sends them to your tunnel endpoint, or is > the tunnelendpoint itself. So basicly I need a server connected directly to the Internet. I have a server in America (which is currently offline due to Harddisk failure), running FreeBSD. > Dial-in doesn't really help you, because you have to set up a tunnel > through the dial-up line. It will only work, if you have one tunnel > endpoint outside (at a friend), and one inside your network and tunnel by > IPv4 dial-up between them (if your dial-up to outside is with dynamic > allocated IPv4 addresses, I have a solution for Linux to solve this problem). I could create a tunnel between my home and my server in America, but won't my dail-in ISP interfere with the tunnel ? My dail-in ISP doesn't use a firewall and/or proxy. My server (in America) has 32 IP adresses, and I'll try to get one from my dail-in ISP. > But that's not the way your sysad want to honour. A better way is if your > sysad let one of a free IPv4 address through the firewall proxy into your > net for a tunnel endpoint. But tunneling is also a security hole... True, I try to confince my system administrator, or try to find an alternative. > >I know the DNS has to be IPv6 compatible, but I don't know if it's > >essential for use. > DNS isn't really necessary for a simple tunnel. And sometimes in the > future, when DNS transfers will also go over IPv6, it's no problem. > > >Excuse me if this is a really stupid question :) > Only answers can be stupid, hope, my isn't it :-) I'm trying to learn from my mistakes, but that probably means that I have to make mistakes to learn :-) > Peter Thanks all, Mike. "Life is just another process that can be killed" - Mike Crawfurd -- Mike Crawfurd CMG Advanced Technologies Industries Kralingseweg 241 3062 CE Rotterdam The Netherlands Telephone. (+31) 10 253 7000 Telefax. (+31) 10 253 7033 Email. mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl From PAUL.V.MAGGITTI@cdev.com Wed Mar 4 15:44:55 1998 From: PAUL.V.MAGGITTI@cdev.com (Paul V Maggitti) Date: 04 Mar 1998 09:44:55 -0600 Subject: Companies Implementing IPv6? Message-ID: <"015CF34FD76F7125*/c=us/admd= /prmd=ceridian/o=cdev/ou=cc-lan/ou=cchsgate/s=MAGGITTI/g=PAUL/i=V/"@MHS> I am a systems engineer working research and development for General Dynamics Information Systems. My company is just starting a lab environment to implement IPv6. Our lab started out with a Windows NT 4.0 server, laptops and Pentium machines. My first task was to find out which companies produce IPv6 products. I started out using the "IPng Implementations" list at http://playground.sun.com/ipng/ipng-implementations.2.html I attempted to contact each of the host and router implementations listed there. I got some kind of response from (routers) Cisco Systems, Hitachi, Ipsilon Networks, and Telebit; as well as (hosts) Digital, Epilogue, Process Software, Silicon Graphics, and Sun. What I need to find out is which products are "best" to select/purchase for our new lab. Our R&D is based upon the following task statement (number 1 of 8): "Mobile backbone that can support multimedia. Survey what is state of the art. What exists now on IPv6 that can support mobile IP? RSVP? Investigate relationships of OSI seven layer model and mobile backbone to support multimedia. What is role of ATM? Are products available? What is the cost? Report." I'd appreciate any advice on how to start: what routers, what work stations, etc. Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. Paul Maggitti paul.v.maggitti@gd-is.com General Dynamics Information Systems 8800 Queen Avenue South, M/S BLCS2X Bloomington, MN 55431 (612) 921-6885/(612) 830-5100 (fax) From Vince_Grimaldi@BayNetworks.COM Wed Mar 4 16:31:52 1998 From: Vince_Grimaldi@BayNetworks.COM (Vince Grimaldi) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:31:52 -0800 Subject: Companies Implementing IPv6? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980304083150.0077edb4@sc-mail2.corpwest.baynetworks.com> Pual, you may wish to look into FTP Software's implementation as well. The have a software package for Windows95. Take a look at there web page. The software package is "OnNet32" version 3.0. They are working on a version that is in beta now. This version includes IPSEC, and other security features. Hope this helps, At 09:44 AM 3/4/98 -0600, you wrote: > > > I am a systems engineer working research and development for General > Dynamics Information Systems. My company is just starting a lab > environment to implement IPv6. Our lab started out with a Windows NT 4.0 > server, laptops and Pentium machines. My first task was to find out > which companies produce IPv6 products. > > I started out using the "IPng Implementations" list at > > http://playground.sun.com/ipng/ipng-implementations.2.html > > I attempted to contact each of the host and router implementations listed > there. I got some kind of response from (routers) Cisco Systems, Hitachi, > Ipsilon Networks, and Telebit; as well as (hosts) Digital, Epilogue, > Process Software, Silicon Graphics, and Sun. > > What I need to find out is which products are "best" to select/purchase > for our new lab. Our R&D is based upon the following task statement > (number 1 of 8): > > "Mobile backbone that can support multimedia. Survey what is state of > the art. What exists now on IPv6 that can support mobile IP? RSVP? > Investigate relationships of OSI seven layer model and mobile backbone to > support multimedia. What is role of ATM? Are products available? What > is the cost? Report." > > I'd appreciate any advice on how to start: what routers, what work > stations, etc. > > Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. > > Paul Maggitti > > paul.v.maggitti@gd-is.com > General Dynamics Information Systems > 8800 Queen Avenue South, M/S BLCS2X > Bloomington, MN 55431 > (612) 921-6885/(612) 830-5100 (fax) > Vince Grimaldi Bay Networks Corporate Systems Engineer From Aad.van.der.Zanden@nc3a.nato.int Thu Mar 5 07:21:16 1998 From: Aad.van.der.Zanden@nc3a.nato.int (Aad van der Zanden) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 08:21:16 +0100 Subject: Companies Implementing IPv6? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980305082113.00a18320@mail.nc3a.nato.int> At 08:31 AM 3/4/98 -0800, Vince Grimaldi wrote: >Pual, > you may wish to look into FTP Software's implementation as well. The have >a software package for Windows95. Take a look at there web page. The >software package is "OnNet32" version 3.0. They are working on a version >that is in beta now. This version includes IPSEC, and other security >features. > Paul and others Let me try to save you from the frustration I experienced It seems to be a low priority for FTP software to supply or support IPv6 . I have been pulling my hair out after trying to reach Chip sparling from FTP software( IPv6 product manager) . I believe some 6bone members confirmed that FTP has put IPv6 on a low Priority. We had even bought a couple of sets of the product ( Onnet32 ) and it was no good on our tests. Although I did see some people had some luck in getting it to work partially. Unless people can state clearly to me I am wrong ( some proof would be even more convincing), I think a lot of people share my opinion . This is based on the earlier responses I got from the 6bone mailing list when I was desperately asking 6bone people to help me on this product.(4 nov 97) So don't say I did not warn you. Regards Aad >Hope this helps, > > >At 09:44 AM 3/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >> I am a systems engineer working research and development for General >> Dynamics Information Systems. My company is just starting a lab >> environment to implement IPv6. Our lab started out with a Windows NT 4.0 >> server, laptops and Pentium machines. My first task was to find out >> which companies produce IPv6 products. >> >> I started out using the "IPng Implementations" list at >> >> http://playground.sun.com/ipng/ipng-implementations.2.html >> >> I attempted to contact each of the host and router implementations listed >> there. I got some kind of response from (routers) Cisco Systems, Hitachi, >> Ipsilon Networks, and Telebit; as well as (hosts) Digital, Epilogue, >> Process Software, Silicon Graphics, and Sun. >> >> What I need to find out is which products are "best" to select/purchase >> for our new lab. Our R&D is based upon the following task statement >> (number 1 of 8): >> >> "Mobile backbone that can support multimedia. Survey what is state of >> the art. What exists now on IPv6 that can support mobile IP? RSVP? >> Investigate relationships of OSI seven layer model and mobile backbone to >> support multimedia. What is role of ATM? Are products available? What >> is the cost? Report." >> >> I'd appreciate any advice on how to start: what routers, what work >> stations, etc. >> >> Thank you in advance for your time and assistance. >> >> Paul Maggitti >> >> paul.v.maggitti@gd-is.com >> General Dynamics Information Systems >> 8800 Queen Avenue South, M/S BLCS2X >> Bloomington, MN 55431 >> (612) 921-6885/(612) 830-5100 (fax) >> >Vince Grimaldi >Bay Networks >Corporate Systems Engineer > > ==================================================================== // Aad van der Zanden. | POSTAL ADDRESS: // Communications Systems Division // NATO C3 Agency | NATO C3 Agency // Email : Aad.van.der.Zanden@nc3a.nato.int | P.O. BOX 174 // Phone : +31 (0)70 3142440 | 2501 CD The Hague // Fax : +31 (0)70 3142176 | The Netherlands ==================================================================== From mdp@tbit.dk Thu Mar 5 09:51:06 1998 From: mdp@tbit.dk (Martin D. Peck) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:51:06 +0100 Subject: Companies Implementing IPv6? References: <"015CF34FD76F7125*/c=us/admd= /prmd=ceridian/o=cdev/ou=cc-lan/ou=cchsgate/s=MAGGITTI/g=PAUL/i=V/"@MHS> Message-ID: <34FE7589.FCC90397@tbit.dk> Hi Paul, Paul V Maggitti wrote: > Our R&D is based upon the following task statement > (number 1 of 8): > > "Mobile backbone that can support multimedia. Survey what is state of > the art. What exists now on IPv6 that can support mobile IP? RSVP? > Investigate relationships of OSI seven layer model and mobile backbone to > support multimedia. What is role of ATM? Are products available? What > is the cost? Report." > > I'd appreciate any advice on how to start: what routers, what work > stations, etc. You make like to take a look at: http://www.eurescom.de/~public-webspace/p700-series/P702/html/brochure.htm This project, sponsored by Eurescom, investigates many of the issues you raise. It uses an IPv6 video application supporting IPv6 mobility, RSVP for IPv6 and non zero assigned flow labels. It runs on a native IPv6 over ATM network and encorporates possibilities to use other trunking technologies such as ISDN and Frame Relay. The idea is that the user can select a CoS/QoS that fits the remote application's bandwidth requirements. The hosts use Francis Dupont's FreeBSD, the application has been developed by the University of Lancaster, and the routers come from Telebit.. We'll be making a demo of this set up at CBIT in Hannover, Germany later this month if per chance you should be over in Europe, /Martin TELEBIT Communications A/S http://www.tbit.dk/ From seb_col@yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 10:03:09 1998 From: seb_col@yahoo.com (Sébastien Col) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 02:03:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: ftp software / IPv6 implementation Message-ID: <19980305100309.44.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Hi, I have just read the last messages from the mailing list, and as a new user of this IPng, I have some questions for you. 1) I have 2 Win95 PCs, connected via a Switch. I have installed the ftp software on each PC, with the ftp software's IPv6 stack. 2) When I tried to configure my 2 PCs, I can only enter IPv4 adresses. (option: network configuration, TCP/IP configuration) Even if I have checked the 'IPv6 enable' option. I am missing something? Do I need to configure other things like an IPv6 DNS, or an IPv6 routeur? I would appreciate any help. I thing that a lot of people here are making their own tests, so do not hesitate to answer to the list, so that everyone can see the help you have provided. Sébastien Colombier Ingenior Student Paris, FRANCE PS: Please everyone here, excuse my bad english, this is not my mother tong! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From pcurran@ticl.co.uk Thu Mar 5 11:13:25 1998 From: pcurran@ticl.co.uk (Peter Curran) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 11:13:25 +0000 Subject: ftp software / IPv6 implementation In-Reply-To: <19980305100309.44.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <199803051108.LAA08147@gate.ticl.co.uk> Sebastien I think you may have missed a couple of important points about IPv6....... >I have just read the last messages from the mailing list, and as a new >user of this IPng, I have some questions for you. > >1) I have 2 Win95 PCs, connected via a Switch. >I have installed the ftp software on each PC, with the ftp software's >IPv6 stack. > >2) When I tried to configure my 2 PCs, I can only enter IPv4 adresses. >(option: network configuration, TCP/IP configuration) >Even if I have checked the 'IPv6 enable' option. > > I am missing something? This sounds pretty reasonable. What IPv6 gives us is the ability to switch on a host and have it configure itself automatically with all of its addressing information. You do not need to do anything. If you do not have an IPv6 router on your network, then your hosts will end up with link-local addresses only. They should be able to talk to each other but you will need to find the IPv6 addresses of the two machines to do this. (Can't help you here as I do not know about the FTP software). >Do I need to configure other things like an IPv6 DNS, or an IPv6 >routeur? > Ultimately, to make use of this stuff then the answer is yes. However, you should be able to get something to work without this at first. If you want to connect to the 6bone then you will need a 'router' and a DNS server. > I would appreciate any help. > Can I suggest that you 'read-in' to the subject some more. Apart from the RFC's (some of which are quite readable, others impenetrable to the uninitiated) I strongly recommend "IPv6 The new Internet Protocol, 2nd Edition" by Christian Huitema. Cheers Peter Curran TICL From labovit@merit.edu Mon Mar 9 16:53:00 1998 From: labovit@merit.edu (Craig Labovitz) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:53:00 -0500 Subject: 6Bone Daily Email Routing Reports Message-ID: <199803091653.LAA24244@merit.edu> Hi, Just for those who might be interested --- we have created a daily routing table/instability email report for the 6Bone. This report is fairly similar to the reports we have been generating for the commodity IPv4 backbone. To subscribe, send email to 6bone-routing-report-request@merit.edu. - Craig ------- Forwarded Message Subject: 03/05/98 6Bone Routing Report To: 6bone-routing-report@merit.edu From: owner-6bone-routing-report@merit.edu See http://www.merit.edu/ipma for a more detailed report on routing problems and recommendations on ways service providers can limit the spread of invalid routing information. Send comments and questions to ipma-support@merit.edu To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to 6bone-routing-report-request@merit.edu. A hypermail archive is available at http://www.merit.net/mail.archives/html/6bone-routing-report/ Also see http://www.caida.org for more information about Internet statistics collection research efforts. ---------------------------------------------- This report is for 03/05/98. ---------------------------------------------- Size of 6Bone Routing Table: Max = 122, Min = 108, Average = 117 46 Unique Autonomous System (AS) numbers BGP4+ Traffic Summary: Announcements=40579 Withdraws=1896 Unique Routes=130 Poorly Aggregated Announcements: -------------------------------- 10:50:48 3ffe:2c00:0:ffff::4/127 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 14:54:52 3ffe:2c00:0:ffff::6/127 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 21:59:35 5f02:3000:c020:ae00:201d::/80 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 23:00:10 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:10/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 23:00:13 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:20/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 23:00:12 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:11/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 10:43:08 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:c/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 10:42:56 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:21/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 21:59:35 5f02:3000:c020:ae00:b180::/80 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 23:00:12 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:d/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 23:00:10 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:14/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 07:48:51 3ffe:1001:1:ffff::1/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 23:00:11 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:24/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 23:00:12 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:15/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 14:54:52 3ffe:2c00:0:ffff::/127 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 23:00:13 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:25/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 14:54:52 3ffe:2c00:0:0:10::/80 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 23:00:13 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:18/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 10:42:56 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:19/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 00:00:43 3ffe:600:8000::10/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 18:04:46 3ffe:600:8000::12/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 23:00:10 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:1/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 10:42:58 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:4/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 14:54:27 3ffe:1001:1:ffff::/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 23:00:13 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:1c/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 10:42:56 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:1d/126 from 3ffe:900:0:3::1 (1225) 23:00:11 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:5/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 14:54:26 3ffe:c00:8004:1::/80 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 14:54:52 3ffe:2c00:0:0:1::/80 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 18:10:58 3ffe:2c00:0:0:2::/80 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 23:00:12 3ffe:1500::fffe:0:0:9/126 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 14:54:52 3ffe:2c00::/80 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) 14:54:52 3ffe:2c00:0:ffff::2/127 from 3ffe:1c00:0:60::153 (237) The top five most active prefixes: - ---------------------------------- 1. 3ffe:604:2::/48 had 7565 BGP+ Updates (517 unique aspaths) 1225 1275 559 5623 1717 1835 1849 786 1103 1891 1673 109 786 1849 1225 1275 559 5623 1717 1835 2839 1103 1891 1673 1225 1275 1717 1835 1103 1891 1673 1225 109 1849 5623 1717 1103 1891 1225 48 109 786 1849 1103 1891 1673 109 64512 1225 1849 1103 1891 1225 1849 1890 1103 1891 1673 109 48 1225 1275 1717 5623 1849 1103 1891 2607 1673 1225 1849 1835 1717 786 1103 1891 1673 109 1225 1275 559 5623 1717 1835 1103 1891 1225 109 1849 5623 1717 1103 1891 ...Truncated... 2. 3ffe:301:dec1::/48 had 6884 BGP+ Updates (442 unique aspaths) 1225 1275 559 5623 1717 1835 1849 786 1103 1891 1673 109 48 1225 1275 559 5623 1717 1835 1849 1103 1891 2607 1225 1275 1717 1103 1891 1673 1225 109 1849 5623 1717 1103 1891 1673 1225 1275 1717 1835 1103 1891 1225 48 109 786 1849 1103 1891 1673 109 1225 1275 559 5623 1717 786 1103 1891 1673 109 64512 1225 1849 1103 1891 1225 48 5609 2839 1835 1717 5623 1849 5539 3274 1103 1891 1225 109 1849 5539 1273 1835 1103 1891 1673 109 64512 1225 1275 1717 786 1849 1103 1891 ...Truncated... 3. 3ffe:600:8000::10/126 had 6264 BGP+ Updates (346 unique aspaths) 1225 109 786 1849 5539 1273 1835 2839 1103 1891 1718 1717 1225 1849 5609 2839 1103 1891 1718 1717 1673 109 1849 1225 1103 1891 1718 1717 1673 109 48 5609 1225 1275 559 5623 1849 1103 1891 1718 1717 1225 64512 109 1849 5539 1273 1835 1103 1891 1718 1717 1673 109 786 1849 5539 1273 1835 2839 1103 1891 1718 1717 1225 109 48 5609 2839 1835 1849 1103 1891 1718 1717 2607 1673 109 48 1225 1275 1103 1891 1718 1717 1673 109 1225 1849 786 1103 1891 1718 1717 1225 48 109 1849 3582 293 1103 1891 1718 1717 1225 48 5609 2839 1835 1849 1103 1891 1718 1717 2607 ...Truncated... 4. 3ffe:301:dec2::/48 had 5727 BGP+ Updates (410 unique aspaths) 1225 48 5609 1849 1835 1103 1891 1718 1221 1225 109 786 1849 3582 1103 1891 1718 1221 1673 109 1849 1835 1103 1891 1718 1221 1225 1275 1717 1835 1849 786 1103 1891 1718 1221 1225 1849 2839 1103 1891 1718 1221 1673 109 1849 3582 1225 1103 1891 1718 1221 1225 1849 1835 3263 1103 1891 1718 1221 1673 109 1225 1849 786 1717 1103 1891 1718 1221 1225 48 5609 2839 1103 1891 1718 1221 1673 1225 109 48 5609 2839 3263 1275 559 5623 1717 1835 1849 1103 1891 1718 1221 2607 1673 109 48 1225 1103 1891 1718 1221 ...Truncated... 5. 3ffe:1dec::/32 had 5726 BGP+ Updates (414 unique aspaths) 1673 109 1849 1225 1275 1103 1891 1718 1225 1275 1717 786 1849 3582 3274 5539 1273 1835 1103 1891 1718 1225 1275 1717 1835 1849 5609 2839 1103 1891 1718 1673 1225 109 1849 1835 1103 1891 1718 1225 48 109 786 1849 3582 1103 1891 1718 1225 1275 1717 786 1849 5609 2839 1835 1103 1891 1718 1225 1275 1717 1835 1849 3582 293 1103 1891 1718 1673 109 1225 48 5609 2839 1835 1849 1103 1891 1718 2607 1673 109 786 1849 3582 1225 1103 1891 1718 1225 1849 3582 3274 1103 1891 1718 1673 1225 109 786 1849 5539 1273 1835 1103 1891 1718 ...Truncated... ------- End of Forwarded Message -- Craig Labovitz labovit@merit.edu Merit Network, Inc. http://www.merit.edu/~labovit 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C. (313) 764-0252 (office) Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 (313) 647-3185 (fax) From roque@cisco.com Thu Mar 12 18:10:22 1998 From: roque@cisco.com (Pedro Marques) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:10:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: as 5609 Message-ID: <199803121810.KAA03636@pedrom-ultra.cisco.com> FYI: cisco is blocking all annoucements originating from as 5609 as this site is originating dozens of bogus routes. Pedro. From Y.Adamopoulos@noc.ntua.gr Fri Mar 13 02:17:25 1998 From: Y.Adamopoulos@noc.ntua.gr (Yiorgos Adamopoulos) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:17:25 +0200 Subject: assignment of pTLA ? Message-ID: <19980313041725.20111@noc.ntua.gr> Hi all, [ newbie mode on ... ] Maybe it's the local time ( Fri Mar 13 04:14:56 EET 1998 ;-) but although I've been through the 6bone.net contents, I cannot seem able to identify a document that defines how to ask for a pTLA (if this is possible). I'd be glad for any pointers, even flames. TIA, -- Yiorgos Adamopoulos -- #include mailto: Y.Adamopoulos@noc.ntua.gr -- Network Operations Center, NTUA, GREECE From rlfink@lbl.gov Fri Mar 13 15:18:43 1998 From: rlfink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:18:43 -0800 Subject: assignment of pTLA ? In-Reply-To: <19980313041725.20111@noc.ntua.gr> Message-ID: <1322348955-351505857@cnrmail.lbl.gov> Yiorgos, At 04:17 AM 3/13/98 +0200, Yiorgos Adamopoulos wrote: >Hi all, > >[ newbie mode on ... ] > >Maybe it's the local time ( Fri Mar 13 04:14:56 EET 1998 ;-) but although >I've been through the 6bone.net contents, I cannot seem able to identify a >document that defines how to ask for a pTLA (if this is possible). > >I'd be glad for any pointers, even flames. The nominal place to look is: http://www.6bone.net/6bone_hookup.html but I'll be the first to admit (and I wrote it) that it is not up to date, nor clear enough. I will attempt a cleanup soon. Meanwhile, I'm enclosing the recent email on pTLAs that I sent to the 6bone list. If you have any questions after reading it, please get in direct email contact with me so the list doesn't have to read it. Thanks, Bob === 6bone Folk, I am increasingly finding myself in the dilemma of being asked to assign a pTLA, and then having to decide what is/is not appropriate. This email is my attempt to get exposure of the issues and help in deciding an appropriate course of action in assigning pTLAs. Let me start by saying that the creation of pTLAs is getting morecontentious as some believe that we should not create them so easily. I'm also sure that all of us believe that we must start forging the 6bone backbone into a reliable transport for ipv6 use and testing. Having said that we (at least me) need to have some criteria for assigning pTLAs. I'll see if I can characterize the criteria I have been using lately. 1. Must have experience with IPv6 in the 6bone, at least as a leaf site and preferably as an NLA transit under a pTLA. 2. Must have the ability and intent to provide "production-like" 6bone backbone service to provide a robust and operationally reliable 6bone backbone. 3. Must have a potential "user community" that would be served by becoming a pTLA, e.g., the requester is a major player in a region, country or focus of interest. 4. Must commit to abide by whatever the 6bone backbone operational rules and policies are (currently there are no formal ones, but the Alain Durand draft is a start in trying to define some). To date, when I've explained the above (admittedly not so formally stated as above) there is typically one of two results. The first is that the requester goes away and studies more, becomes a leaf site, or forgets the 6bone, etc., that is basically doesn't persist in asking for a pTLA. The second is that the requester comes back with strong statements of why it is important to them, stating that they still want a pTLA assigned. In the latter cases I will assign a pTLA (after all, I'm no absolute authority on any of this). So, having said all this, I would like to propose a change to this process. In particular I would like to publish the request along with the requester's response to the above criteria, and get feedback from the 6bone mail list (not just the other pTLAs). Then I would make the final call based on what I think approximates "rough consensus". To this end I am enclosing a request for a pTLA from British Telecom Labs (BT-LABS) and their response to these questions. I would like responses to the list on both the process I propose and the BT-LABS request iteself. Thanks, Bob ====================== From: Stuart Prevost To: "'Bob Fink LBNL'" Subject: Request for pTLA for BT LABS/UK Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:53:45 -0000 Dear Bob, I am writing to request a pTLA on the 6bone, as you know we have been a leaf site for a year now. During this time we have gain valuable experience in IPv6, and have developed a large site here in the UK. We use Cisco routers which currently connect to NRL using BGP4+, in becoming a backbone site we feel that we can gain additional experience to the benefit of the IPv6 community. BT LABS has also formed links to Telenor R&D in Norway. As part of this work both companies have a research interest in IPv6. As part of this collaboration we plan to create a native IPv6 link to them using the JAMES ATM network. I also understand from Tony Dann who attends the IETF meetings this will help in the plans to build a Native IPv6 network this year. If you require any additional information before issuing a pTLA please let me know. Regards Stuart === From: Stuart Prevost To: "'Bob Fink'" Cc: Tony Dann Subject: RE: Request for pTLA for BT LABS/UK Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:23:12 -0000 Dear Bob, Thanks for your response, we don't mind being a test case in helping to resolve the issues of criteria for backbone sites. We agree that the 6bone backbone should evolve into an appropriate infrastructure for true IPv6 evaluation. Therefore the response to your criteria for pTLA assignment is as follows. >>1. Must have experience with IPv6 in the 6bone, at least as a leaf site and >preferably as an NLA transit under a pTLA. BT LABS has been a participating in the 6bone global experiment since January 1997. In that time we have acted as a leaf site from NRL and most recently as a NLA transit site providing connectivity to the 6bone for Telenor R&D. >>2. Must have the ability and intent to provide "production-like" 6bone >>backbone service to provide a robust and operationally reliable 6bone >>backbone. BT LABS is the research arm of BT plc, which already has an ISP business division. We therefore have the skills to provide a "production like" service. We understand the value of the 6bone experiment and intend to actively participate in all initiatives which act to increase understanding of future IPv6 service issues. >>3. Must have a potential "user community" that would be served by becoming >>a pTLA, e.g., the requestor is a major player in a region, country or focus >>of interest. BT is a major player in Europe and therefore has a large potential user community. >>4. Must commit to abide by whatever the 6bone backbone operational rules >>and policies are (currently there are no formal ones, but the Alain Duran >draft is a start in trying to define some). We fully commit to this and welcome progress with Alain Durand draft. Hope these answers are appropriate and we have no problem with you publishing this request to the list. We hope that by starting this off that your task will be made easier when assigning pTLA. Regards, Stuart =======from the 6bone registry ipv6-site: BT-LABS origin: AS1752 descr: Martlesham Heath descr: Suffolk location: 52 03 52 N 01 17 16 E 0m country: GB prefix: 3FFE:F01:2::/48 application: ping gate.ipv6.bt.net tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 gate.ipv6.bt.net -> guar.ipv6.nrl.navy.mil NRL BGP4+ tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 gate.ipv6.bt.net -> gate6.lancs.ac.uk ULANC STATIC tunnel: IPv6 in IPv4 gate.ipv6.bt.net -> mbone-eir.nta.no TELENOR STATIC contact: SP1-6BONE remarks: Experimental IPv6 evaluation network remarks: DNS operational for forward and reverse zones remarks: Primary DNS dns.ipv6.bt.net remarks: Reverse (.2.0.0.0.0.1.0.F.E.F.F.3.IP6.INT) remarks: ipv6-site is operational since 30-Jan-97 changed: stuart.prevost@bt-sys.bt.co.uk 19971030 source: 6BONE -end From Ivano.Guardini@CSELT.IT Fri Mar 13 15:25:46 1998 From: Ivano.Guardini@CSELT.IT (Guardini Ivano) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:25:46 +0100 Subject: as 5609 Message-ID: Hi Pedro, I am trying to access the 6Bone backbone using a cisco 4700 together with a Telebit TBC2000 (is there anyone who is testing the same configuration? :-)). For this reason I have established an iBGP peering between the two routers and each one is terminating some of the CSELT's backbone tunnels. Yesterday I configured the Telebit router to start advertising the BGP4+ routes towards the whole 6Bone in addition to the CSELT's prefix (3ffe:1000::/24) while the day before I was using only the cisco router for that purpose. According to your e-mail it is likely that something is going wrong in the interoperability between the cisco router and the Telebit one. For this reason I have reconfigured both the routers to stop advertising BGP4+ routes towards th whole 6Bone and currently they are advertising only the CSELT IPv6 prefix. I will keep this configuration until I will be able to understand the cause of the problem you observed. It would be of great help if you could give me more details about the bogus routes you observed yesterday. Thank you Ivano > ---------- > From: Pedro Marques[SMTP:roque@cisco.com] > Sent: giovedì 12 marzo 1998 20.10 > To: 6bone@ISI.EDU > Subject: as 5609 > > > FYI: cisco is blocking all annoucements originating from as 5609 as > this site is originating dozens of bogus routes. > > Pedro. > From roque@cisco.com Fri Mar 13 17:28:13 1998 From: roque@cisco.com (Pedro Marques) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:28:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: as 5609 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199803131728.JAA04146@pedrom-ultra.cisco.com> >>>>> "Guardini" == Guardini Ivano writes: Guardini> Hi Pedro, I am trying to access the 6Bone backbone using Guardini> a cisco 4700 together with a Telebit TBC2000 (is there Guardini> anyone who is testing the same configuration? :-)). Guardini> For this reason I have established an iBGP peering between Guardini> the two routers and each one is terminating some of the Guardini> CSELT's backbone tunnels. Yesterday I configured the Guardini> Telebit router to start advertising the BGP4+ routes Guardini> towards the whole 6Bone in addition to the CSELT's Guardini> prefix (3ffe:1000::/24) It seems that you are falling into the same problem that JOIN is/was having sometime ago (i still filter their as to deny everything but their prefix so i'm not sure if it is fixed): routes withdrawn by their originators being advertised back as sourced from your AS. I'd suggest you contact telebit and ask for a fix. Guardini> while the day before I was using Guardini> only the cisco router for that purpose. According to Guardini> your e-mail it is likely that something is going wrong Guardini> in the interoperability between the cisco router and the Guardini> Telebit one. It is not a question of interoperability... the rest of the world receives the annoucements just fine. It is just that those annoucements should not have been originated in the first place. Another topic: ~> whois as5609 SHEVAT, ALLON (AS5609) ashevat@NETVISION.NET.IL GROWTH RESOURCES INSTITUTE 2 KAUFMAN STREET TEL AVIV, IL 972 9 7447837 Are you sure you own this as # ? Pedro. From avatar@deva.net Sat Mar 14 08:21:19 1998 From: avatar@deva.net (Albert K T Hui) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:21:19 +0800 Subject: as 5609 In-Reply-To: <199803131728.JAA04146@pedrom-ultra.cisco.com>; from Pedro Marques on Fri, Mar 13, 1998 at 09:28:13AM -0800 References: <199803131728.JAA04146@pedrom-ultra.cisco.com> Message-ID: <19980314162119.15368@deva.net> On Fri, Mar 13, 1998 at 09:28:13AM -0800, Pedro Marques wrote: > ~> whois as5609 > SHEVAT, ALLON (AS5609) ashevat@NETVISION.NET.IL > GROWTH RESOURCES INSTITUTE > 2 KAUFMAN STREET > TEL AVIV, > IL > 972 9 7447837 > Are you sure you own this as # ? Isn't that just a contact handle that happens to be called "AS5609"? arin.net has taken over the ASNs registration: ~% whois -h whois.arin.net 5609 European Regional Internet Registry/RIPE NCC (ASN-RIPE-ASNBLOCK5-ASNBLOCK) These ASNs have been further assigned to European users. Their contact information can be found in the RIPE database. See below how to use that database to obtain up-to-date information. Autonomous System Name: RIPE-ASNBLOCK5 Autonomous System Block: 5377 - 5631 Coordinator: RIPE Network Coordination Centre (RIPE-NCC-ARIN) ops@ripe.net http://www.ripe.net/ Record last updated on 17-Jun-96. Database last updated on 12-Mar-98 16:08:47 EDT. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. ~% whois -h whois.ripe.net as5609 % Rights restricted by copyright. See http://www.ripe.net/db/dbcopyright.html aut-num: AS5609 as-name: AS-CSELT descr: CSELT S.p.A. is a Research Center for the study, research, descr: experimentation and qualification for telecommunications descr: and information technology. as-in: from AS3269 100 accept ANY as-in: from AS5456 80 accept AS-GARR AS3230 as-in: from AS5455 90 accept AS-GARR AS3230 as-in: from AS2593 70 accept AS2593 as-out: to AS3269 announce AS-CSELT as-out: to AS5456 announce AS-CSELT as-out: to AS5455 announce AS-CSELT as-out: to AS2593 announce AS-CSELT admin-c: SG73-RIPE tech-c: SG73-RIPE notify: cgiadmin@vpd.dcb.interbusiness.it mnt-by: INTERB-MNT changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 960424 source: RIPE person: Sergio Galliano address: CSELT S.p.A. address: Via Reiss Romoli 274 address: Torino address: 10148 - ITALY phone: +39 11 2285364 fax-no: +39 11 2287185 e-mail: Sergio.Galliano@cselt.stet.it nic-hdl: SG73-RIPE changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 960424 source: RIPE -- Albert K T Hui _| _O_ http://avatar.deva.net/ / |vatar | 3ffe:c00:8008::/48 willing to add tunnels and delegate address spaces From roque@cisco.com Sat Mar 14 08:25:30 1998 From: roque@cisco.com (Pedro Marques) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:25:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: as 5609 In-Reply-To: <19980314162119.15368@deva.net> References: <199803131728.JAA04146@pedrom-ultra.cisco.com> <19980314162119.15368@deva.net> Message-ID: <199803140825.AAA04584@pedrom-ultra.cisco.com> >>>>> "Albert" == Albert K T Hui writes: Albert> On Fri, Mar 13, 1998 at 09:28:13AM -0800, Pedro Marques Albert> wrote: >> ~> whois as5609 SHEVAT, ALLON (AS5609) ashevat@NETVISION.NET.IL >> GROWTH RESOURCES INSTITUTE 2 KAUFMAN STREET TEL AVIV, IL 972 9 >> 7447837 Are you sure you own this as # ? Albert> Isn't that just a contact handle that happens to be called Albert> "AS5609"? arin.net has taken over the ASNs registration: Yes... never mind. Next time i'll try reading the output of the query for a change. Sorry for the confusion... Pedro. From lalle@sics.se Mon Mar 16 09:42:49 1998 From: lalle@sics.se (Lars Albertsson) Date: 16 Mar 1998 10:42:49 +0100 Subject: as 5609 In-Reply-To: Pedro Marques's message of Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:28:13 -0800 (PST) References: <199803131728.JAA04146@pedrom-ultra.cisco.com> Message-ID: > Guardini> Hi Pedro, I am trying to access the 6Bone backbone using > Guardini> a cisco 4700 together with a Telebit TBC2000 (is there > Guardini> anyone who is testing the same configuration? :-)). > Guardini> For this reason I have established an iBGP peering between > Guardini> the two routers and each one is terminating some of the > Guardini> CSELT's backbone tunnels. Yesterday I configured the > Guardini> Telebit router to start advertising the BGP4+ routes > Guardini> towards the whole 6Bone in addition to the CSELT's > Guardini> prefix (3ffe:1000::/24) > > It seems that you are falling into the same problem that JOIN is/was > having sometime ago (i still filter their as to deny everything but > their prefix so i'm not sure if it is fixed): routes withdrawn by their > originators being advertised back as sourced from your AS. I'd suggest > you contact telebit and ask for a fix. This seems familiar to me. We had similar problems with a TBC2000 and received a fix from Telebit. We use the following software versions and haven't had any problems since. % show profile profile define basic+atm 19971020 profile swpack swtbc103 2.2a3 /paxnet/swtbc103/rel2v2 profile swpack swlic 2.2 /paxnet/swlic/rel2v2 profile swpack swidte 1.1a3 /paxnet/swidte/rel1v1a3 profile swpack swpoolm 1.0 /paxnet/swpoolm/rel1v0 profile swpack swnames 3.5a14 /paxnet/swnames/rel3v5a14 profile swpack swlan 4.0a4 /paxnet/swlan/rel4v0a4 profile swpack swatm 2.3a1 /paxnet/swatm/rel2v3a1 profile swpack swmars 2.1 /paxnet/swmars/rel2v1 profile swpack swppp 3.3 /paxnet/swppp/rel3v3 profile swpack swudp 2.0a1 /paxnet/swudp/rel2v0 profile swpack swip 7.3a1 /paxnet/swip/rel7v3a1 profile swpack swftp 1.6 /paxnet/swftp/rel1v6 profile swpack swsnmp 1.10a1 /paxnet/swsnmp/rel1v10a1 profile swpack swtelnet 1.2 /paxnet/swtelnet/rel1v2 profile swpack swpaxtcl 2.2 /paxnet/swpaxtcl/rel2v2 profile swpack swptcnf 2.2 /paxnet/swptcnf/rel2v2 /Lalle From mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl Wed Mar 18 12:11:55 1998 From: mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl (Mike Crawfurd) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:11:55 +0100 Subject: CeBit Message-ID: <350FBA0B.9ED0F524@cmg.nl> Hi all, I'm going to the CeBit on saturday, does anyone know a good place on the Cebit where I can listen to some presentations on the subject of IPv6 ? I myself are writing an essay about the subject, and want to learn more on the subject, both the business side and the technical side of the story. Can someone give me some advice concerning where to look on the CeBit ? Thanks in advance, Mike. -- Mike Crawfurd Telephone. (+31) 10 253 7000 CMG Advanced Technologies Industries Telefax. (+31) 10 253 7033 Kralingseweg 241, 3062 CE Rotterdam Mobile. (+31) 65 534 7574 The Netherlands Email. mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl From estala@antares.enst-bretagne.fr Wed Mar 18 13:41:32 1998 From: estala@antares.enst-bretagne.fr (Adrian M. Estala) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:41:32 +0100 (MET) Subject: Linux/IPv6 Message-ID: Trying to get my Linux PC to run IPv6. Already loaded net-tools 1.432, a new kernal 2.1.87, and the latest inet-6-apps. I've got a local router on the 6Bone, but I can't seem to get the linux machine up. Is there a linux/IPv6 mailing list I can jump on? adrian From avatar@deva.net Thu Mar 19 07:17:06 1998 From: avatar@deva.net (Albert K T Hui) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:17:06 +0800 Subject: Linux/IPv6 In-Reply-To: ; from Adrian M. Estala on Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 02:41:32PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <19980319151706.51078@deva.net> On Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 02:41:32PM +0100, Adrian M. Estala wrote: > Trying to get my Linux PC to run IPv6. Already loaded net-tools 1.432, a > new kernal 2.1.87, and the latest inet-6-apps. I've got a local router on > the 6Bone, but I can't seem to get the linux machine up. Is there a > linux/IPv6 mailing list I can jump on? http://www.wcug.wwu.edu/lists/netdev -- Albert K T Hui _| _O_ http://avatar.deva.net/ / |vatar | 3ffe:c00:8008::/48 willing to add tunnels and delegate address spaces From Reinhard_Besemer@BayNetworks.COM Thu Mar 19 11:36:58 1998 From: Reinhard_Besemer@BayNetworks.COM (Reinhard Besemer) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:36:58 +0100 Subject: CeBit Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980319123656.015f2910@vb-mail1.corpwest.baynetworks.com> Hi Mike, if you're at the CeBit don't miss to visit Bay Networks (in HALLE 11, Stand D64) Our company is one of the largest internet equipment provider. We have IPv6 implemented into our router software (BayRS Version 12.0) and I'm sure you will get valuable information there. Best regards Reinhard Besemer At 13:11 18.03.98 +0100, Mike Crawfurd wrote... >Hi all, > >I'm going to the CeBit on saturday, does anyone know a good place on the >Cebit where I can listen to some presentations on the subject of IPv6 ? >I myself are writing an essay about the subject, and want to learn more >on the subject, both the business side and the technical side of the >story. > >Can someone give me some advice concerning where to look on the CeBit ? > >Thanks in advance, > >Mike. >-- >Mike Crawfurd Telephone. (+31) 10 253 7000 >CMG Advanced Technologies Industries Telefax. (+31) 10 253 7033 >Kralingseweg 241, 3062 CE Rotterdam Mobile. (+31) 65 534 7574 >The Netherlands Email. mike.crawfurd@cmg.nl > $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ Reinhard Besemer Bay Networks Educational Services EMEA Teamleader Middle EMEA Phone: +49 711 1394 352 Mittlerer Pfad 26 Fax: +49 711 1394 330 D-70499 Stuttgart E-Mail: rbesemer@baynetworks.com Germany URL: http://www.baynetworks.com $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ From rlfink@lbl.gov Thu Mar 19 15:37:03 1998 From: rlfink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:37:03 -0800 Subject: draft ngtrans/6bone agenda of 19Mar98 Message-ID: <1321829421-382761502@cnrmail.lbl.gov> ngtrans/6bone folk, I have to submit this agenda next week so you have just one more chance to add to the agenda. Please send to me/Tony/Bob directly (cc the lists if you want). Don't worry about times mentioned, we will juggle that as necessary and hold lunchtime meetings for longer topics not able to be finished. Thanks, Bob ================================== NGTRANS WG Agenda (both tools and 6bone) ngtrans tools NNAT I-D- Jim Bound - 15 mins NAT-PT I-D- George Tsirtsis & Pyda Srisuresh - 10-15 mins O'Dell tunnelling ideas - 15 mins 6bone stuff 6bone Status report - Bob Fink - 5 mins 6bone routing issues I-D - Alain Durand - 15 mins 6bone routing reports and related issues - Masaki Hirabaru - 15 mins Multihomed routing domain issues for IPv6 aggregatable scheme I-D- Francis Dupont - 15 mins>I have a bad conflict on Tuesday, as I have 6bone transit through CAIRN - Allison Mankin - 10 mins IPSEC proposition - Allison Mankin - 15 mins Win-NT IPv6 public source - Allison Mankin - 5 mins pTLA asignment rules - Bob Fink - 10 mins steps to clean up the backbone - Bob Fink - 10 mins tools to help clean up the backbone - Ivano Guardini - 10 mins ==================== TUESDAY, March 31, 1998 1300-1400 Afternoon Sessions I INT ip1394 IP Over IEEE 1394 WG OPS ngtrans Next Generation Transition WG <<<<<<<<<<<< TSV tcpsat TCP Over Satellite WG USV run Responsible Use of the Network WG 1415-1515 Afternoon Sessions II INT ip1394 IP Over IEEE 1394 WG OPS ngtrans Next Generation Transition WG <<<<<<<<<<<< SEC spki Simple Public Key Infrastructure WG TSV tcpsat TCP Over Satellite WG ============== Other IPv6 activities MONDAY, March 30, 1998 1930-2200 Evening Sessions INT ipngwg IP Next Generation WG <<<<<<<<<<<< RTG mpls Multiprotocol Label Switching WG WEDNESDAY, April 1 1300-1500 Afternoon Session Alternatives to Address Translation on Networks BOF (AATN) (opposite ipp, schema, mboned, vrrp, pint) THURSDAY, April 2, 1998 0900-1130 Morning Sessions INT ipngwg IP Next Generation WG <<<<<<<<<<<< OPS entmib Entity MIB WG SEC pkix Public-Key Infrastructure (X.509) WG TSV rtfm Realtime Traffic Flow Measurement WG ===================================== Cutoff Dates - 41st IETF Meeting - Los Angeles, CA March 9 - Working Group scheduling closes at 1700 ET <<<< Message-ID: <11871.890377664@coconut.itojun.org> >I have to submit this agenda next week so you have just one more chance to >add to the agenda. Please send to me/Tony/Bob directly (cc the lists if >you want). Hello, this is Jun-ichiro Itoh of WIDE project. Sorry for late contact, but we (WIDE project) would like to submit an item to be added to the ngtrans meeting agenda. Please contact v6@wide.ad.jp (our mailing list) for more info. Thanks for your help, itojun --- Title: SMTP issues in IPv4/v6 environment Time: 5min Speaker: a guy from WIDE project Kazuhiko Yamamoto (kazu@wide.ad.jp) or Jun-ichiro Itoh (itojun@wide.ad.jp) will be speaking. Abstract: Some of the old software (DNS resolver or MTA) may not be happy with "IN AAAA" DNS record registered for MX host. We've performed a public experiment on this issue, by asking people to send email to two IPv4/v6 MTA hosts with different DNS record setups. The results and will be shown. From rlfink@lbl.gov Wed Mar 25 15:19:27 1998 From: rlfink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:19:27 -0800 Subject: ngtrans agenda for IETF in LA as submitted on 25Mar98 Message-ID: <1321312111-413882927@cnrmail.lbl.gov> NGTRANS WG Agenda (both tools and 6bone) TUESDAY, March 31, 1998 1300-1515 Chairs: Bob Fink, Bob Gilligan, Tony Hain ngtrans tools NNAT I-D- Jim Bound - 15 mins NAT-PT I-D- George Tsirtsis & Pyda Srisuresh - 15 mins O'Dell tunnelling ideas - 15 mins 6bone stuff 6bone Status report - Bob Fink - 5 mins 6bone routing issues I-D - Alain Durand - 15 mins 6bone routing reports and related issues - Masaki Hirabaru - 15 mins Multihomed routing domain issues for IPv6 aggregatable scheme I-D - Francis Dupont - 15 mins 6bone transit through CAIRN - Allison Mankin - 10 mins IPSEC proposition - Allison Mankin - 5 mins Win-NT IPv6 public source - Richard Draves - 5 mins pTLA asignment rules - Bob Fink - 5 mins steps to clean up the backbone - Bob Fink - 5 mins tools to help clean up the backbone - Ivano Guardini - 10 mins ==================== TUESDAY, March 31, 1998 1300-1400 Afternoon Sessions I INT ip1394 IP Over IEEE 1394 WG OPS ngtrans Next Generation Transition WG <<<<<<<<<<<< TSV tcpsat TCP Over Satellite WG USV run Responsible Use of the Network WG 1415-1515 Afternoon Sessions II INT ip1394 IP Over IEEE 1394 WG OPS ngtrans Next Generation Transition WG <<<<<<<<<<<< SEC spki Simple Public Key Infrastructure WG TSV tcpsat TCP Over Satellite WG ============== Other IPv6 activities MONDAY, March 30, 1998 1930-2200 Evening Sessions INT ipngwg IP Next Generation WG <<<<<<<<<<<< RTG mpls Multiprotocol Label Switching WG WEDNESDAY, April 1 1300-1500 Afternoon Session Alternatives to Address Translation on Networks BOF (AATN) (opposite ipp, schema, mboned, vrrp, pint) THURSDAY, April 2, 1998 0900-1130 Morning Sessions INT ipngwg IP Next Generation WG <<<<<<<<<<<< OPS entmib Entity MIB WG SEC pkix Public-Key Infrastructure (X.509) WG TSV rtfm Realtime Traffic Flow Measurement WG -end From linux2@nitehawk.premier1.net Sun Mar 29 22:23:15 1998 From: linux2@nitehawk.premier1.net (linux2@nitehawk.premier1.net) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:23:15 GMT Subject: 6Bone Tunnel(s) Message-ID: <199803292223.WAA07393@nitehawk.premier1.net> I'm looking for a host or hosts that will provide IPv4 to IPv6 tunnels for a dialup machine (static IP) and a corporate network (~3 internal nodes to start). Geographically I am a short distance north of Seattle, Washington. Connectivity wise, I am closest to the IXA transport link and NWNET. However, from the registry information it doesn't look like IXA has upgraded to the new address format. I still have not got a reply from NWNET. If anyone can provide me with some address space and a couple tunnels, I would be very happy. Matthew Schlegel Systems Administrator, Datalight, Inc. From Francis.Dupont@inria.fr Mon Mar 30 15:35:59 1998 From: Francis.Dupont@inria.fr (Francis Dupont) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:35:59 +0200 Subject: multihoming BOF Message-ID: <199803301536.RAA05095@givry.inria.fr> We have not enough time to discus multihomed multiprovider stuff at the NGTRANS sessions and there are some conflicts with other WG sessions (ie not everybody could come). I propose a short BOF at lunch time before the NGTRANS session Tuesday in the same room (Avalon which should be free) and if possible before (ie close to 14h00 not 11h15). The purpose is to get opinions/advices from ISPs because proposed solutions have obviously strong not-technical constraints. Documents are : RFC 2260: Scalable Support for Multi-homed Multi-provider Connectivity draft-ietf-ngtrans-6bone-multi-00.txt Report (if we collect enough material) will be at the NGTRANS session (cf the agenda). Francis.Dupont@inria.fr From Alain.Durand@imag.fr Mon Mar 30 17:41:50 1998 From: Alain.Durand@imag.fr (Alain Durand) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:41:50 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: new routing issue draft Message-ID: <199803301741.TAA31811@rama.imag.fr> INTERNET-DRAFT Alain Durand, IMAG March 29, 1999 Bertrand Buclin, AT&T Expires September 30, 1998 IPv6 routing issues Status of this Memo ------------------- This document is an Internet Draft. Internet Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its Areas, and its Working Groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet Drafts. Internet Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months. Internet Drafts may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is not appropriate to use Internet Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as a ``working draft'' or ``work in progress.'' Please check the 1id-abstracts.txt listing contained in the internet- drafts Shadow Directories on nic.ddn.mil, nnsc.nsf.net, nic.nordu.net, ftp.nisc.sri.com, or munnari.oz.au to learn the current status of any Internet Draft. This draft expires September 30, 1998. Introduction ------------ Operation of the 6bone backbone is a challenge due to the frequent insertion of bogus routes by leaf or even backbone sites. This memo identifies some pathological cases and gives some guidelines on how 6bone sites should handle them. It defines the 'best current practice' acceptable in the 6bone for the config- uration of both Interior Gateway Protocols (like RIPng) and Exterior Gateway Protocols (like BGP4+). Basic principles ---------------- The 6bone is structured as a hierarchical network with pseudo TLA (pTLA), pseudo NLA (pNLA) and leaf sites. The 6bone backbone is made of a mesh interconnecting pTLAs only. pNLAs connect to one or more pTLAs and provide transit service for leaf sites. BGP4+ is the mandatory routing protocol used for exchanging routing information among pTLAs. Multi-homed sites or pNLAs SHOULD also use BGP4+. Regular sites MAY use a simple default route to their ISP. This memo will cover: 1) link local prefixes 2) site local prefixes 3) special case prefixes: loopback prefix & unspecified prefix 4) multicast prefixes 5) IPv4-mapped prefixes 6) IPv4-compatible prefixes 7) Yet undefined unicast prefixes (from a different /3 prefix) 8) default routes 9) agregation & advertisement issues 10) Inter site tunnel issues 1) link local prefixes ---------------------- Link local prefixes MUST NOT be advertized through neither an IGP or an EGP. By definition, the link local prefix has a scope limited to a specific link. Since the prefix is the same on all IPv6 links, advertising it in any routing protocol does not make sense and, worse, may introduce nasty error conditions. Well known dangerous cases where link local prefixes could be advertised by mistake are: - a router advertising all directly connected networks including link local ones. - subnets of the link local prefix In such cases, vendors should be urged to correct their code. 2) site local prefixes ---------------------- Site local prefixes MAY be advertized by IGPs or EGPs within a site. The precise definition of a site is ongoing work discussed in the IPng working group. Site local prefixes MUST NOT be advertised to transit pNLAs or pTLAs. 3) special case prefixes ------------------------ a) loopback prefix ::1/128 b) unspecified prefix ::/128 Loopback prefix and unspecified prefix MUST NOT be advertised by any routing protocol. 4) multicast prefixes --------------------- Multicast prefixes MUST NOT be advertised by any unicast routing protocol. 5) IPv4-mapped prefixes ----------------------- IPv4-mapped prefixes MAY be advertised by IGPs withing a site. It may be useful for some IPv6 only nodes within a site to have such a route pointing to a translation device. IPv4-mapped prefixes MUST NOT be advertised by EGPs. 6) IPv4-compatible prefixes --------------------------- Sites may choose to use IPv4 compatible addresses internally. As they is no real rationale today for doing that, this practice SHOULD be discouraged in the 6bone. The ::/96 IPv4-compatible prefixes MAY be advertised by IGPs. IPv4-compatible prefixes MUST NOT be advertised by EGPs to transit pNLAs or pTLAs. 7) yet undefined unicast prefixes ---------------------------------- a) from a format prefix different from 2000::/3 b) from a prefix different from 3ffe::/16 (6bone prefix) Such prefixes MUST NOT be advertised by any routing protocol in the 6bone. In particular, RFC1897 test addresses MUST NOT be advertised on the 6bone. 8) default routes ----------------- 6bone core pTLA routers MUST be default free. pTLAs MAY advertise a default route to its pNLAs. Transit pNLAs MAY do the same for their leaf sites. 9) agregation & advertisement issues ------------------------------------- Route aggregation MUST be performed by any border router. Sites or pNLAs MUST only advertise to their upstream provider the prefixes assigned by that ISP unless otherwise agreed. Site border router MUST NOT advertise prefixes more specific than the /48 ones allocated by their ISP. pTLA MUST NOT advertise prefixes longer than 24 to other pTLAs unless special peering agreement are implemented. 10) inter site links -------------------- Global IPv6 addresses MUST be used for the end points of the inter-site links. In particular, IPv4 compatible addresses MUST NOT be used for tunnels. Prefixes for those links MUST NOT be injected in the global routing tables. Security considerations ----------------------- The result of bogus routing tables is usually unreachable sites. Having guidelines to aggregate or reject routes will clean up the routing tables. It is expected that using this guidelines, routing will be less sensitive to denial of service attacks due to misleading routes. The 6bone is a test network. Therefore, denial of service, packet disclosure,... are to be expected. Author address -------------- Alain Durand Institut d'Informatique et de Mathematiques Appliquees de Grenoble IMAG BP 53 38041 Grenoble CEDEX 9 France Phone : +33 4 76 63 57 03 Fax : +33 4 76 51 49 64 E-Mail: Alain.Durand@imag.fr Bertrand Buclin AT&T International S.A. Route de l'aeroport 31 CP 72 CH-1215 Geneve 15 (Switzerland) Phone : +41 22 929 37 40 Fax : +41 22 929 39 84 E-Mail: Bertrand.Buclin@ch.att.com From rlfink@lbl.gov Mon Mar 30 17:58:04 1998 From: rlfink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:58:04 -0800 Subject: multihoming BOF In-Reply-To: <199803301536.RAA05095@givry.inria.fr> Message-ID: <1320870587-440445197@cnrmail.lbl.gov> Francis, At 05:35 PM 3/30/98 +0200, Francis Dupont wrote: >We have not enough time to discus multihomed multiprovider stuff >at the NGTRANS sessions and there are some conflicts with other >WG sessions (ie not everybody could come). >I propose a short BOF at lunch time before the NGTRANS session >Tuesday in the same room (Avalon which should be free) and >if possible before (ie close to 14h00 not 11h15). I don't understand your time above. Are we meeting in Avalon at noon or 11:30 or ...? >The purpose is to get opinions/advices from ISPs because >proposed solutions have obviously strong not-technical constraints. >Documents are : > RFC 2260: Scalable Support for Multi-homed Multi-provider Connectivity > draft-ietf-ngtrans-6bone-multi-00.txt >Report (if we collect enough material) will be at the NGTRANS session >(cf the agenda). > >Francis.Dupont@inria.fr > From Francis.Dupont@inria.fr Mon Mar 30 20:32:17 1998 From: Francis.Dupont@inria.fr (Francis Dupont) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:32:17 +0200 Subject: multihoming BOF In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:58:04 -0800. <1320870587-440445193@cnrmail.lbl.gov> Message-ID: <199803302032.WAA08042@givry.inria.fr> In your previous mail you wrote: I don't understand your time above. Are we meeting in Avalon at noon or 11:30 or ...? => the break is from 11h15 to 14h00. I propose to begin as late as possible in order to be not too hungry during NGTRANS sessions. It seems it is possible to eat soon then I propose 13h15 (this gives three quarters for both eat and BOF). Regards Francis.Dupont@inria.fr From Marc.Blanchet@viagenie.qc.ca Mon Mar 30 21:19:29 1998 From: Marc.Blanchet@viagenie.qc.ca (Marc Blanchet) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:19:29 -0500 Subject: (ngtrans) Re: multihoming BOF In-Reply-To: <199803302032.WAA08042@givry.inria.fr> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980330161929.0334977c@mail.viagenie.qc.ca> I'm still not sure to understand also. break is from 11h15 to 13h00, not to 14h00. Why don't we meet somewhere in this large hotel for lunch and discuss together there? I've seen in the hotel brochure some sushi/japanese food restaurant in the 3rd or 4th floor, why not lunch and discuss there at 11h30? Regards, Marc. At 22:32 98-03-30 +0200, Francis Dupont wrote: > In your previous mail you wrote: > > I don't understand your time above. Are we meeting in Avalon at noon or > 11:30 or ...? > >=> the break is from 11h15 to 14h00. I propose to begin as late as >possible in order to be not too hungry during NGTRANS sessions. >It seems it is possible to eat soon then I propose 13h15 (this gives >three quarters for both eat and BOF). > >Regards > >Francis.Dupont@inria.fr > ----------------------------------------------------------- Marc Blanchet | Marc.Blanchet@viagenie.qc.ca Viagénie inc. | http://www.viagenie.qc.ca 3107 des hôtels | tél.: 418-656-9254 Ste-Foy, Québec | fax.: 418-656-0183 Canada, G1W 4W5 | radio: VA2-JAZ ------------------------------------------------------------ pgp: 57 86 A6 83 D3 A8 58 32 F7 0A BB BD 5F B2 4B A7 ------------------------------------------------------------ Auteur du livre TCP/IP Simplifié, Éditions Logiques, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------ From Francis.Dupont@inria.fr Mon Mar 30 22:51:17 1998 From: Francis.Dupont@inria.fr (Francis Dupont) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:51:17 +0200 Subject: multihoming BOF In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:58:04 -0800. <1320870587-440445193@cnrmail.lbl.gov> Message-ID: <199803302251.AAA01811@givry.inria.fr> In your previous mail you wrote: I don't understand your time above. Are we meeting in Avalon at noon or 11:30 or ...? => Arg! I have completely messed the time-table. The break will be from 11h15 to 13h00, then I propose 12h15 at Avalon (until the session at 13h00). Thanks Francis.Dupont@inria.fr From raj@cisco.com Mon Mar 30 23:17:21 1998 From: raj@cisco.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:17:21 -0800 Subject: (ngtrans) Re: multihoming BOF In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:51:17 +0200." <199803302251.AAA01811@givry.inria.fr> Message-ID: <199803302317.PAA14675@rast.cisco.com> > => Arg! I have completely messed the time-table. The break will be > from 11h15 to 13h00, then I propose 12h15 at Avalon (until the session > at 13h00). > > Thanks > > Francis.Dupont@inria.fr Too bad. I liked the previous idea of meeting at the Japanese place. /raj