From RLFink@lbl.gov Fri May 2 15:58:15 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 07:58:15 -0700 Subject: new 6bone backbone link diagram - version 13 Message-ID: new 6bone backbone link diagram - version 13 http://www-6bone.lbl.gov/6bone/6bone-bblinks.html add ANS/US BGP4+ links to CISCO/US and CICNET/US RIPng link to BAY/US change ESNET/US link to CISCO/US from RIPng to BGP4+ Again, a welcome to ANSNet as they join the 6bone backbone ANSNet Back one POP Washington D.C., USA ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ipv6/ip6rr/ANSNET Thanks, Bob From osamu@sfc.wide.ad.jp Mon May 5 21:46:17 1997 From: osamu@sfc.wide.ad.jp (Osamu Nakamura) Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 05:46:17 +0900 Subject: registry request Message-ID: <199705052046.FAA21463@shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp> Dear 6bone member. I'm working for InteropNet with Mr. Hagiwara san. I forward following message from Mr. Hagiwara san. Could you take care of it ! Osamu N. ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: ahagiwar@baynetworks.co.jp Return-Path: ahagiwar@baynetworks.co.jp Received: from sh.wide.ad.jp (sh.wide.ad.jp [133.4.11.11]) by shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.3Wb4-shonan) with ESMTP id FAA21402 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 05:40:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from neptune.baynetworks.co.jp by sh.wide.ad.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/6.0) with SMTP id FAA27574; Tue, 6 May 1997 05:40:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from hagidon (atsushi-74.noc.interop.net [45.0.15.74]) by neptune.baynetworks.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/BNET-JP-97/01/20) with SMTP id FAA01039 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 05:35:25 +0900 Message-Id: <199705052035.FAA01039@neptune.baynetworks.co.jp> X-Sender: ahagiwar@baynetworks.co.jp X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0-J (32) Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 05:39:34 +0900 To: osamu@wide.ad.jp From: Atsushi Hagiwara Subject: registry request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" > Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 14:08:27 +0900 > To:6bone@isi.edu > From:Atsushi Hagiwara > Subject:registry request > > Hi, > > I'd like to register a prefix for the 6bone. I have visitied 6bone home page and read "HOW-TO" then I knew I need to obtain group id and password for me to put my object on the server. Could someone please let me know. > > btw, this *is* not for the one belongs to Bay which is already registered, instead this is for the InterOp, because InterOp has introduced V6 connectivity for the exhibitors. I'll be in charge of V6 in the InterOp. > > # I know we are sending bogus /80 onto the 6bone...sorry...will fix soon ;-) > > Thanks, > Atsushi ------- End of Forwarded Message From RLFink@lbl.gov Tue May 6 01:20:43 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 17:20:43 -0700 Subject: registry request In-Reply-To: <199705052046.FAA21463@shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp> Message-ID: At 1:46 PM -0700 5/5/97, Osamu Nakamura wrote: ... >I'm working for InteropNet with Mr. Hagiwara san. >I forward following message from Mr. Hagiwara san. > >Could you take care of it ! ... >> I'd like to register a prefix for the 6bone. I have visitied 6bone home page >and read "HOW-TO" then I knew I need to obtain group id and password for me to >put my object on the server. Could someone please let me know. >> >> btw, this *is* not for the one belongs to Bay which is already registered, >instead this is for the InterOp, because InterOp has introduced V6 >connectivity >for the exhibitors. I'll be in charge of V6 in the InterOp. >> >> # I know we are sending bogus /80 onto the 6bone...sorry...will fix soon ;-) See below. Thanks, Bob ============= In short, if you want to write files there, do: $ ftp.ftp.ripe.net Name: anonymous Password: yourname@your.domain cd ipv6/ip6rr site group ip6rr site gpass 6bone (now you can write files there) ============= From osamu@sfc.wide.ad.jp Tue May 6 01:54:04 1997 From: osamu@sfc.wide.ad.jp (Osamu Nakamura) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:54:04 +0900 (JST) Subject: registoration Message-ID: <199705060054.JAA24545@shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp> Thank you for quick reply, Bob and Geeert Jan. I put the registry of Interop v6. Osamu N. and Atsushi Hagiwara. From RLFink@lbl.gov Tue May 6 20:54:35 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:54:35 -0700 Subject: 6bone Tshirt 2nd order mailings finished Message-ID: This morning the final batch of 6bone Tshirts for the 2nd (and final) order went out. This includes all the following: ================================================================================ Ames, Kurt 1 XL address on file Applebee, Richard 2 XXL address on file Asayesh, Hamid 1 XXL no address on file Banerjee, Partha 2 L address on file, paid Barnes, Greg 2 XL, 2 XXL address on file Bassham, Larry 1 L address on file, prepaid Batie, Alan 1 XL address on file Behrle, Jeremy 1 XXL address on file Blanchet, Marc 4 L address on file Boggs, Adam 1 XL address on file Bolding, Darren 2 L address on file Boneparth, David 1 XL aaddress on file Bortzmeyer, Stephane 1 XL address on file Bourgeois, Judd 1 XL address on file Burson, Jeff 1 XL address on file Caron, Paul 2 L address on file Chavez, Paul 1 XL address on file Chiang, Rick 2 XL, 2 L, 4 M address on file Clark, Alex 4 M, 14 XL, 2 XXL address on file Cully, Brian 1 XL address on file Desrosiers, Luc 1 XL address on file Dewell, Aaron 1 L, 1 XL address on file Dransfield, Mike 2 L address on file Durand, Alain 2 XL, 2 L address on file Fenwick, Wynn 1 XL, 1 XXL address on file Hankins, Greg 1 M address on file Harrison, Jeff 1 XL address on file Haskin, Dimitry 2 M address on file Hazeltine, Andy 2 M address on file Hoag, Andrew 1 XXL address on file Homelien, Oystein 1 L, 1 XL address on file Jin, Bih-Huang 1 L address on file King, Paul 2 XXL address on file Kyriannis, Jimmy 1 L, 1 XL address on file Laird, Scott 5 L, 9 XL address on file Lee, Chongeun 1 M address on file Lekashman, John 2 S, 1 XL, 1 XXL address on file Lerperger, Michael 1 XL address on file Levenberg, Richard 2 L address on file Lewis, David 1 XXL address on file Mankin, Allison 2 M, 2 L address on file Markov, Igor 1 M address on file Marlowe, Matthew 2 XL address on file Martin, David 1 L address on file Metz, Craig 1 L address on file, prepaid Narayan, Vishy 1 M, 1 L address on file Peachey, Alex 2 L, 1 XL address on file Ramanan PS 2 L address on file Ryan, Bryce 5 XXL address on file Shah, Sameer 1 XL address on file Snyder, Larry 2 XL address on file Stewart, John 1 XL address on file Sullivan, Don 1 M address on file Tannenbaum, Andrew 1 XL address on file Tate, Mike 1 XL address on file Thompson, Jim 1 M, 1 L address on file Virgilio, Vincenzo 2 XL, 1 L address on file Watson, Robert 3 XL address on file Wedgwood, Chris 2 L address on file Whalen, Matthew 1 L address on file Winchcombe, Charlie 5 XXL address on file, prepaid Yang, Eric 1 M address on file ================================================================================ Please send NO checks/money until after you have received your Tshirt(s) in the mail. The cost is $10 per Tshirt all costs (and mailing anywhere) included. When you do send a check (only upon receipt of Tshirts) please make it out to Robert L. Fink and mail to: Robert L. Fink 3085 Buena Vista Way Berkeley, CA 94708 USA ================================================================================ From RLFink@lbl.gov Tue May 6 21:19:46 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:19:46 -0700 Subject: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 14 Message-ID: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 14 New BGP4+ backbone link peerings between: UUNET/UK and SURFNET/NL UUNET/UK and ESNET/US UUNET/UK and ANS/US ESNET/US and ANS/US ESNET/US and NWNET/US http://www-6bone.lbl.gov/6bone/6bone-bblinks.html BGP4+ picking up steam! Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Tue May 6 21:17:12 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:17:12 -0700 Subject: new 6bone diagram - version 71 Message-ID: new 6bone diagram - version 71 new site CHICO/US tunneled to CICNET/US move TICL/UK to NRL/US (was to IFB/UK) http://www-6bone.lbl.gov/6bone/6bone-drawing.html Welcome to CHICO: California State University, Chico Chico, California, USA Thanks, Bob From dasnake@freenet.hut.fi Mon May 12 18:23:39 1997 From: dasnake@freenet.hut.fi (Da Snake) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:23:39 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Unirel.it Message-ID: Hi, I like to attach one of our machines to the 6bone, my routing is from IT.net, where I should ask for tunnel? I don't have undestand ASN, where I have to get it? Thanks, DaSnake From enry@wayga.ratatosk.org Mon May 12 19:10:47 1997 From: enry@wayga.ratatosk.org (Mark Komarinski) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone using Linux? Message-ID: <199705121810.OAA12774@wayga.ratatosk.org> I'm getting closer and closer to getting the IPv6 software compiled for my Linux machine. I'm running into problems, especially with the net-tools package. Here's the relevant: gcc -ggdb -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/include/ipv6 -I. -I/home/enry/net-tools -c inet6_gr.c -o inet6_gr.o In file included from /usr/include/linux/ipv6.h:4, from inet6_gr.c:19: /usr/include/linux/in6.h:30: redefinition of `struct in6_addr' /usr/include/linux/in6.h:46: redefinition of `struct sockaddr_in6' /usr/include/linux/in6.h:54: redefinition of `struct ipv6_mreq' inet6_gr.c: In function `rprint_fib6': inet6_gr.c:88: `RTF_DCACHE' undeclared (first use this function) inet6_gr.c:88: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once inet6_gr.c:88: for each function it appears in.) make[1]: *** [inet6_gr.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/enry/net-tools/lib' make: *** [subdirs] Error 2 [enry@wayga net-tools]$ uname -a Linux wayga.ratatosk.org 2.0.29 #2 Thu Apr 17 10:10:40 EDT 1997 i486 I have 2.1.36 compiled, but not booted (i.e. it's in /usr/src/linux). RTF_CACHE is defined nowhere on the drive except that file. Anyone out there using Linux willing to help out? -Mark From pjb27@cam.ac.uk Mon May 12 20:43:08 1997 From: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:43:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Anyone using Linux? In-Reply-To: <199705121810.OAA12774@wayga.ratatosk.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 May 1997, Mark Komarinski wrote: > I'm getting closer and closer to getting the IPv6 software compiled for > my Linux machine. I'm running into problems, especially with the > net-tools package. Here's the relevant: What version of net-tools are you using? I released 1.41 yesterday, and you should grab that if you haven't already. It sounds like you have some problem with your header files as well. You'll have to explain what C library you're using, and what (if any) version of inet6-apps you have installed. p. From Ken_Beames@INS.COM Mon May 12 22:01:14 1997 From: Ken_Beames@INS.COM (Ken Beames) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:01:14 -0700 Subject: IP address assistance Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970512140110.007208dc@lexicon.ins.com> Please check my work: Following the RFC 1897 format: | 3 | 5 bits | 16 bits | 8 | 24 bits | 8 | 16 bits|48 bits| +---+----------+----------+---+------------+---+--------+-------+ | | |Autonomous| | IPv4 | | Subnet | Intf. | |010| 11111 | System |RES| Network |RES| | | | | | Number | | Address | | Address| ID | +---+----------+----------+---+------------+---+--------+-------+ If my ISPs AS# is 1239 (Sprint) my IPv4 network address is 199.0.193 Subnet zero Interface 00-A0-D1-02-33-FA Would be, in binary: 0101111100000100:1101011100000000:1100011100000000:1100000100000000:0000000000000000:0000000010100000:1101000100000010:0011001111111010 Or, 5F04:D700:C700:C100:0:A0:D102:33FA Right? If I were subnetted at 255.255.255.192 and I was on the 3rd subnet (.128), would I represent that as 0080 in the 5th (double octet, word, what name do we call these, hexadectets?) what is the common practice? thanks. -Ken. -----------------------------------==================== Ken Beames Phone: 408 542 0268 Network Systems Engineer Page: 800 INS 1INS Information Technology Group Cell: 415 602 3758 International Network Services Fax: 408 542 0105 Sunnyvale, CA Mail: beames@ins.com 0000,0000,ffffGo Dragonslayers!! =============================-------------------------- "How come nostalgia isn't what it used to be?" -Alfred. From warlock@csuchico.edu Mon May 12 22:27:09 1997 From: warlock@csuchico.edu (John Kennedy) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:27:09 -0700 Subject: Anyone using Linux? Message-ID: <199705122127.OAA27169@hircine.net.chico.ca.us> [Mark Komarinski] > I'm getting closer and closer to getting the IPv6 software compiled > for my Linux machine. I'm running into problems, especially with > the net-tools package. Here's the relevant: ... > Linux wayga.ratatosk.org 2.0.29 #2 Thu Apr 17 10:10:40 EDT 1997 i486 > I have 2.1.36 compiled, but not booted (i.e. it's in /usr/src/linux). > RTF_CACHE is defined nowhere on the drive except that file. Which version of net-tools are you using? Right now, 2.1.36 requires a bunch of API patches to get a lot of the software to compile properly. I haven't tried to compile them with the pre-patch-2.1.37-7 installed, but 2.1.37 is support to have all the API patches in place when it comes out. Getting this stuff crunched up under a 2.0.x kernel is probably a lot more effort than it is worth. In 2.0.30 they started yanking IPv6-chunks out of the header files. I believe net-tools 1.40 or 1.41 is current. The API patch you want is linux-advanced-api-patch-2.diff (intended for 2.1.26, but compiles fairly cleanly against 2.1.36). --- john From bmanning@ISI.EDU Mon May 12 22:37:34 1997 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (bmanning@ISI.EDU) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IP address assistance In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970512140110.007208dc@lexicon.ins.com> from "Ken Beames" at May 12, 97 02:01:14 pm Message-ID: <199705122137.AA04156@zed.isi.edu> > If my ISPs AS# is 1239 (Sprint) > my IPv4 network address is 199.0.193 > Subnet zero > Interface 00-A0-D1-02-33-FA > Would be, in binary: > > 0101111100000100:1101011100000000:1100011100000000:1100000100000000:0000000000000000:0000000010100000:1101000100000010:0011001111111010 > > Or, > > 5F04:D700:C700:C100:0:A0:D102:33FA > > Right? Right. I'll note that only the /32 is delegated by me. -- --bill From jared@puck.nether.net Tue May 13 00:12:48 1997 From: jared@puck.nether.net (Jared Mauch) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone using Linux? In-Reply-To: <199705121810.OAA12774@wayga.ratatosk.org> from Mark Komarinski at "May 12, 97 02:10:47 pm" Message-ID: <199705122312.TAA30205@puck.nether.net> I'm trying to get some patches together that I will attempt to get davem or linus to sync into 2.1.37 if I can get them in in time. You should watch the netdev list, I can give anyone here interested in the address the information about it if they respond to me directly. I had various stability issues when running the latest kernels w/ ipv6 (or even without), so be sure it's a test box you're willing to sacrifice - jared Mark Komarinski graced my mailbox with this long sought knowledge: > I'm getting closer and closer to getting the IPv6 software compiled for > my Linux machine. I'm running into problems, especially with the > net-tools package. Here's the relevant: > > gcc -ggdb -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/include/ipv6 -I. -I/home/enry/net-tools -c inet6_gr.c -o inet6_gr.o > In file included from /usr/include/linux/ipv6.h:4, > from inet6_gr.c:19: > /usr/include/linux/in6.h:30: redefinition of `struct in6_addr' > /usr/include/linux/in6.h:46: redefinition of `struct sockaddr_in6' > /usr/include/linux/in6.h:54: redefinition of `struct ipv6_mreq' > inet6_gr.c: In function `rprint_fib6': > inet6_gr.c:88: `RTF_DCACHE' undeclared (first use this function) > inet6_gr.c:88: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > inet6_gr.c:88: for each function it appears in.) > make[1]: *** [inet6_gr.o] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/enry/net-tools/lib' > make: *** [subdirs] Error 2 > > [enry@wayga net-tools]$ uname -a > Linux wayga.ratatosk.org 2.0.29 #2 Thu Apr 17 10:10:40 EDT 1997 i486 > > I have 2.1.36 compiled, but not booted (i.e. it's in /usr/src/linux). > RTF_CACHE is defined nowhere on the drive except that file. > > Anyone out there using Linux willing to help out? > > -Mark > -- jared@CIC.Net - CICNET --------- jared@Nether.Net - Nether Network "bash awk grep perl sed df du, du-du du-du, vi troff su fsck rm * halt LART LART LART!" -- the Swedish BOFH From warlock@csuchico.edu Tue May 13 00:45:39 1997 From: warlock@csuchico.edu (John Kennedy) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:45:39 -0700 Subject: IP address assistance Message-ID: <199705122345.QAA27366@hircine.net.chico.ca.us> > Please check my work: Have you seen and, in particular, ? > 5F04:D700:C700:C100:0:A0:D102:33FA The tool page calculated it as (using 199.0.193.1/24 as your IPv4 addr): 5F04:D700:00C7:C100:0000:00A0:D102:33FA Doesn't look like the byte got swapped properly (0xC700.C1 vs 0x00C7.C1). Maybe I got up on the wrong side of the intel this morning, but I think your answer is correct. > If I were subnetted at 255.255.255.192 and I was on the 3rd subnet > (.128), would I represent that as 0080 in the 5th (double octet, > word, what name do we call these, hexadectets?) The subnet field doesn't help too much if you're an A-class either. (: Just decide which bits represent your subnet. --- john From RLFink@lbl.gov Tue May 13 15:14:25 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:14:25 -0700 Subject: unidentified 6bone Tshirt check from White Knight - J/A Multimedia Message-ID: I have received a $20 check for 6bone Tshirts from a company called: White Knight Services Inc. J/A Multimedia Communications 16215 Hampton Rd Hamilton, VA There was no name attached anywhere, and my records show no such company. Could whoever had this check sent please let me know who they are. Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 14 02:12:41 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:12:41 -0700 Subject: new 6bone diagram - version 72 Message-ID: new 6bone diagram - version 72 http://www-6bone.lbl.gov/6bone/6bone-drawing.html make VIAGENIE/CA a backbone site add SPACENET/DE to UUNET/UK drawing cleanup (getting ready for the next big expansion :-) Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 14 02:33:46 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:33:46 -0700 Subject: new 6bone backbone link diagram - version 15 Message-ID: new 6bone backbone link diagram - version 15 http://www-6bone.lbl.gov/6bone/6bone-bblinks.html add VIAGENIE/CA as a backbone site change ESNET/US link to NWNET/US back to RIPng (no problem, just got it wrong earlier) Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 14 02:43:28 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:43:28 -0700 Subject: 6bone.net now active Message-ID: I'm pleased to report that we now have the domain name 6bone.net registered: =============================================================== bob/nsx.lbl.gov[16]:whois -h internic.net 6bone.net Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (6BONE3-DOM) One Cyclotron Road Berkeley, CA 94720-0001 US Domain Name: 6BONE.NET Administrative Contact: Fink, Robert L. (RLF) RLFINK@LBL.GOV (510) 486-5692 (FAX) (510) 486-6363 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Leres, Craig A (CAL3) leres@EE.LBL.GOV (510) 486-7576 (FAX) (510) 845-2017 Billing Contact: Fink, Robert L. (RLF) RLFINK@LBL.GOV (510) 486-5692 (FAX) (510) 486-6363 Record last updated on 09-May-97. Record created on 09-May-97. Database last updated on 13-May-97 06:16:37 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NSX.LBL.GOV 131.243.64.3 NS.RIPE.NET 193.0.0.193 TECKLA.APNIC.NET 202.12.28.129 ORB.ISI.EDU 128.9.160.66 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. bob/nsx.lbl.gov[17]: =============================================================== Thanks for all the help from the off-site DNS folk at isi.edu, ripe.net and apnic.net. I will soon have the 6bone web server www.6bone.net active. When we move to the new RIPE-style RR at isi, it will also be in this domain, as well as its mirror sites. At this point I would encourage anyone with an idea of what to use this domain for to send their ideas to the list. Thanks, Bob From JOIN Project Team Wed May 14 14:35:05 1997 From: JOIN Project Team (JOIN Project Team) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:35:05 +0200 (MEZ) Subject: IPv6 Demo at JENC8 in Edinburgh Message-ID: Hi, We would like to inform you about our IPv6 demo at the 8th Joint European Networking Conference in Edinburgh: We set up two routers interconnected via ATM running IPv6 and OSPFv6 over it. One of these routers has tunnels to UNI-C and Telebit in Denmark, with whom we have collaborated, and JOIN in Germany. These tunnels are running BGP4+ and IDRPv6 as routing protocols to connect to the global 6bone. You can also look at: http://www.join.uni-muenster.de/JOIN/ipv6/texte-englisch/edinburgh.html and http://www.join.uni-muenster.de/JOIN/ipv6/texte-englisch/edinburgh-demo.html Greetings from Scotland - Guido ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JOIN -- IP Version 6 in the WiN Guido Wessendorf A project of DFN Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster Project Team email: Universitaetsrechenzentrum join@uni-muenster.de Einsteinstrasse 60 http://www.join.uni-muenster.de D-48149 Muenster / Germany phone: +49 251 83 31639, fax: +49 251 83 31653, email: wessend@uni-muenster.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 14 19:42:19 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:42:19 -0700 Subject: new 6bone diagram - version 73 Message-ID: new 6bone diagram - version 73 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-drawing.html add EMI-DTU/DK to UNI-C/DK Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 14 21:45:44 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:45:44 -0700 Subject: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 16 Message-ID: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 16 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-bblinks.html add BGP4+ peering between: CICNET/US and ESNET/US CICNET/US and SURFNET/NL CICNET/US and ISI-LAP/US Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 15 17:13:34 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:13:34 -0700 Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: <199705151015.MAA28865@faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: from Bob Fink at "May 13, 97 06:43:28 pm" Message-ID: Erich, At 3:15 AM -0700 5/15/97, Erich Meier wrote: >> I'm pleased to report that we now have the domain name 6bone.net registered: > >Cool! > >> At this point I would encourage anyone with an idea of what to use this >> domain for to send their ideas to the list. > >As I mentioned earlier, I would enter the border routers of every IPv6 site >into the 6bone.net zone with the short site name (e.g. "fauern.6bone.net" or >"join.6bone.net" or "cisco.6bone.net" - I think you get the idea ;-). That >would make traceroutes much easier to understand. This might be a lot of work. I do think all backbone border routers (and maybe the transits as well) could be named like this. As we are trying to emulate a real network, maybe we should treat the "leaf" sites as the users and thus not part of the 6bone.net domain. Opinions anyone? Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 15 18:29:10 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:29:10 -0700 Subject: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 17 Message-ID: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 17 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-bblinks.html new BGP4+ peerings: SURFNET/NL to ESNET/US SURFNET/NL to ISI-LAP/US SURFNET/NL to CISCO/US UUNET/UK to ISI-LAP/US UUNET/UK to NWNET/US (almost up?) Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 15 18:33:36 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:33:36 -0700 Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: <970515192603.ZM583@rama.imag.fr> References: Bob Fink "Re: 6bone.net now active" (May 15, 9:13am) from Bob Fink at "May 13 97 06:43:28 pm" Message-ID: Alain, At 10:26 AM -0700 5/15/97, Alain Durand wrote: >On May 15, 9:13am, Bob Fink wrote: >> Subject: Re: 6bone.net now active > >> >As I mentioned earlier, I would enter the border routers of every IPv6 site >> >into the 6bone.net zone with the short site name (e.g. >>"fauern.6bone.net" or >> >"join.6bone.net" or "cisco.6bone.net" - I think you get the idea ;-). That >> >would make traceroutes much easier to understand. >> >> This might be a lot of work. I do think all backbone border routers (and >> maybe the transits as well) could be named like this. >> >> As we are trying to emulate a real network, maybe we should treat the >> "leaf" sites as the users and thus not part of the 6bone.net domain. > >I talked about that to some people at last IETF. A common answer is that >we do not want to recreate the .arpa domain. > >www.6bone.net, ftp.6bone.net registry.6bone.net, majordomo@6bone.net >& all sorts of things like that make a lot of sense to me. >For site entry point, we might have 6bone-gw.ipv6.your.site or anything >similar. >That's nice enough for traceroutes. I like this idea,, and agree about not recreating the big single domain again. After all, we will be morphing this thing into a production net. We already now have www.6bone.net and whois.6bone.net (for the ISI RR). I especially like NOT having to do NDS updates for sites on a regular basis...your 6bone-gw.ipv6.your.site makes a lot of sense. Thanks, Bob From Alain.Durand@imag.fr Thu May 15 18:26:03 1997 From: Alain.Durand@imag.fr (Alain Durand) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:26:03 +0200 Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: Bob Fink "Re: 6bone.net now active" (May 15, 9:13am) References: from Bob Fink at "May 13 97 06:43:28 pm" Message-ID: <970515192603.ZM583@rama.imag.fr> On May 15, 9:13am, Bob Fink wrote: > Subject: Re: 6bone.net now active > >As I mentioned earlier, I would enter the border routers of every IPv6 site > >into the 6bone.net zone with the short site name (e.g. "fauern.6bone.net" or > >"join.6bone.net" or "cisco.6bone.net" - I think you get the idea ;-). That > >would make traceroutes much easier to understand. > > This might be a lot of work. I do think all backbone border routers (and > maybe the transits as well) could be named like this. > > As we are trying to emulate a real network, maybe we should treat the > "leaf" sites as the users and thus not part of the 6bone.net domain. I talked about that to some people at last IETF. A common answer is that we do not want to recreate the .arpa domain. www.6bone.net, ftp.6bone.net registry.6bone.net, majordomo@6bone.net & all sorts of things like that make a lot of sense to me. For site entry point, we might have 6bone-gw.ipv6.your.site or anything similar. That's nice enough for traceroutes. - Alain. From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 15 18:39:46 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:39:46 -0700 Subject: new Routing Registry planning Message-ID: As I have seen no disagreement about moving to the RIPE-style routing registry, we (David Kessens and I) have been planning for this to happen quite soon now. One thing we need to find out before going further is if there are things that will bust if we terminate the RIP-NCC ftp-style database we are now using. We could keep it around for awhile, but just have it be read-only. So...are there any "gotchas" and other items on your minds about this impending conversion? Comments to the list please. Thanks, Bob From pjb27@cam.ac.uk Thu May 15 19:22:24 1997 From: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:22:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 May 1997, Bob Fink wrote: > This might be a lot of work. I do think all backbone border routers (and > maybe the transits as well) could be named like this. > > As we are trying to emulate a real network, maybe we should treat the > "leaf" sites as the users and thus not part of the 6bone.net domain. I think it would be useful to have leaf sites in the 6bone.net domain as well, though maybe under some subdomain of it. Perhaps I'm alone, but I find that connectivity is still sufficiently flaky that I want to ping other sites fairly often - and it would be a lot easier to say "ping uunet-uk.6bone.net" than to have to look up their RIPE entry and dig out the IPv6 address. I've added entries for the sites to which I have tunnels to my local DNS for just this purpose. Is there any way to automatically generate a zone file from the RIPE registry? p. From flep@bnl.gov Thu May 15 20:00:05 1997 From: flep@bnl.gov (Frank Lepera) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:00:05 -0400 Subject: 6bone.net now active References: Bob Fink "Re: 6bone.net now active" (May 15, 9:13am) from Bob Fink at "May 13 97 06:43:28 pm" Message-ID: <337B5D35.6B5C@bnl.gov> Bob... Isn't the 6 in "6bone.net" not allowed in DNS? I thought a "label" in the DNS domainname could not or should not start with a numeric. -- Frank Lepera flep@bnl.gov Network Engineering Section, CCD Brookhaven National Laboratory [516]344-4183 From gustavo@convex.es Thu May 15 19:43:16 1997 From: gustavo@convex.es (Gustavo Sanchez Gomez) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:43:16 +0200 Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: <970515192603.ZM583@rama.imag.fr> References: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970515204316.00523380@druida.convex.es> > >I talked about that to some people at last IETF. A common answer is that >we do not want to recreate the .arpa domain. > >www.6bone.net, ftp.6bone.net registry.6bone.net, majordomo@6bone.net >& all sorts of things like that make a lot of sense to me. >For site entry point, we might have 6bone-gw.ipv6.your.site or anything >similar. >That's nice enough for traceroutes. > > - Alain. > I think like Alain. Our target is a smooth transition y address space, and not in name space !!! A name that now traslate in IP4 address, in the future, sould be translate in IP6 address. Regards Gustavo S=E1nchez G=F3mez Consultor Convex Supercomputer S.A.E. Tlf: 95-4530694 Luis de Morales 32, edif. Forum, m=F3dulo 3-30 Sevilla, Spain e-mail: gustavo@convex.es WWW: http://www.convex.es WWW: http://www.satec.es From dorian@cic.net Thu May 15 20:34:59 1997 From: dorian@cic.net (Dorian R. Kim) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >As I mentioned earlier, I would enter the border routers of every IPv6 site > >into the 6bone.net zone with the short site name (e.g. "fauern.6bone.net" or > >"join.6bone.net" or "cisco.6bone.net" - I think you get the idea ;-). That > >would make traceroutes much easier to understand. This won't make a difference if the ip6.int entries don't exist or are broken. -dorian From deering@cisco.com Thu May 15 21:15:13 1997 From: deering@cisco.com (Steve Deering) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:15:13 -0700 Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: <337B5D35.6B5C@bnl.gov> References: Bob Fink "Re: 6bone.net now active" (May 15, 9:13am) from Bob Fink at "May 13 97 06:43:28 pm" Message-ID: At 12:00 PM -0700 5/15/97, Frank Lepera wrote: > Isn't the 6 in "6bone.net" not allowed in DNS? I thought a > "label" in the DNS domainname could not or should not start > with a numeric. No, it's OK. I recall that the rules were changed long ago to allow 3com.com. Steve From davidk@isi.edu Thu May 15 21:49:24 1997 From: davidk@isi.edu (davidk@isi.edu) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at May 15, 97 07:22:24 pm Message-ID: <9705152049.AA15688@brind.isi.edu> Philip, Philip Blundell writes: > > On Thu, 15 May 1997, Bob Fink wrote: > > > This might be a lot of work. I do think all backbone border routers (and > > maybe the transits as well) could be named like this. > > > > As we are trying to emulate a real network, maybe we should treat the > > "leaf" sites as the users and thus not part of the 6bone.net domain. > > I think it would be useful to have leaf sites in the 6bone.net domain as > well, though maybe under some subdomain of it. Perhaps I'm alone, but I > find that connectivity is still sufficiently flaky that I want to ping > other sites fairly often - and it would be a lot easier to say "ping > uunet-uk.6bone.net" than to have to look up their RIPE entry and dig out > the IPv6 address. > > I've added entries for the sites to which I have tunnels to my local DNS > for just this purpose. > > Is there any way to automatically generate a zone file from the RIPE > registry? Yes. this is possible. However, I think that Alain is right that this is not desired. There is a simple solution for your problem (when we start using the new routing registry) with a little script that does something like this: Command: rrping ipv6-site - gets object 'ipv6-site' from routing registry with whois - gets first application: ping line - does a ping to the site as specified in the routing registry David K. PS I am willing to write such a script and post it if you think that it is useful. --- From Erich.Meier@informatik.uni-erlangen.de Fri May 16 07:47:04 1997 From: Erich.Meier@informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Erich Meier) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:47:04 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: from Bob Fink at "May 15, 97 09:13:34 am" Message-ID: <199705160647.IAA29488@faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Bob, > >As I mentioned earlier, I would enter the border routers of every IPv6 site > >into the 6bone.net zone with the short site name (e.g. "fauern.6bone.net" or > >"join.6bone.net" or "cisco.6bone.net" - I think you get the idea ;-). That > >would make traceroutes much easier to understand. > > This might be a lot of work. I do think all backbone border routers (and > maybe the transits as well) could be named like this. > > As we are trying to emulate a real network, maybe we should treat the > "leaf" sites as the users and thus not part of the 6bone.net domain. OK, this sounds very reasonable. So let's treat 6bone.net just as a "pointer domain" into the local IPv6 clouds and an "information domain" users interested in operating new IPv6 networks. From reading the other replies, I think this is rough consensus. Status: RO Regards, Erich -- Erich Meier Erich.Meier@informatik.uni-erlangen.de http://www4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~meier From jimmy.kyriannis@nyu.edu Fri May 16 16:33:44 1997 From: jimmy.kyriannis@nyu.edu (Jimmy Kyriannis) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:33:44 -0400 Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: <337B5D35.6B5C@bnl.gov> References: Bob Fink "Re: 6bone.net now active" (May 15, 9:13am) "from Bob Fink at May 13 97 06:43:28 pm" Message-ID: At 3:00 PM -0400 5/15/97, Frank Lepera wrote: >Bob... > >Isn't the 6 in "6bone.net" not allowed in DNS? I thought a >"label" in the DNS domainname could not or should not start >with a numeric. > >-- > >Frank Lepera flep@bnl.gov >Network Engineering Section, CCD >Brookhaven National Laboratory [516]344-4183 My understanding is that was changed to accomodate domains like 3com.com. Jimmy From RLFink@lbl.gov Fri May 16 17:01:51 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:01:51 -0700 Subject: 6bone.net now active In-Reply-To: <9705152049.AA15688@brind.isi.edu> References: from "Philip Blundell" at May 15, 97 07:22:24 pm Message-ID: At 1:49 PM -0700 5/15/97, davidk@isi.edu wrote: >Philip, > >Philip Blundell writes: >> >> On Thu, 15 May 1997, Bob Fink wrote: >> >> > This might be a lot of work. I do think all backbone border routers (and >> > maybe the transits as well) could be named like this. >> > >> > As we are trying to emulate a real network, maybe we should treat the >> > "leaf" sites as the users and thus not part of the 6bone.net domain. >> >> I think it would be useful to have leaf sites in the 6bone.net domain as >> well, though maybe under some subdomain of it. Perhaps I'm alone, but I >> find that connectivity is still sufficiently flaky that I want to ping >> other sites fairly often - and it would be a lot easier to say "ping >> uunet-uk.6bone.net" than to have to look up their RIPE entry and dig out >> the IPv6 address. >> >> I've added entries for the sites to which I have tunnels to my local DNS >> for just this purpose. >> >> Is there any way to automatically generate a zone file from the RIPE >> registry? > >Yes. this is possible. However, I think that Alain is right that this is >not desired. There is a simple solution for your problem (when we start >using the new routing registry) with a little script that does something >like this: > >Command: > >rrping ipv6-site > >- gets object 'ipv6-site' from routing registry with whois >- gets first application: ping line >- does a ping to the site as specified in the routing registry > >David K. > >PS I am willing to write such a script and post it if you think that it > is useful. I think this is a good thing to do, espcially as the tone of the email on the use ofthe 6bone.net domain seems to be to keep it to more limited scope. Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Fri May 16 17:10:53 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:10:53 -0700 Subject: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 18 Message-ID: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 18 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-bblinks.html add SURFNET/NL to ANS/US using BGP4+ Thanks, Bob From bound@zk3.dec.com Fri May 16 17:31:04 1997 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Fri, 16 May 97 12:31:04 -0400 Subject: BGP4+ Message-ID: <9705161631.AA05808@wasted.zk3.dec.com> I am seeing mail that folks are implementing BGP4+? What draft spec is this being implemented from? Jitu Patel asked on the IPv6imp list but no response yet. thanks /jim From RLFink@lbl.gov Fri May 16 19:17:42 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:17:42 -0700 Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: <9705161631.AA05808@wasted.zk3.dec.com> Message-ID: Jim, At 9:31 AM -0700 5/16/97, wrote: >I am seeing mail that folks are implementing BGP4+? > >What draft spec is this being implemented from? > >Jitu Patel asked on the IPv6imp list but no response yet. I may be wrong on this, but I believe all the 6bone BGP4+ tunnels in use to date are using the Cicso field test version. And I have no clue as to what the real spec of that implemenation is, nor how they deal with any policy. Bob From dorian@cic.net Fri May 16 19:57:05 1997 From: dorian@cic.net (Dorian R. Kim) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: <9705161631.AA05808@wasted.zk3.dec.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 May 1997 bound@zk3.dec.com wrote: > I am seeing mail that folks are implementing BGP4+? > > What draft spec is this being implemented from? I would assume the multiprotocol BGP drafts of Bates, Chandra et al. -dorian From bound@zk3.dec.com Fri May 16 21:10:39 1997 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Fri, 16 May 97 16:10:39 -0400 Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 May 97 11:17:42 PDT." Message-ID: <9705162010.AA09357@wasted.zk3.dec.com> Bob, >>I am seeing mail that folks are implementing BGP4+? >> >>What draft spec is this being implemented from? >> >>Jitu Patel asked on the IPv6imp list but no response yet. > >I may be wrong on this, but I believe all the 6bone BGP4+ tunnels in use to >date are using the Cicso field test version. > >And I have no clue as to what the real spec of that implemenation is, nor >how they deal with any policy. Well so it can be tested by multiple vendors knowing what the spec is I think is pretty important. So should I go invent my version of BGP for IPv6 and start using it on the 6bone next week? This could be a slippery slope here. thanks /jim From bound@zk3.dec.com Fri May 16 21:28:31 1997 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Fri, 16 May 97 16:28:31 -0400 Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 May 97 14:57:05 EDT." Message-ID: <9705162028.AA10802@wasted.zk3.dec.com> >I would assume the multiprotocol BGP drafts of Bates, Chandra et al. OK that would be: draft-bates-bgp4-multiprotocol-01.txt I don't care either way... But if it is what we are doing I know it would be good for all to implement it if possible for a potential UNH IPv6 interoperability event to test it out in late July. Can someone from Cisco share with us is this the draft? If I tcpdump onee of your packets it would help too. thanks.... As I said at the Memphis IETF if you have an implementation and you have not tested it at UNH bake-off or recent Connectathon for multivendor interoperability, don't think other than some tunnels your getting this on the 6bone, cause your not. Also if Cairn backbone happens and we get native link IPv6 nodes that have not done this testing will most likely have bugs in their ND, Autoconf, DNS, and IPv6/IPv4 Interoperation mechanisms those who go to UNH were able to learn about via implementation. I would like to see in the RIPE-CC or somewhere a connotation who has done interoperability testing and who has not. Of course that would not mean you did it well as we are all under non-disclosure at these things and you could have shown up and failed everything but no one could tell on you or state it in public. Unless we all agreed to publish our own results as an open process. Which is an idea. /jim From bmanning@ISI.EDU Fri May 16 22:07:38 1997 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (bmanning@ISI.EDU) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: <9705162010.AA09357@wasted.zk3.dec.com> from "bound@zk3.dec.com" at May 16, 97 04:10:39 pm Message-ID: <199705162107.AA02334@zed.isi.edu> > So should I go invent my version of BGP for IPv6 and start using it on > the 6bone next week? > > thanks > /jim You bet. And so should Dimitry. And there are the IDRPv6 folks out there also.... The more work on EGPs for v6, the better. -- --bill From dino@cisco.com Fri May 16 22:10:16 1997 From: dino@cisco.com (Dino Farinacci) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:10:16 -0700 Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: <9705162028.AA10802@wasted.zk3.dec.com> (bound@zk3.dec.com) Message-ID: <199705162110.OAA29062@stilton.cisco.com> >> Can someone from Cisco share with us is this the draft? If I tcpdump >> onee of your packets it would help too. thanks.... Yes, draft-bates-bgp4-multiprotocol-01.txt is the draft. >> As I said at the Memphis IETF if you have an implementation and you have >> not tested it at UNH bake-off or recent Connectathon for multivendor >> interoperability, don't think other than some tunnels your getting this >> on the 6bone, cause your not. We released this code to our EFT sites. They use it the way they want. >> I would like to see in the RIPE-CC or somewhere a connotation who has >> done interoperability testing and who has not. Of course that would not >> mean you did it well as we are all under non-disclosure at these things >> and you could have shown up and failed everything but no one could tell >> on you or state it in public. Unless we all agreed to publish our own >> results as an open process. Which is an idea. Jim, you make it sound like UNH is the only place to do interoperability testing. We have found lots of interoperability issues by testing on the 6bone. Isn't that the whole point of the 6bone? Dino From dhaskin@baynetworks.com Fri May 16 22:26:24 1997 From: dhaskin@baynetworks.com (Dimitry Haskin) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:26:24 -0400 Subject: BGP4+ Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970516172623.006968e0@pobox> At 04:28 PM 5/16/97 -0400, bound@zk3.dec.com wrote: > >>I would assume the multiprotocol BGP drafts of Bates, Chandra et al. > >OK that would be: > >draft-bates-bgp4-multiprotocol-01.txt > >I don't care either way... But if it is what we are doing I know it >would be good for all to implement it if possible for a potential UNH >IPv6 interoperability event to test it out in late July. > This is not what WE are doing. This is what one vendor is doing and this was not approved in the IDR WG. As matter of fact it was decided to go with BGP5 albeit it was not clear what features will be incorporated in the next version of bgp. Dimitry From bound@zk3.dec.com Fri May 16 23:03:14 1997 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Fri, 16 May 97 18:03:14 -0400 Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 May 97 14:10:16 PDT." <199705162110.OAA29062@stilton.cisco.com> Message-ID: <9705162203.AA17363@wasted.zk3.dec.com> Dino, First thanks... I did not mean to say UNH is the only place and I don't think I did say that but if that is how it came out then thats not what I intended. I have found bugs from the 6bone too for sure. But I may not find a Neighbor Discovery, Solicited Node Muliticast, API, DNS, Router Advertisements, or Addr Conf bugs on the 6bone. You need a native IPv6 backbone to find many of these bugs if they exist not a tunnel. I also know we did multiple interface support for IPv6 for Connectathon (note I mentioned Connectathon too) and thanks to that we found bugs in our Host and when we turned the Alpha into a router too thanks to other vendors at Connectathon which we were able to fix and verify it was not the specs. My other point is if Cairn happens that will be a native IPv6 link for us initially on the West Coast. An implementation can be working fine with tunnels and then break when its on this native link. Which was my last point. That you can be fine on the 6bone but not on a link with mulitple implementations. As far as my connotation in RIPE that was a light comment to kind of get people to come to UNH to test. Sorry what I thought was positive came off negative to you or anyone else. The 6bone on the other hand tests parts we cannot possibly test at UNH to this degree (e.g. Address Arch, Routing Table, ROuting Policy, Deployment of IPv6 on an Internet, etc..). So in no way am I belittling thee importance of the 6bone for testing and many other benefits it provides. /jim From dino@cisco.com Fri May 16 23:18:16 1997 From: dino@cisco.com (Dino Farinacci) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:18:16 -0700 Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: <9705162203.AA17363@wasted.zk3.dec.com> (bound@zk3.dec.com) Message-ID: <199705162218.PAA02545@stilton.cisco.com> >> But I may not find a Neighbor Discovery, Solicited Node Muliticast, >> API, DNS, Router Advertisements, or Addr Conf bugs on the 6bone. You >> need a native IPv6 backbone to find many of these bugs if they exist >> not a tunnel. I don't see why not. Not every node on the 6bone has a tunnel attached to it. There is some native LANs doing neighbor discovery and such. I don't see why API and DNS things need a native structure. But nevermind, back to regulalry scheduled firefighting. Dino From dhaskin@baynetworks.com Sat May 17 02:51:37 1997 From: dhaskin@baynetworks.com (Dimitry Haskin) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:51:37 -0400 Subject: BGP4+ Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970516215134.006958ac@pobox> At 03:41 PM 5/16/97 -0700, Pedro Marques wrote: > Dimitry> This is not what WE are doing. This is what one vendor is > Dimitry> doing and this was not approved in the IDR WG. As matter > Dimitry> of fact it was decided to go with BGP5 albeit it was not > Dimitry> clear what features will be incorporated in the next > Dimitry> version of bgp. > >Dimitry, you do believe that the process of designing BGP 5 will be >completed in less than 1 and 1/2 years / 2 years ? > I hope so. But, I afraid you might be right considering the "interest" IPv6 generated at the IDR WG in Memphis :( >The whole discussion of deciding what features should be on a protocol, >specially one as critical as BGP is most of the times the more time >consuming phase of the IETF standards process. > >I'm sure that BGP 5 will be a superior alternative to BGP 4+... whatever >BGP 5 turns out to be. In the meanwhile there are a bunch of happy people >out there playing with the rude hacks of some bad behaved implementors. By all means. My statement meant to make sure that there was no illusion (as seemed Jim had) that there was an IETF consensus on BGP for IPv6 that every vendor should immediately embrace. >Besides in don't think the IDR WG ruled out BGP4+... > >./Pedro. > Dimitry From bound@zk3.dec.com Sat May 17 03:22:25 1997 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Fri, 16 May 97 22:22:25 -0400 Subject: BGP4+ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 May 97 15:30:21 PDT." <199705162230.PAA10526@pedrom-ultra.cisco.com> Message-ID: <9705170222.AA19644@wasted.zk3.dec.com> Pedro, >There are two BGP proposals for IPv6: >- draft-bates-bgp4-multiprotocol-01.txt, a.k.a. BGP 4+. >- draft-stewart-bgp-multiprotocol-00.txt, a.k.a. BGP 5. > >I don't think there is any possible confusion on the term BGP 4+. I know. But all I saw was BGP4 and did not differentiate the 5. I also heard a rumor there was a compromise draft of BGP4 btw the two drafts above. Guess not. Jim> Can someone from Cisco share with us is this the draft? >I'm not speaking for cisco. Just giving you an overview of what are the >proposals at the table in the IDR WG. >Also i'm curious why you asked explicitly about cisco and not telebit. I did not see where Telebit implemented BGP on the 6bone? >Some people believe that interoperability testing on the 6bone is more >valuable than UNH testing. The whole purpose of the 6bone is >interoperability testing. Well they don't know what they are talking about. And the Linux comment is bogus we are working on getting Linux in the next test period at UNH as a University implementation which does not have to pay the fee. Only vendors, research institutes, and consortias are charged. The test suites at UNH test specific features and will cause ill-behavior to see if the implementation does the right thing according to the spec. There are a specific set of tests of the assertions from the specifications for Hosts and Routers. The 6bone is a good test method for parts of IPv6. But we need more than that to test IPv6. >But i'm not sure i understand your message. Do you propose that UNH issues >certifications for ipv6 implementations and that non certified implementations >would not be allowed in the 6bone and/or cairn ? ABSOULETLY NOT. Anyone who would suggest such a thing is a moron. I have no clue how you came up with this one at all. >I fear that such meassure would left off some of the most popular unix >implementations (e.g. Linux) from the 6bone. Also it is not clear how do >you propose to enforce such restriction. I am not so have no response to this. Jim> I would like to see in the RIPE-CC or somewhere a connotation Jim> who has done interoperability testing and who has not. >I'm more confused. RIPE-NCC ftp site has a list of 6bone nodes. You mean the >6bone sites should participate in UNH testing ? Or should the registry have >a list of blessed implementations ? I am saying any implementation on the 6bone by definition has done testing. This is idempotent. In addition have: Participated in Connectathon: YES or NO Participated in UNH Testing : YES or NO That is all. Whether we like it or not the market is watching the 6bone and if you have done the above you have tested your implementation in another very rigorous interoperability environment. Also at least 90% of the implementations have (inluding Cisco) been at UNH, also Netbsd and Freebsd has done this too. So I think its a positive entry in the RIPE to add to the demonstration that the 6bone nodes are serious implementations. Its not a negative thing but a positive thing I propose. Regarding Linux. I did a talk at UNH to the NH Linux Users Group on IPv6 about 7 weeks ago. From that meeting I think we determined we need to get Linux as status quo at the next UNH Test Period. I am working that in my personal time to make that happen (not Digital time). I am doing an IPv6 dinner talk in July for the Boston Linux and Internet SIG Group in July. Again objective is to get Linux in the UNH test loop. Do you get the point now. I care less if you agree but you came up with all these negatives. Or are you just mistrust of me personally and picking a fight with me? If thats the case lets take it off line and I will get into a flame fest with you privately. /jim From kjum@hyuee.hanyang.ac.kr Sat May 17 10:26:52 1997 From: kjum@hyuee.hanyang.ac.kr (Uhm, Ki Jong) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:26:52 +0900 Subject: How to attach to 6bone Message-ID: <337D79DC.DB8@hyuee.hanyang.ac.kr> I'm a student in Hanyang graduate school. I wanna attach my computers to 6bone. OS is Solaris x86 2.5.1, IP address is 166.104.190.251, and IPv6 address is 5F0A:300:A668:BE00::60:9721:56AA. I cannot be sure that my ASN(2563) is correct. Is it so important? And I think that an appropriate attachment point is NRL/US where is the attachment point of KAIST in my country. I have little idea about how to verify if my machine works well in IPv6 enviroment. Thanks. From cmatei@pub.ro Sat May 17 12:00:11 1997 From: cmatei@pub.ro (Matei Conovici) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:00:11 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: linux question Message-ID: Sorry for the slightly off-topic post. I am trying to compile ping for linux with ipv6 and I get IPV6_PKTINFO undefined. Does anyone know what is the right value for this (or where is it found) ? Mail directly to me, not the list. Thanks, --------- Matei CONOVICI, YO3GEK, MC4471, MC151-RIPE cmatei@roedu.net, cmatei@pub.ro, cmatei@edu.ro, cmatei@lbi.ro From bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr Tue May 20 10:33:45 1997 From: bortzmeyer@pasteur.fr (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Tue, 20 May 97 11:33:45 +0200 Subject: linux question In-Reply-To: (Matei Conovici 's message of Sat, 17 May 97 14:00:11 +0300) Message-ID: <199705200933.LAA06026@josephine.sis.pasteur.fr> On Saturday 17 May 97, at 14 h 0, the keyboard of Matei Conovici wrote: > Sorry for the slightly off-topic post. It is completely off-topic. There is a mailing-list for Linux+IPv6 developments, "netdev". Since that code is not stable and rapidly changing, reading this mailing list is, IMHO, mandatory, especially if you plan to compile programs. > I am trying to compile ping for linux with ipv6 and I get > IPV6_PKTINFO undefined. FAQ on the "netdev" list. From pjb27@cam.ac.uk Tue May 20 13:36:50 1997 From: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:36:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: linux question In-Reply-To: <199705200933.LAA06026@josephine.sis.pasteur.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 May 1997, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Saturday 17 May 97, at 14 h 0, the keyboard of Matei Conovici > wrote: > > > Sorry for the slightly off-topic post. > > It is completely off-topic. There is a mailing-list for Linux+IPv6 > developments, "netdev". Since that code is not stable and rapidly > changing, reading this mailing list is, IMHO, mandatory, especially if > you plan to compile programs. With due apologies to (probably the majority of) 6bone readers who aren't interested in Linux, the `netdev' mailing list was created specifically so that the _developers_ would have somewhere to escape from user questions. Read the list by all means, and browse the archives, but you should probably direct your "how do I..." questions to the `linux-net' list instead. Please don't recommend netdev as a general forum for IPv6 help; IPv6 under Linux isn't really rocket science any more, so you don't need to actually be a developer to use it. p. From Matei Conovici Tue May 20 14:01:21 1997 From: Matei Conovici (Matei Conovici) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:01:21 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: New 6bone island Message-ID: Hi! I'm happy to announce a new ipv6 island, 5f0a:3600::0/32, located in Bucharest, Romania, at the roedu.net (Romanian Higher Education Network) NOC. We are currently being tunneled by UUNET/UK. I am waiting a reply from ripe to get access to ipv6/ip6rr, to register ROEDUNET. --------- Matei CONOVICI, YO3GEK, MC4471, MC151-RIPE cmatei@roedu.net, cmatei@pub.ro, cmatei@edu.ro, cmatei@lbi.ro From ciaran@broadcom.ie" Hi, We've just set up a tunnel to CSELT. Currently there are two dual stack machines on our network. One of them is an IPv6 router and I want to set up the other one as the IPv6 DNS server (I don't really want to mess around with our main DNS server!) I would like these two machines to be part of the domain ipv6.broadcom.ie but what I'm wondering is will that break NFS etc. since their current domain is broadcom.ie and they are mounting disks from another server. What is the best way to set this up? Oh yeah, could someone show me an IPv6 reverse lookup file? Sorry for all the questions, but I couldn't find much documentation Thanks, Ciaran -- Ciaran Treanor +353-1-604-6000 ciaran@broadcom.ie Broadcom Eireann Research Ltd. PGP Signature http://www.broadcom.ie/~ct/ on HomePage "If you're playing your records backwards, you ARE Satan"-Bill Hicks From bmanning@ISI.EDU Tue May 20 17:21:58 1997 From: bmanning@ISI.EDU (bmanning@ISI.EDU) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DNS Help In-Reply-To: <01BC653B.3B802160@ciaran@broadcom.ie> from "Ciaran Treanor" at May 20, 97 04:31:11 pm Message-ID: <199705201621.AA29689@zed.isi.edu> > What is the best way to set this up? Oh yeah, could someone > show me an IPv6 reverse lookup file? > > ; ; cselt delegation. 14apr97 Domenico.Mazzei@cselt.it ; 0.0.d.4.6.1.f.5.ip6.int. in ns kenoby.cselt.it. in ns lemon.cselt.it. ; --bill From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 21 18:05:24 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:05:24 -0700 Subject: How to attach to 6bone In-Reply-To: <337D79DC.DB8@hyuee.hanyang.ac.kr> Message-ID: At 2:26 AM -0700 5/17/97, Uhm, Ki Jong wrote: >I'm a student in Hanyang graduate school. > >I wanna attach my computers to 6bone. > >OS is Solaris x86 2.5.1, >IP address is 166.104.190.251, >and IPv6 address is 5F0A:300:A668:BE00::60:9721:56AA. > >I cannot be sure that my ASN(2563) is correct. Is it so important? > >And I think that an appropriate attachment point is NRL/US >where is the attachment point of KAIST in my country. > >I have little idea about how to verify >if my machine works well in IPv6 enviroment. > >Thanks. Has anyone responded to you yet? If not, I will endeavour to do so. Regards, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 21 22:55:19 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:55:19 -0700 Subject: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 19 Message-ID: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 19 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-bblinks.html new BGP4+ links from: NRL/US to CICNET/US NRL/US to CISCO/US Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 21 22:52:55 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:52:55 -0700 Subject: new 6bone diagram - version 74 Message-ID: new 6bone diagram - version 74 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-drawing.html add ROEDUNET/RO to UUNET/UK Welcome to ROEDUNET, the Romanian Higher Education Network in Bucharest, ROMANIA. Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Wed May 21 23:15:33 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:15:33 -0700 Subject: list of 6bone countries Message-ID: The list of countries with sites active in 6bone activities is now up at: http://www.6bone.net/6bone_countries.html It is also accessable via the 6bone home page. Thanks, Bob From jmc%brain@tlrouter.tl.gov.tw Thu May 22 02:50:31 1997 From: jmc%brain@tlrouter.tl.gov.tw (Chi, Min-Chang) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:50:31 +0800 Subject: Finding an attachment point Message-ID: <3383A667.2216@tlrouter.tl.gov.tw> Dear Sir, We want to join the 6bone. Please inform me where is the most appropriate attachment point on the 6bone. My location is Taiwan. Regards, Min-Chang Chi, Chunghwa Telecommunication Lab. From pjb27@cam.ac.uk Thu May 22 17:08:02 1997 From: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:08:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Reverse DNS Message-ID: Hi everybody. There are an awful lot of routers and hosts at large in the 6bone with no apparent reverse DNS mapping. This is a bit of a nuisance, because it makes traceroute dumps that much harder to understand when I'm trying to debug routing problems (of which there still seem to be a few around). When you have a few spare moments, could you make sure that reverse mappings are in place for as many of your sites as practical? As an aside, it looks like about 65 (out of 150) sites are consistently unreachable from here at the moment. That's not as bad as it used to be, but still not too great. You can get the gory details at http://twizzle.trin.cam.ac.uk/ipv6/6bone-stats.html (look for the sites with `never' against them). p. From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 22 18:44:36 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:44:36 -0700 Subject: Finding an attachment point In-Reply-To: <3383A667.2216@tlrouter.tl.gov.tw> Message-ID: At 6:50 PM -0700 5/21/97, Chi, Min-Chang wrote: >Dear Sir, > > We want to join the 6bone. Please inform me where is the most >appropriate attachment point on the 6bone. My location is Taiwan. Gievn there is no 6bone backbone site in Taiwan, you shold most likely use on of the following US sites. ANSNET CICNET DIGITAL-CA NRL Look in the RIPE-NCC routing registry for contact names for them. ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ipv6/ip6rr/ Thanks, Bob From pjb27@cam.ac.uk Thu May 22 20:22:25 1997 From: pjb27@cam.ac.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:22:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: Finding an attachment point In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 May 1997, Bob Fink wrote: > Look in the RIPE-NCC routing registry for contact names for them. > > ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ipv6/ip6rr/ Incidentally, do we have a timescale for moving to the new registry? Sorry if this has been discussed before and I missed it. p. From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 22 21:05:49 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:05:49 -0700 Subject: Finding an attachment point In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 12:22 PM -0700 5/22/97, Philip Blundell wrote: >On Thu, 22 May 1997, Bob Fink wrote: > >> Look in the RIPE-NCC routing registry for contact names for them. >> >> ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ipv6/ip6rr/ > >Incidentally, do we have a timescale for moving to the new registry? >Sorry if this has been discussed before and I missed it. No, not yet. David Kessens is real close but went on vacation and has been quite busy. We will keep the list informed as soon as we know a timeline. Thanks, Bob From jyy@ans.net Thu May 22 21:06:07 1997 From: jyy@ans.net (Jessica Yu) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:06:07 -0400 Subject: Finding an attachment point Message-ID: <199705222006.QAA00463@cannes.aa.ans.net> I'd be very glad to setup a tunnel between ANSNet and Chi's site. I have already sent him the information of my end. --Jessica ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: majordom@ISI.EDU Received: from interlock.ans.net (interlock.ans.net [147.225.5.5]) by cannes.aa.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA00307 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by interlock.ans.net id AA25460 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for jyy@ans.net); Thu, 22 May 1997 15:49:09 -0400 Received: by interlock.ans.net (Internal Mail Agent-4); Thu, 22 May 1997 15:49:09 -0400 Received: by interlock.ans.net (Internal Mail Agent-3); Thu, 22 May 1997 15:49:09 -0400 Received: by interlock.ans.net (Internal Mail Agent-2); Thu, 22 May 1997 15:49:09 -0400 Received: by interlock.ans.net (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 22 May 1997 15:49:09 -0400 X-Sender: rlfink@cnrmail.lbl.gov Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3383A667.2216@tlrouter.tl.gov.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:44:36 -0700 To: jmc%brain@tlrouter.tl.gov.tw, 6bone@ISI.EDU From: Bob Fink Subject: Re: Finding an attachment point Sender: owner-6bone@ISI.EDU Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 455 At 6:50 PM -0700 5/21/97, Chi, Min-Chang wrote: >Dear Sir, > > We want to join the 6bone. Please inform me where is the most >appropriate attachment point on the 6bone. My location is Taiwan. Gievn there is no 6bone backbone site in Taiwan, you shold most likely use on of the following US sites. ANSNET CICNET DIGITAL-CA NRL Look in the RIPE-NCC routing registry for contact names for them. ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ipv6/ip6rr/ Thanks, Bob ------- End of Forwarded Message From ciaran@broadcom.ie" Hello from Ireland. I'd like to announce a new Island - BROADCOM Full information available in ipv6/ip6rr Thanks to CSELT for the tunnel! Looking forward to appearing on the map. -- Ciaran Treanor +353-1-604-6000 ciaran@broadcom.ie Broadcom Eireann Research Ltd. PGP Signature http://www-usru.broadcom.ie/~ct/ on HomePage "If you're playing your records backwards, you ARE Satan"-Bill Hicks From RLFink@lbl.gov Fri May 23 15:09:41 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 07:09:41 -0700 Subject: new 6bone diagram - version 75 Message-ID: new 6bone diagram - version 75 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-drawing.html add BROADCOM/IE to CSELT/IT Welcome to BROADCOM in Dublin, Ireland 27 countries on the 6bone!! http://www.6bone.net/6bone_countries.html Thanks, Bob From ben@tellus.co.uk Fri May 23 21:07:02 1997 From: ben@tellus.co.uk (Ben Crosby) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 21:07:02 +0100 Subject: ATTN: UK SITES ONLY (You've been warned... =)) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970523210702.0090d190@smtp.tellus.co.uk> Hi all, You may well remember that I have a couple of mailing lists running. Thats to say that they were running until my harddisk died. Among other things, I have a new machine, and DAT drive to backup to =), as well as the domain "6bone.org.uk" registered. The two new mailing lists will be; academics@6bone.org.uk (ip6ac list) sites@6bone.org.uk (uk6bone list) Please take a moment to send a message to me on ben@tellus.co.uk and let me know which of the two lists you want to be on, the address you want mail sent to, and a note of wether the address is either V4 or v6. The archives from the list will be available, probably by ftp and over the web. I'll shortly have a publically accessible news server running on news.6bone.org.uk, available via v4 or v6. Those people that want mail forwarding, or any other service under this domain should mail me suggestions. On a slight sidestep, I'll be contacting all the sites I have tunnels with to inform them of changes in routing and addresses at this end. I hope this is the last of any major changes, my apologies for the disruption. Cheers, Ben. From erik-jan.bos@surfnet.nl Mon May 26 10:40:08 1997 From: erik-jan.bos@surfnet.nl (Erik-Jan Bos) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 11:40:08 +0200 Subject: FYI: SURFNET/NL down until tonight Message-ID: <22523.864639608@surfnet.nl> 6boners, our (SURFNET/NL) node Amsterdam9.ipv6.surfnet.nl will be down until tonight for doing a hardware swap. Sorry for any inconvenience this will cause. FYI. __ Erik-Jan. From ben@tellus.co.uk Tue May 27 00:00:26 1997 From: ben@tellus.co.uk (Ben Crosby) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 00:00:26 +0100 Subject: USOT-ECS Network Changes... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970527000026.00934740@smtp.tellus.co.uk> Hi all, Due to a move across capmus, we're having to change nearly all of our ipv6 network. If this doesn't affect you, please excuse the mail. USOT-ECS will be down probably until late Wednesday evening, or early thursday morning,(London time). During this downtime, a new domain name server will be brought online, which will also house the majordomo list server that has been running here. The site prefix is changing from 5f03:1200:984e:4100 to 5f03:1200:984e:7200, and the gateway endpoint address will also be changing. We'll be contacting our tunnel sites directly over the next day or two. The updated ripe record will be in place later today. Many thanks, Ben. From Alain.Durand@imag.fr Wed May 28 12:57:53 1997 From: Alain.Durand@imag.fr (Alain Durand) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:57:53 +0200 Subject: (IPng 3717) Re: proposal for RFC-1897 update In-Reply-To: Bob Hinden "(IPng 3717) Re: proposal for RFC-1897 update" (May 27, 2:40pm) References: <3.0.1.32.19970527144011.0077b118@mailhost.ipsilon.com> Message-ID: <970528135753.ZM2552@rama.imag.fr> On May 27, 4:38pm, Frank T Solensky wrote: > Subject: (IPng 3714) proposal for RFC-1897 update > Folks -- > In order to support a 64-bit End System Designator, we'll have to > modify the way that we're generating IPv6 test addresses. We also want to > renumber the addresses on the 6bone soon so that we can realize better route > aggregation on the nodes which are providing the backbone service to the rest > of the net. > The address format I'd like to propose is the following: > > 5FFC:vvvv:nnnn:nnnn:eeee:eeee:eeee:eeee > > "5f": from RFC-1897, > "fc": Guidelines for Creation of an AS (RFC-1930) states that AS numbers > 0xFC00-0xFFFF are reserved, so we can avoid colliding with addresses > generated by RFC-1897 by using a value out of the reserved space. > The values 'fd'-'ff' can be used for a future IPv6 address generation > procedure we may need to use in the future without falling out of the > '5f' address space. > vvvv: 16-bit virtual AS number. The sites that are acting as IPv6 ISPs > would be assigned a constant value, nodes connecting though the ISP > would use the same virtual AS number as the IPv6 ISP instead of the > AS number used for IPv4 connectivity. Should a site become dual- > connected relative to the 6-backbone, it would then have addresses > under both virtual AS number. > nnnn:nnnn: 32-bit IPv4 network number. The site's left-justified IPv4 > (sub)network number, allows networks smaller than /24 to define their > IPv6 address. > eeee:eeee:eeee:eeee: 64-bit End System Designator. On May 27, 2:40pm, Bob Hinden wrote: > Subject: (IPng 3717) Re: proposal for RFC-1897 update > Frank, > > I just submitted a new version of "IPv6 Testing Address Allocation" which > allows test address to be formed based on the new aggregatable address > formats and 64bit identifiers. If the 6bone folks wish to do something > more short term, your proposal looks fine to me. I've just read Bob proposal (draft-ietf-ipngwg-test-addr-alloc-01.txt). Sounds like a very good start to me for the new addressing plan of the 6-bone. If our registry can allocate NLAs (possibly to core 6bone sites), I think we can move very quickly to this new addressing plan. - Alain. From davidk@isi.edu Thu May 29 00:32:10 1997 From: davidk@isi.edu (davidk@isi.edu) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (IPng 3717) Re: proposal for RFC-1897 update In-Reply-To: <970528135753.ZM2552@rama.imag.fr> from "Alain Durand" at May 28, 97 01:57:53 pm Message-ID: <9705282332.AA04611@brind.isi.edu> Alain, Alain Durand writes: > > I've just read Bob proposal (draft-ietf-ipngwg-test-addr-alloc-01.txt). > Sounds like a very good start to me for the new addressing plan of the 6-bone. > If our registry can allocate NLAs (possibly to core 6bone sites), I think > we can move very quickly to this new addressing plan. Our new registry can do this without any modification (check out 'whois -h brind.isi.edu -t inet6num)', however we first need to figure out a policy on who's getting (sub) NLAs, who's getting SLAs and how big the (sub) NLAs will be. David K. --- Example (abbreviated) objects: The 'mnt-by' attribute controls modification of the object itself, the 'mnt-lower' attribute controls *creation* of any new object directly below itself in the address space tree and can thus be used to build a delegation tree. inet6num: 0::0/0 mnt-by: IANA mnt-lower: IANA inet6num: 3FFE::0/16 mnt-by: BobFink mnt-lower: BobFink inet6num: 3FFE:XXXX:YYYY::0/48 mnt-by: BackBoneAdmin mnt-lower: BackBoneAdmin inet6num: 3FFE:XXXX:YYYY:ZZZZ::0/64 mnt-by: SiteConnectedToBackBoneAdmin mnt-lower: SiteConnectedToBackBoneAdmin --- From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 29 01:11:40 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:11:40 -0700 Subject: new web pages for 6bone Message-ID: I've added two new items to our web pages. On the tools page: http://www.6bone.net/6bone_tools.html I've added Stephane Bortzmeyer's tool for traceroute from the Pasteur Institute. Also have created a new page for other IPv6 web sites: http://www.6bone.net/6bone_other-sites.html The first page pointed to is the Lancaster Univ. IPv6 home page. If you want other things added, please send them to me. PLEASE NOTE I'M ABOUT TO LEAVE FOR VACATION (WILL BE GONE MAY 31 THRU JUNE 23) AND THUS WILL NOT HANDLE ANYTHING RECEIVED AFTER 10AM MY TIME FRIDAY THE 30TH OF MAY. Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 29 15:55:25 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:55:25 -0700 Subject: new IPv6 web pages added to 6bone pages Message-ID: I've added ipng.net and ticl.co.uk IPv6 web page pointers to the other IPv6 web page. http://www.6bone.net/6bone_other-sites.html Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 29 21:54:53 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:54:53 -0700 Subject: new 6bone diagram - version 76 Message-ID: new 6bone diagram - version 76 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-drawing.html add UNI-GOETTINGEN-MRZ/DE to JOIN/DE Welcome to the Medical Informatics group, Univ. of Goettingen, Goettingen, Germany Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu May 29 22:04:11 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:04:11 -0700 Subject: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 20 Message-ID: new 6bone backbone links diagram - version 20 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-bblinks.html change static links to RIPng for CSELT/IT to ESNET/US, G6/FR, and SICS/SE new RIPng link from CSELT/IT to ISI-LAP/US and TELEBIT/DK Only two static links left in the backbone! Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Fri May 30 01:57:32 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:57:32 -0700 Subject: new RIPE-style routing registry conversion Message-ID: David Kessens is getting ready to move the FTP-sytle RR (routing registry) from RIPE-NCC to ISI. As I will be on vacation from now until 24 June, it will be in David's hands to notify the list and of course to carry out the conversion (I'm of little help on this part anyway :-). So please address all queries on this to David at: davidk@ISI.EDU (David Kessens) I'm sure he will put something on the 6bone mail list real soon now. Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Fri May 30 01:53:24 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:53:24 -0700 Subject: new (and final till 24 June) 6bone diagram - version 77 Message-ID: new (and final till 24 June) 6bone diagram - version 77 http://www.6bone.net/6bone-drawing.html move ASCI/US from CISCO to NRL/US add TORRENT/US to NRL/US Welcome to Torrent Networking Technologies Corp. Landover, Maryland USA ALSO, PLEASE NOTE I'M ON VACATION FROM NOW TILL 24 JUNE, SO NO EMAIL OR DIAGRAM CHANGES TILL 24 JUNE...SAVE THEM UP :-) Thanks, Bob From RLFink@lbl.gov Fri May 30 16:01:06 1997 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:01:06 -0700 Subject: DRAFT 6bone [AGGR] [TEST] usage Message-ID: 6bone Folk, ================================================================================ NOTE: The following is being put out a little prematurely as I'm leaving on vacation as I write this (31 May thru 23 Jun) and won't be able to even see the responses till 24 June. Nonetheless, I felt that it was important to not have everyone wondering what we do next on the 6bone with the new [AGGR] and [TEST] drafts that have just come out... so here is something for your comment!. I'll ask Bob Hinden to moderate this (if he is so willing) given he is the principal author of both [AGGR] and [TEST]. Have a good time... I will :-) ================================================================================ Now that the new IPv6 Aggregatable Unicast Address Format [AGGR] is published, ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipngwg-unicast-aggr-00.txt and the new Testing Address Allocation Internet Draft [TEST] is available, ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipngwg-testv2-addralloc-00.txt it is time for some planning on how to use them appropriately for the 6bone. I approach this with the overarching goal of having the 6bone do as much as possible to advance IPv6, and that at this moment this means testing the new [AGGR] addressing format using [TEST] and the related notions of site renumbering. The address format in [TEST] assigns a TLA to the 6bone (0x1FFE which looks like 0x3FFE when the Format Prefix 001 is included) to be used to emulate an addressing hierarchy similar to what might occur in real production use. I would propose that we use the NLA* field as shown below: |3| 13 | 8 | 24 | 16 | 64 bits | +-+---------+-----+-------------+--------+-----------------+ | 0x3FFE |NLA1 | NLA2 | SLA* | Interface ID | +-+---------+-----+-------------+--------+-----------------+ NLA1 would be our TLA equivalent, that is, up to 256 Backbone sites acting as our version of TLAs. I doubt that we would have more than 256 backbone sites, but if we got close to that we could practice our implementation of TLA assignment requirements (see [AGGR]). NLA2 would be assigned by the NLA1 authorities as they wish, but with a recommended downward delegation structure based on [AGGR]. The following is extracted from [AGGR], and modified for NLA level. | n | 24-n bits | 16 | 64 bits | +-----+--------------------+--------+-----------------+ |NLA2 | Site | SLA* | Interface ID | +-----+--------------------+--------+-----------------+ | m | 24-n-m | 16 | 64 bits | +-----+--------------+--------+-----------------+ |NLA3 | Site | SLA* | Interface ID | +-----+--------------+--------+-----------------+ | o |24-n-m-o| 16 | 64 bits | +-----+--------+--------+-----------------+ |NLA4 | Site | SLA* | Interface ID | +-----+--------+--------+-----------------+ The NLA delegation works in the same manner as CIDR delegation in IPv4 [CIDR]. NLA1s are required to assume registry duties for the NLAs below them, NLA2s for those below them, etc. At this time I would propose a nominal usage for our current 6bone topology that only has one level below a backbone site that looks like: | 8 | 16 bits | 16 | 64 bits | +-----+--------------------+--------+-----------------+ |NLA2 | Site | SLA* | Interface ID | +-----+--------------------+--------+-----------------+ Then the transit (intermediate backbone) site would sequentially assign Site IDs, or use ASN numbers as long as they are unique in the NLA. If there was no transit site between the backbone and leaf site, then the NLA2 field would be set to zeros. As an example of this, assuming a backbone NLA1 of 0x01 for our first backbone site, no transit thus an NLA2 of 0x00, and a sequential site ID (with start at the right edge numbering) of 0x0001, the routing prefix for the first site would look like: 3FFE:0100:0001/48 6bone _|||| |||| ||||__site |||| b/b site____|||| || transit_______|| Another example of this, assuming the same backbone NLA1 of 0x01 and a transit site under it (with start at the left edge numbering) with an NLA2 of 0x80, and a sequential site ID of 0x0001, the routing prefix for the first site would look like: 3FFE:0180:0001/48 6bone _|||| |||| ||||__site |||| b/b site____|||| || transit_______|| Note 1: the two sites numbered 0x0001 in the above examples are really two different sites as their NLA2 authority above them is different. Note 2: there would be nothing to prevent an NLA2 transit site from further allocating NLA3s below, but that becomes the policy of it and the NLA1 above them to work out (as the width of the NLA2 field needs to be clear if this is done). I would propose assigning NLA1 code points to all existing 6bone backbone sites, then backbone sites would assign leaf and transit site codes as these sites apply for them. The first group to request them would presumably be the existing transit and leaf sites under them. Address Registries Every NLA must keep a registry of the assignments that it has made in a form that is web viewable (I will suggest a format for this later). In addition, NLAs must provide downward web pointers to the NLAs below them. Only leaf sites need not provide a registry (their DNS will suffice). [David Kessens can help automate a registry with his RIPE-style RR db at ISI, but I don't want to try to arbitrate that myself at this time. Maybe David can discuss this more on the list.] Transition from the existing RFC 1897 test address space to the new AGGR format Obviously a transition from the RFC 1897 test addresses to the new [TEST] format has to be worked out. One problem is that it will be a slow process to get all the implementations modified to support [AGGR], which in particular means support for EUI-64. So, if we don't want to have a modified [AGGR] that supports the existing 48-bit form of usage, we can't move to [AGGR] till EUI-64 is implemented. This means we will need to route between the two forms of addresses in a transition mode, which shouldn't really be hard as the routing is really done on prefixes with specified lengths. Therefore, I believe we leave the 6bone current addressing as is, don't allow new RFC 1897 form addresses, assign NLA1s to the current backbone sites, and assume these backbone sites will know how to handle being addressed with two IPv6 address forms (RFC 1897 and [AGGR]). Multihoming I would suggest that for now we not have multihomed sites. We could later figure out how to try out exchanges and then do multihomed in that context. Sites that want to multihome now would get multiple prefixes. FINAL NOTE: I realize some of the above (hopefully not all) may be half baked...for that I apologize. Let's start discussing how to move the 6bone into [AGGR] using [TEST] in the spirit of the grandly cooperative project we have all been co-participating in... it's been fun so far (at least for me), so let's keep the cooperative, friendly, exciting spirit of the 6bone going! Regards, Bob -end From hinden@ipsilon.com Fri May 30 16:47:34 1997 From: hinden@ipsilon.com (Bob Hinden) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:47:34 -0700 Subject: DRAFT 6bone [AGGR] [TEST] usage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970530084734.00b76970@mailhost.ipsilon.com> Bob, >I'll ask Bob Hinden to moderate this (if he is so willing) given he is the >principal author of both [AGGR] and [TEST]. I will do my best. >Have a good time... I will :-) >=========================================================================== === Have a great vacation! Bob