From brian@dxcoms.cern.ch Mon Apr 1 11:14:11 1996 From: brian@dxcoms.cern.ch (Brian Carpenter CERN-CN) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:14:11 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Draft of "what is the 6bone" In-Reply-To: <9603310411.AA15292@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> from "bound@zk3.dec.com" at Mar 30, 96 11:11:58 pm Message-ID: <9604011114.AA31682@dxcoms.cern.ch> Two comments > The 6BONE is an outgrowth of the IETF IPng project that resulted in the > creation of the IPv6 protocols that will eventually replace the current > Internet network layer protocols known as IPv4. To avoid flame wars, I would slightly rewrite this sentence: The 6BONE is an independent outgrowth of the IETF IPng project that resulted in the creation of the IPv6 protocols intended eventually to replace the current Internet network layer protocols known as IPv4. (Reasons: 1. remove a possible implication that this is an IETF activity 2. remove assertion that v6 *will* replace v4) The rest is just fine, but it leaves open the question "Who is the 6BONE?" We could add The 6BONE is currently an informal collaborative project covering North America, Europe and Japan. (Incidentally, Jun, maybe you should contact the guys at KEK?) Brian From bound@zk3.dec.com Tue Apr 2 17:33:38 1996 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 12:33:38 -0500 Subject: Draft of "what is the 6bone" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Apr 96 13:14:11 +0200." <9604011114.AA31682@dxcoms.cern.ch> Message-ID: <9604021733.AA24464@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> Brian, >Two comments >> The 6BONE is an outgrowth of the IETF IPng project that resulted in the >> creation of the IPv6 protocols that will eventually replace the current >> Internet network layer protocols known as IPv4. > >To avoid flame wars, I would slightly rewrite this sentence: > The 6BONE is an independent outgrowth of the IETF IPng project that > resulted in the creation of the IPv6 protocols intended eventually to > replace the current Internet network layer protocols known as IPv4. >(Reasons: 1. remove a possible implication that this is an IETF activity > 2. remove assertion that v6 *will* replace v4) I agree. >The rest is just fine, but it leaves open the question "Who is >the 6BONE?" We could add > > The 6BONE is currently an informal collaborative project > covering North America, Europe and Japan. I like this too. >(Incidentally, Jun, maybe you should contact the guys at KEK?) What is KEK? thanks, /jim From bound@zk3.dec.com Tue Apr 2 17:39:03 1996 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 12:39:03 -0500 Subject: Updated Text for the 6bone What is It? Message-ID: <9604021739.AA19064@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> I added Brian's comments and made 6bone use small caps to go with our strategy of demphasis on the name... If all are OK with this we can declare victory and move forward... /jim What is the 6bone? The 6bone is an independent outgrowth of the IETF IPng project that resulted in the creation of the IPv6 protocols intended eventually to replace the current Internet network layer protocols known as IPv4. The 6bone is currently an informal collaborative project covering North America, Europe, and Japan. One essential part in the IPv4 to IPv6 transition is the development of an Internet-wide IPv6 backbone infrastructure that can transport IPv6 packets. As with the existing IPv4 Internet backbone, the IPv6 backbone infrastructure will be composed of many Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and user networks linked together to provide the world-wide Internet. Until the IPv6 protocols are widely implemented and fully tested for interoperability, production ISP and user network routers will not readily place production Internet (IPv4) routers at risk. Thus a way is needed to provide Internet-wide IPv6 transport in an organized and orderly way for early testing and early use. The 6bone is a virtual network layered on top of portions of the physical IPv4-based Internet to support routing of IPv6 packets, as that function has not yet been integrated into many production routers. The network is composed of islands that can directly support IPv6 packets, linked by virtual point-to-point links called "tunnels". The tunnel endpoints are typically workstation-class machines having operating system support for IPv6. Over time, as confidence builds to allow production routers to carry native IPv6 packets, it is expected that the 6bone would disappear by agreement of all parties. It would be replaced in a transparent way by production ISP and user network IPv6 Internet-wide transport. The 6bone is thus focused on providing the early policy and procedures necessary to provide IPv6 transport in a reasonable fashion so testing and experience can be carried out. It would not attempt to provide new network interconnect architectures, procedures and policies that are clearly the purview of ISP and user network operators. In fact, it is the desire to include as many ISP and user network operators in the 6bone process as possible to guarantee a seamless transition to IPv6. From bound@zk3.dec.com Tue Apr 2 18:32:36 1996 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 13:32:36 -0500 Subject: Message to Engage RENATER in France Message-ID: <9604021832.AA27645@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: bound Received: from localhost by fwasted.zk3.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/18Feb95-1123AM) id AA25589; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:57:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9604021757.AA25589@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> To: prevost@sphinx.cea.fr Cc: brian@dxcoms.cern.ch, bound@zk3.dec.com Subject: IPv6 Test Network 6bone Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 12:57:33 -0500 From: bound X-Mts: smtp Hi Jaques, My name is Jim Bound and I am working with an informal group of IETF colleagues to define and set up a world-wide test network for IPv6. Brian Carpenter from CERN gave me your name as one who may be interested in this work. My day job is at Digital Equipment Corporation in the U.S. where I am the IPv6 Technical Director. We have initial participants from multiple vendors, universities, research, and network operators across North America, Europe, and Japan. I have attached our DRAFT charter of "What is the 6bone". Its critical we have European participation for this effort. Brian has shared with me what RENATER is and it appears to be a good place to add IPv6 nodes as part of the 6bone. We also need leadership support to integrate 6bone across Europe. Are you interested in participating in this effort? If so we could add you to our 6bone mailing list as we develop the details of 6bone, as a first step? thanks, /jim - ------------------------------------------------- What is the 6bone? The 6bone is an independent outgrowth of the IETF IPng project that resulted in the creation of the IPv6 protocols intended eventually to replace the current Internet network layer protocols known as IPv4. The 6bone is currently an informal collaborative project covering North America, Europe, and Japan. One essential part in the IPv4 to IPv6 transition is the development of an Internet-wide IPv6 backbone infrastructure that can transport IPv6 packets. As with the existing IPv4 Internet backbone, the IPv6 backbone infrastructure will be composed of many Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and user networks linked together to provide the world-wide Internet. Until the IPv6 protocols are widely implemented and fully tested for interoperability, production ISP and user network routers will not readily place production Internet (IPv4) routers at risk. Thus a way is needed to provide Internet-wide IPv6 transport in an organized and orderly way for early testing and early use. The 6bone is a virtual network layered on top of portions of the physical IPv4-based Internet to support routing of IPv6 packets, as that function has not yet been integrated into many production routers. The network is composed of islands that can directly support IPv6 packets, linked by virtual point-to-point links called "tunnels". The tunnel endpoints are typically workstation-class machines having operating system support for IPv6. Over time, as confidence builds to allow production routers to carry native IPv6 packets, it is expected that the 6bone would disappear by agreement of all parties. It would be replaced in a transparent way by production ISP and user network IPv6 Internet-wide transport. The 6bone is thus focused on providing the early policy and procedures necessary to provide IPv6 transport in a reasonable fashion so testing and experience can be carried out. It would not attempt to provide new network interconnect architectures, procedures and policies that are clearly the purview of ISP and user network operators. In fact, it is the desire to include as many ISP and user network operators in the 6bone process as possible to guarantee a seamless transition to IPv6. ------- End of Forwarded Message From bound@zk3.dec.com Tue Apr 2 18:35:15 1996 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 13:35:15 -0500 Subject: Message to Engage Denmark Message-ID: <9604021835.AA14368@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: bound Received: from localhost by fwasted.zk3.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/18Feb95-1123AM) id AA28048; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:07:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9604021807.AA28048@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> To: Ole.Carsten.Pedersen@uni-c.dk Cc: brian@dxcoms.cern.ch, bound@zk3.dec.com Subject: IPv6 Test Network 6bone Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 13:07:37 -0500 From: bound X-Mts: smtp Hi Ole, My name is Jim Bound and I am working with an informal group of IETF colleagues to define and set up a world-wide test network for IPv6. Brian Carpenter from CERN gave me your name as one who may be interested in this work. My day job is at Digital Equipment Corporation in the U.S. where I am the IPv6 Technical Director. We have initial participants from multiple vendors, universities, research, and network operators across North America, Europe, and Japan. I have attached our DRAFT charter of "What is the 6bone". Its critical we have European participation for this effort. Brian has shared with me your work at the University Computing Centre in Dennark. Are you interested in participating in this effort? If so we could add you to our 6bone mailing list as we develop the details of 6bone, as a first step? thanks, /jim - ------------------------------------------------- What is the 6bone? The 6bone is an independent outgrowth of the IETF IPng project that resulted in the creation of the IPv6 protocols intended eventually to replace the current Internet network layer protocols known as IPv4. The 6bone is currently an informal collaborative project covering North America, Europe, and Japan. One essential part in the IPv4 to IPv6 transition is the development of an Internet-wide IPv6 backbone infrastructure that can transport IPv6 packets. As with the existing IPv4 Internet backbone, the IPv6 backbone infrastructure will be composed of many Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and user networks linked together to provide the world-wide Internet. Until the IPv6 protocols are widely implemented and fully tested for interoperability, production ISP and user network routers will not readily place production Internet (IPv4) routers at risk. Thus a way is needed to provide Internet-wide IPv6 transport in an organized and orderly way for early testing and early use. The 6bone is a virtual network layered on top of portions of the physical IPv4-based Internet to support routing of IPv6 packets, as that function has not yet been integrated into many production routers. The network is composed of islands that can directly support IPv6 packets, linked by virtual point-to-point links called "tunnels". The tunnel endpoints are typically workstation-class machines having operating system support for IPv6. Over time, as confidence builds to allow production routers to carry native IPv6 packets, it is expected that the 6bone would disappear by agreement of all parties. It would be replaced in a transparent way by production ISP and user network IPv6 Internet-wide transport. The 6bone is thus focused on providing the early policy and procedures necessary to provide IPv6 transport in a reasonable fashion so testing and experience can be carried out. It would not attempt to provide new network interconnect architectures, procedures and policies that are clearly the purview of ISP and user network operators. In fact, it is the desire to include as many ISP and user network operators in the 6bone process as possible to guarantee a seamless transition to IPv6. ------- End of Forwarded Message From bound@zk3.dec.com Tue Apr 2 19:05:19 1996 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 14:05:19 -0500 Subject: IPv6 Across Europe starting in ScottLand Message-ID: <9604021905.AA01159@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> I will help Alex (below) with the proposal. I will make sure our 6bone charter and other parts are in the proposal. OK we have a proposal via Jun Murai in Asia and several potentials in Europe. What about the U.S? How do we get this started? Do we need to request money for ISI or Lawerence at Berkeley? ???? How do we do that? How about if we send mail to V.P. Al Gore and Senator Patrick Lehaey? I am not kidding????????????? Mike Carlton? Whats the word at ISI??????????? Is it time to tell the implementors list about us yet? We need a list of implementations people can use to get started? /jim ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: daemon Received: from galpha.zk3.dec.com by fwasted.zk3.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/18Feb95-1123AM) id AA20885; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:38:56 -0500 Received: from mail11.digital.com by falpha.zk3.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/20May95-1022AM) id AA15059; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:38:46 -0500 Received: from oberon.wintermute.co.uk by mail11.digital.com (5.65v3.2/1.0/WV) id AA00520; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:26:13 -0500 Received: from puck.wintermute.co.uk (puck.wintermute.co.uk [193.133.228.9]) by oberon.wintermute.co.uk (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA10794 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:30:22 +0100 Message-Id: <31615283.3F14@wintermute.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 16:14:59 +0000 From: Alex Clark Organization: Wintermute Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0GoldB1 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: bound@zk3.dec.com Subject: IPv6 X-Url: http://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html/ipng-implementations.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been asked to put forward a proposal to utilise a new network to develop an internet for a primarily business market. It will initially be city based (probably Aberdeen, Scotland) but within months be connected to other new networks and it is hoped will be Europe wide by the end of the year. Funding for this network will be partly coming from national and European government. For reasons of their own they do not wish the network to utilise the existing Internet (except through the occasional controlled gateway). When deciding for a protocol for this network it really needs to be IP based as it has proved itself over the past 25 years to be scalable and reliable. I have suggested that this network would be an ideal opportunity to run a fully compliant IPv6 network. This way we have all the facilities that business would like to utilise such as security and service level (bandwidth) guarantees & allocation are made available. Also we feel it would be of great interest to software and hardware developers of this new protocol to have a real life testbed for their new products. This is the reason for this e-mail. Would you be interested, in principle, to supporting such a venture? Before I send the proposal it would be good to get an indication of the interest from Internet businesses to support an International IPv6 network. An indication of the products you will have avaiable for distribution or test would be useful as well as an indication of how you think you may be able to help. Thankyou for your time, Alex Clark - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Clark alex@wintermute.co.uk Business Manager http://www.wintermute.co.uk Wintermute Ltd Tel: 01224 595111 18 Bridge Street, Aberdeen. AB1 1RX Fax: 01224 595333 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- End of Forwarded Message From carlton@ISI.EDU Tue Apr 2 23:16:02 1996 From: carlton@ISI.EDU (Mike Carlton) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 15:16:02 PST Subject: 6bone at ISI In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 02 Apr 1996 14:05:19 -0500. <9604021905.AA01159@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> Message-ID: <199604022316.AA05728@darkstar.isi.edu> In another message, Jim Bound asks: > What about the U.S? How do we get this started? Do we need to > request money for ISI or Lawerence at Berkeley? ???? How do we do > that? > > How about if we send mail to V.P. Al Gore and Senator Patrick Lehaey? I am > not kidding????????????? > > Mike Carlton? Whats the word at ISI??????????? I've spoken with Jon Postel and he is willing to have ISI manage (or whatever the right term is) the US portion of the 6bone. For now, I'm willing (and able) to take on the role here, but as the 6bone becomes more widespread (and the time required goes up) we will need to check into obtaining funding and explicitly allocating someone to support the network. I've spoken with Steve Casner about his experience with the Mbone and he indicated that it required a fair amount of effort as it grew. On a different note, new or interested subscribers to the 6bone list are sent a short blurb describing the list. Currently it reads: The 6bone list is for the discussion of the development of the initial IPv6 network. Before widely advertising the list, we probably want to update that. Maybe we can abstract the charter documents? cheers, --mike From bound@zk3.dec.com Mon Apr 8 02:23:27 1996 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 96 21:23:27 -0400 Subject: 6bone at ISI In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Apr 96 15:16:02 PST." <199604022316.AA05728@darkstar.isi.edu> Message-ID: <9604080123.AA05032@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> Mike, >In another message, Jim Bound asks: > >> What about the U.S? How do we get this started? Do we need to >> request money for ISI or Lawerence at Berkeley? ???? How do we do >> that? >> >> How about if we send mail to V.P. Al Gore and Senator Patrick Lehaey? I am >> not kidding????????????? >> >> Mike Carlton? Whats the word at ISI??????????? > >I've spoken with Jon Postel and he is willing to have ISI manage >(or whatever the right term is) the US portion of the 6bone. Great. Jon should be added to this list now I think. If he is not on already. >For now, I'm willing (and able) to take on the role here, but as the >6bone becomes more widespread (and the time required goes up) we will >need to check into obtaining funding and explicitly allocating someone >to support the network. I've spoken with Steve Casner about his >experience with the Mbone and he indicated that it required a fair >amount of effort as it grew. True. I am nervous just to think about the mail to begin. >On a different note, new or interested subscribers to the 6bone list are >sent a short blurb describing the list. Currently it reads: > The 6bone list is for the discussion of the development of the > initial IPv6 network. >Before widely advertising the list, we probably want to update that. >Maybe we can abstract the charter documents? We need to determine what else we need besides our present charter document???? What do you and others think we need before we announce it???? thanks, /jim From RLFink@lbl.gov Thu Apr 11 15:17:38 1996 From: RLFink@lbl.gov (Bob Fink LBNL) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:17:38 -0700 Subject: 6BONE web site Message-ID: Jim, If still no volunteers, I'll host a 6BONE web site. If you want me to do this, do you (or anyone else) have an idea of what you want on it to start? Bob From bound@zk3.dec.com Sat Apr 13 02:09:51 1996 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 21:09:51 -0400 Subject: 6BONE web site In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Apr 96 07:17:38 PDT." Message-ID: <9604130109.AA18319@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> Bob, >If still no volunteers, I'll host a 6BONE web site. This would be really great. >If you want me to do this, do you (or anyone else) have an idea of what you >want on it to start? I think the charter and a note we are adding to our list now. And how to join the mail list. I would have a pointer to the IPng WWW implementation page as that is the starting point for tunnels anyway. THen possibly our to-do list we made up initially? Do others have ideas for Bob? p.s. Mike are you ready to start taking subscribers? We can use the charter as the announcement message when they subscribe? thanks /jim From bound@zk3.dec.com Fri Apr 19 20:23:31 1996 From: bound@zk3.dec.com (bound@zk3.dec.com) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 15:23:31 -0400 Subject: 6bone WWW Page Pointer Message-ID: <9604191923.AA05214@fwasted.zk3.dec.com> FYI... See the charter, requirements, mission, etc... at http://www-6bone.lbl.gov/6bone/ /jim From mclay@weareb.org Wed Apr 24 15:11:10 1996 From: mclay@weareb.org (Michael Clay) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Question about sites Message-ID: <199604241411.JAA04771@locutus.weareb.org> Hello, I was wondering if any portion of the 6bone has been set up yet, and if so, if someone could give me a list of sites to which I could tunnel for the purpose of testing ping6 and similar low-level functionality. I looked at the 6bone web page, but no indication was given as to whether or not any sort of network yet exists. Please excuse me if this info exists in a FAQ. Regards, Mike Clay -- ------------------+----------------------------------------------------------- Michael Clay | "Maybe you should call the Internet and talk to their mclay@weareb.org | tech support people." -- AOL Customer Service ------------------+----------------------------------------------------------- From Francis.Dupont@inria.fr Wed Apr 24 20:39:42 1996 From: Francis.Dupont@inria.fr (Francis Dupont) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:39:42 +0200 Subject: Question about sites In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:11:10 CDT. <199604241411.JAA04771@locutus.weareb.org> Message-ID: <199604241939.VAA11351@givry.inria.fr> In your previous mail you wrote: I was wondering if any portion of the 6bone has been set up yet, and if so, if someone could give me a list of sites to which I could tunnel for the purpose of testing ping6 and similar low-level functionality. => I know the G6 (:-) in France and the DFN testbed in Germany. I'll send to you the URL of the G6 if I can find in time the last pages... The domain of the main G6 testbed is ipv6.imag.fr and the contact is Alain.Durand@imag.fr. I looked at the 6bone web page, but no indication was given as to whether or not any sort of network yet exists. => I was until this evening in Berlin for the 24th RIPE meeting. The IPv6 WG has proposed to coordinate the 6bone activities in the RIPE area (ie more than Europe). Please excuse me if this info exists in a FAQ. => I have not seen this point (FAQ) in the action list of the 6 bone. It *should* be added! Francis.Dupont@inria.fr PS: if you don't know RIPE, it is a coordination of IP operators, users, ... in the large Europe (cf RFC 1181). The IPv6 WG is supposed to coordinate tests and to provide feedback to operators and users (and do more when IPv6 will be deployed). From unigrd@unidhp1.uni-c.dk Tue Apr 30 10:04:46 1996 From: unigrd@unidhp1.uni-c.dk (Gudrun R. Dalgeir) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:04:46 +0200 (METDST) Subject: UNI-C partipation Message-ID: UNI-C, the Danish Computing Center for Education and Research, has currently got five TBC2000 routers from the Danish company Telebit install running IPv6 over the national wide ATM backbone, DENET, linking the major universities. Later this year the IPv6 topology will be expanded with one more router. UNI-C is responsible for testing the equipment from Telebit, to ensure that the IPv6 protocols are correctly implemented and that the Telebit routers can operate in a hetrogenious IPv6 network. Currently we also have a SUN-station running IPv6 set up. On this background we would very much like to join the 6bone project. Contact person at UNI-C for IPng and 6bone activities is ---------------- oo000oo ---------------------------------- Gudrun Dalgeir phone : (+) 45 35878532 UNI-C fax : (+) 45 35878890 Vermundsgade 5 e-mail : Gudrun.Dalgeir@uni-c.dk DK-2100 Kbh. 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